Illusion of Terrorism

Jiro · 08-01-2008, 12:31 PM

Pinky brought up an interesting point to me about the terrorism. She expressed her concern about terrorism in USA and what she had heard/seen. This sparkles an interest to me because millions of Americans have exactly same concern as Pinky so I want to talk about this.

The Illusion of Terrorism.... You have seen on many front pages and news with Global Incident Map. Government changed its legal definition of terrorism and will charge anybody with terrorism for even something silly like bomb threat at school.

Take a look at the map below:

Does this scare me? shock me? My answer is - not at all. not a single concern. I'm more concerned about crazy people or psycho around me than terrorists because terrorism attacks in USA is pretty rare compared to other countries especially Asia and Middle East. Look at Israel. I can't imagine living in there with constant threat where there could be a suicide bomber in middle of busy market street. We don't have that in NYC or any other major cities. USA government especially Republicans have a long history of playing fear in public because Republicans = Corporations especially war companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman, etc = profitable.

so..... what's your say?

Bottesini · 08-01-2008, 12:42 PM

A terrorist attack can take out many more people than the one psycho in your neighborhood.

I was so shocked at 9/11. It was like living through Pearl Harbor except it was the mainland.

And Omaha has SAC so I thought they would blow it up too and I would die from nuclear fallout.

I am very frightened of terrorist attacks happening again.

jillio · 08-01-2008, 01:41 PM

I agree with you jiro. There are many more situations that pose a direct threat to the American citizen than an outside terrorist attack. We need to be aware of the possibility, but we also need to keep it in perspective, and not live our lives based on a very rare occurrance.

shel90 · 08-01-2008, 02:01 PM

As someone who lives in the Metro DC area, I am pretty concerned about terrorist attacks. I was in DC when 9/11 happened so that really impacted me deeply cuz I was so close to the Pentagon and the 4th plane was targeted to hit either the White House or the Capitol Building. Maybe cuz I was there when it happened and witnessed the skyline turn black from the jet fuel at the Pentagon, it is more of a personal issue with me.

PuyoPiyo · 08-01-2008, 02:09 PM

And why didn't we do something?

jillio · 08-01-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

As someone who lives in the Metro DC area, I am pretty concerned about terrorist attacks. I was in DC when 9/11 happened so that really impacted me deeply cuz I was so close to the Pentagon and the 4th plane was targeted to hit either the White House or the Capitol Building. Maybe cuz I was there when it happened and witnessed the skyline turn black from the jet fuel at the Pentagon, it is more of a personal issue with me.

The closer you were to the actual site, the more profound the impact on you. That is perfectly understandable. The closer you are to a disaster, the more it affects you.

Babyface · 08-01-2008, 02:42 PM

imma terrorist against ignorant hearies rawr...... but yeah jiros right in alot of aspect however my only stance is any terrorism is if in fact it is terrorism not the irag war terrorist stuff but reall terrorism then yeah it doesnt matter where it come from its all bad

Byrdie714 · 08-01-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

so..... what's your say?

Interesting and yet I noticed that your map just consists of Middle Eastern terrorist groups which is informative.

But also wrong.

Wrong in the sense of American terrorist groups. Afterall, have we forgotten Timothy McVeigh and the bombing of Oklahoma City? Or the anti-abortionist bombing of the Olympics in Atlanta? Or the shooting attack at the Jewish Community Center in Seattle? Or the White supremacists of Ruby Ridge, ID?

The sad thing is that terrorism is everywhere regardless of what race or nationality.

Myself? The only terrorist groups I have to deal with are summer tourists!

Babyface · 08-01-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Interesting and yet I noticed that your map just consists of Middle Eastern terrorist groups which is informative.

But also wrong.

Wrong in the sense of American terrorist groups. Afterall, have we forgotten Timothy McVeigh and the bombing of Oklahoma City? Or the anti-abortionist bombing of the Olympics in Atlanta? Or the shooting attack at the Jewish Community Center in Seattle? Or the White supremacists of Ruby Ridge, ID?

The sad thing is that terrorism is everywhere regardless of what race or nationality.

Myself? The only terrorist groups I have to deal with are summer tourists!

ruby ridge should never have happened the government was at fault and also for waco A.C.A.B!!!

Jiro · 08-02-2008, 03:05 AM

Let me slightly clarify my view. People are terrified like shel and pinky - worrying about the next attack. Because of this fear, we let government strip away our freedom and basic civil rights with Patriot Acts and bunch more secret bills that authorized unwarranted wiretapping, confiscating laptops at airports, torturous interrogation at Gitmo Camp, and so on.

