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deafdyke · 12-24-2003, 05:53 PM

Actually, culturally Deaf people would make up a very tiny percentage of those on SSI/Disabilty. Only a very small percentage of deaf and hard of hearing folks are Deaf....

deafdyke · 12-25-2003, 04:36 PM

looks like we have a VERY conservative forum here...it seems to me that a lot of us here have been brainwashed by Republican rhetoric. Certainly there are lazy deaf people but I would bet ANY amount of money that most of the lazy folk are otherwise disabled.....you know the ones who claim that their back injuniry prevents them from working, or who claim that they have "ADD" ....the people who fake disabilty in other words. Most people on disabilty are on disabilty legimately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Besides, as I've repeatly said, most of our tax money goes to things like defense and corparate welfare......only a tiny percentage of our tax dollars go towards human services! I'd much rather see my money being spent on social services, then something like a thousand dollar toilet...anyone remember that? Sure, it's rotten and unfair that there are some lazy people who abuse disabilty or welfare, but welfare and disabilty payments don't make people lazy. Most people on disabilty WANT to