Like Ben Franklin said - ""Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." Our country has become an Orwellian society - which London is. Should we allow our fear and give up our freedom for security?

My point is - yes... this devastating terrorism attack (done by foreigners) is a rare occurrence in USA but we should not sacrifice our freedom/rights for security. it is tragic that it happened in USA and many lives were lost. I live next to NYC and I have a whole NYC in my condo view. My father was in subway just several blocks away from WTC when the first plane hit it. He felt the impact but didn't think of it. I visited WTC site when it was still burning. The smell was indescribable. Immediately after that - 3 of my friends joined Army Rangers and one came back in pine box.

But I am realistic and logical. Even though this 9/11 was terrible.... it does not mean we should be extremely concerned about Al-Qaeda and spend all our time and money to kill all of them. This means we need to open our eyes and start paying attention to international affair cuz we have been ignoring it for so long... This 9/11 is the price of our depraved ignorance. We need to pay attention and start electing right people in our government. Because of our ignorance, the government was corrupted and their cries for help were left unanswered. We took advantage of poor nations just so we can have 99 cents hamburger and cheap jeans. Our ignorance caused this is to happen - the 9/11. Don't forget that we terrorized them first before they terrorized us.

bethmeg · 08-02-2008, 03:55 AM

Don't forget that we terrorized them first before they terrorized us
How true!! Risk to real terrorist attack is minimal, but the governemts want us to believe it's far greater. Most muslims are law abiding decent people, the governements and media choose to highlight and enhance threats...why? Its suits them. Encouraging fear and hatered breeds more distrust against nations, creates the right environment for more terrorists of every genre and gives our governments better backing from citizens when launching unlateral wars and attacks on other lands. UK and USA have breached endless UN resolutions against Islamic countries, yet Iraq and Palestine breached less than a handful between them. It's important to look at the real sourse of anger against the West by Islamics and the real reason why the West is so keen to attack Eastern countries.

jillio · 08-02-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bethmeg

Don't forget that we terrorized them first before they terrorized us
How true!! Risk to real terrorist attack is minimal, but the governemts want us to believe it's far greater. Most muslims are law abiding decent people, the governements and media choose to highlight and enhance threats...why? Its suits them. Encouraging fear and hatered breeds more distrust against nations, creates the right environment for more terrorists of every genre and gives our governments better backing from citizens when launching unlateral wars and attacks on other lands. UK and USA have breached endless UN resolutions against Islamic countries, yet Iraq and Palestine breached less than a handful between them. It's important to look at the real sourse of anger against the West by Islamics and the real reason why the West is so keen to attack Eastern countries.

Well said!

Byrdie714 · 08-02-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bethmeg

Don't forget that we terrorized them first before they terrorized us
How true!! Risk to real terrorist attack is minimal, but the governemts want us to believe it's far greater. Most muslims are law abiding decent people, the governements and media choose to highlight and enhance threats...why? Its suits them. Encouraging fear and hatered breeds more distrust against nations, creates the right environment for more terrorists of every genre and gives our governments better backing from citizens when launching unlateral wars and attacks on other lands. UK and USA have breached endless UN resolutions against Islamic countries, yet Iraq and Palestine breached less than a handful between them. It's important to look at the real sourse of anger against the West by Islamics and the real reason why the West is so keen to attack Eastern countries.

Then what about American terrorists? America has been attacked by its own brand of terrorists compared to foreign terrorists.

jillio · 08-02-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Then what about American terrorists? America has been attacked by its own brand of terrorists compared to foreign terrorists.

Have to agree with that. We need to worry more about the terrorists within our own borders than those outside our borders. And, I'm not talking about the foreign infiltration. I'm talking about the terrorists who are many generations born Americans.

The frightening thing about the terrorist mentality is that it is all based on a dedication to a specific morality that they are hell bent on propagating. That is difficult to counteract.

Byrdie714 · 08-02-2008, 11:46 AM

SPLCenter.org: Hate Groups Map

Courtesy of the Southern Poverty Law Center which has a map of hate/extremist groups in the U.S. that have been known to carry out terrorist attacks against a group of people.

Sad to see Washington state has 20 of these groups....

Jiro · 08-02-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Then what about American terrorists? America has been attacked by its own brand of terrorists compared to foreign terrorists.

bethmeg was talking about foreign terrorists. now domestic terrorism is the different issue. I was just trying to put some rational sense into people who are terrified about having another 9/11 attack. Government wants us to forget about domestic terrorism and keep replaying 9/11 & angry Middle Eastern riots burning American flags.

NJ has 34.... looks like CA has the most hate groups in USA - 80. ouch....

Byrdie714 · 08-02-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

bethmeg was talking about foreign terrorists. now domestic terrorism is the different issue. I was just trying to put some rational sense into people who are terrified about having another 9/11 attack. Government wants us to forget about domestic terrorism and keep replaying 9/11 & angry Middle Eastern riots burning American flags.

NJ has 34.... looks like CA has the most hate groups in USA - 80. ouch....

How is domestic terrorism and foreign terrorism different?

Terrorism is terrorism regardless.

Jiro · 08-02-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

How is domestic terrorism and foreign terrorism different?

Terrorism is terrorism regardless.

yes but we have to know who caused it. We should be more concerned about our own people than foreigners. We should be allocating our budget/manpower/resource/etc. to domestic terrorism than on foreign terrorism. Majority of our law enforcement and intelligence resources are redirected to foreign terrorism - resulting in much more unsolved cases.

It's like being a teacher paying more attention and care on students than her own child. get it?

jillio · 08-02-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

How is domestic terrorism and foreign terrorism different?

Terrorism is terrorism regardless.

And it is often well disquised under the mask of doing what's best.

Or has Lane so eloquently put it, "the mask of benevolence."

Byrdie714 · 08-02-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

yes but we have to know who caused it. We should be more concerned about our own people than foreigners. We should be allocating our budget/manpower/resource/etc. to domestic terrorism than on foreign terrorism. Majority of our law enforcement and intelligence resources are redirected to foreign terrorism - resulting in much more unsolved cases.

It's like being a teacher paying more attention and care on students than her own child. get it?

It is.

And I'm sure many are in agreement with the next statment that Homeland Security is a farce.

Jiro · 08-02-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

It is.

And I'm sure many are in agreement with the next statment that Homeland Security is a farce.

oh yes - a huge farce and a money pit. so is I.C.E. I'd like to see it dismantled on next administration and have the budget allocated to each agency to improve its infrastructure.

jillio · 08-02-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

It is.

And I'm sure many are in agreement with the next statment that Homeland Security is a farce.

**nodding my head hard**

frogsign · 08-02-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

SPLCenter.org: Hate Groups Map

Courtesy of the Southern Poverty Law Center which has a map of hate/extremist groups in the U.S. that have been known to carry out terrorist attacks against a group of people.

Sad to see Washington state has 20 of these groups....

Gosh....my state (PA) has 33!!!

Actually, in my "part of the woods" is where the Freeman brothers were from and a big White Supremacist group had their compound (down the road from me). Talk about terrorism. And they're gone. But there are lots to take their place.

Babyface · 08-02-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

SPLCenter.org: Hate Groups Map

Courtesy of the Southern Poverty Law Center which has a map of hate/extremist groups in the U.S. that have been known to carry out terrorist attacks against a group of people.

Sad to see Washington state has 20 of these groups....

67 in texas and I see one of the groups listed I know very well heck i see a couple of these guys on the weekends

Reba · 08-02-2008, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byrdie714

SPLCenter.org: Hate Groups Map

Courtesy of the Southern Poverty Law Center which has a map of hate/extremist groups in the U.S. that have been known to carry out terrorist attacks against a group of people.

Sad to see Washington state has 20 of these groups....

Correction:

According to the SPL Center, this is what the map includes:

"The Southern Poverty Law Center counted 888 active hate groups in the United States in 2007. Only organizations and their chapters known to be active during 2007 are included.

All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.

This list was compiled using hate group publications and websites, citizen and law enforcement reports, field sources and news reports.

Hate group activities can include criminal acts, marches, rallies, speeches, meetings, leafleting or publishing. Websites appearing to be merely the work of a single individual, rather than the publication of a group, are not included in this list. Listing here does not imply a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity."

They are "hate" groups, not necessarily "terrorist" groups.

Reba · 08-02-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

... Don't forget that we terrorized them first before they terrorized us.

Would you care to elaborate on that statement? Who is the "them" that we supposedly terrorized before "they" terrorized us?

Byrdie714 · 08-02-2008, 06:30 PM

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Ori

08-01-2008, 12:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jiro YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 7,566	Illusion of Terrorism Pinky brought up an interesting point to me about the terrorism. She expressed her concern about terrorism in USA and what she had heard/seen. This sparkles an interest to me because millions of Americans have exactly same concern as Pinky so I want to talk about this. The Illusion of Terrorism.... You have seen on many front pages and news with Global Incident Map. Government changed its legal definition of terrorism and will charge anybody with terrorism for even something silly like bomb threat at school. Take a look at the map below: Does this scare me? shock me? My answer is - not at all. not a single concern. I'm more concerned about crazy people or psycho around me than terrorists because terrorism attacks in USA is pretty rare compared to other countries especially Asia and Middle East. Look at Israel. I can't imagine living in there with constant threat where there could be a suicide bomber in middle of busy market street. We don't have that in NYC or any other major cities. USA government especially Republicans have a long history of playing fear in public because Republicans = Corporations especially war companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman, etc = profitable. so..... what's your say?

08-01-2008, 12:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bottesini Elf Assassin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sneaking up behind you Posts: 5,919 Blog Entries: 3	A terrorist attack can take out many more people than the one psycho in your neighborhood. I was so shocked at 9/11. It was like living through Pearl Harbor except it was the mainland. And Omaha has SAC so I thought they would blow it up too and I would die from nuclear fallout. I am very frightened of terrorist attacks happening again. __________________ AllDeaf

08-01-2008, 02:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
shel90 Sun Whorshipper Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A Desert Rat that has found herself in Maryland Posts: 16,155 Blog Entries: 1	As someone who lives in the Metro DC area, I am pretty concerned about terrorist attacks. I was in DC when 9/11 happened so that really impacted me deeply cuz I was so close to the Pentagon and the 4th plane was targeted to hit either the White House or the Capitol Building. Maybe cuz I was there when it happened and witnessed the skyline turn black from the jet fuel at the Pentagon, it is more of a personal issue with me. __________________ ~Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

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Babyface Psychotic Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mesquite, TX Posts: 311	imma terrorist against ignorant hearies rawr...... but yeah jiros right in alot of aspect however my only stance is any terrorism is if in fact it is terrorism not the irag war terrorist stuff but reall terrorism then yeah it doesnt matter where it come from its all bad __________________ whatcha thinking about? how I could kill you and get away with it (forgot where I heard that)

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08-01-2008, 01:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,197	I agree with you jiro. There are many more situations that pose a direct threat to the American citizen than an outside terrorist attack. We need to be aware of the possibility, but we also need to keep it in perspective, and not live our lives based on a very rare occurrance.

08-02-2008, 03:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
Jiro YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 7,566	Let me slightly clarify my view. People are terrified like shel and pinky - worrying about the next attack. Because of this fear, we let government strip away our freedom and basic civil rights with Patriot Acts and bunch more secret bills that authorized unwarranted wiretapping, confiscating laptops at airports, torturous interrogation at Gitmo Camp, and so on. Like Ben Franklin said - ""Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." Our country has become an Orwellian society - which London is. Should we allow our fear and give up our freedom for security? My point is - yes... this devastating terrorism attack (done by foreigners) is a rare occurrence in USA but we should not sacrifice our freedom/rights for security. it is tragic that it happened in USA and many lives were lost. I live next to NYC and I have a whole NYC in my condo view. My father was in subway just several blocks away from WTC when the first plane hit it. He felt the impact but didn't think of it. I visited WTC site when it was still burning. The smell was indescribable. Immediately after that - 3 of my friends joined Army Rangers and one came back in pine box. But I am realistic and logical. Even though this 9/11 was terrible.... it does not mean we should be extremely concerned about Al-Qaeda and spend all our time and money to kill all of them. This means we need to open our eyes and start paying attention to international affair cuz we have been ignoring it for so long... This 9/11 is the price of our depraved ignorance. We need to pay attention and start electing right people in our government. Because of our ignorance, the government was corrupted and their cries for help were left unanswered. We took advantage of poor nations just so we can have 99 cents hamburger and cheap jeans. Our ignorance caused this is to happen - the 9/11. Don't forget that we terrorized them first before they terrorized us.

08-02-2008, 03:55 AM	#11 (permalink)
bethmeg beth Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Scotland UK Posts: 5	Don't forget that we terrorized them first before they terrorized us How true!! Risk to real terrorist attack is minimal, but the governemts want us to believe it's far greater. Most muslims are law abiding decent people, the governements and media choose to highlight and enhance threats...why? Its suits them. Encouraging fear and hatered breeds more distrust against nations, creates the right environment for more terrorists of every genre and gives our governments better backing from citizens when launching unlateral wars and attacks on other lands. UK and USA have breached endless UN resolutions against Islamic countries, yet Iraq and Palestine breached less than a handful between them. It's important to look at the real sourse of anger against the West by Islamics and the real reason why the West is so keen to attack Eastern countries.

08-02-2008, 11:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
Byrdie714 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pacific County, Washington Posts: 5,163	SPLCenter.org: Hate Groups Map Courtesy of the Southern Poverty Law Center which has a map of hate/extremist groups in the U.S. that have been known to carry out terrorist attacks against a group of people. Sad to see Washington state has 20 of these groups....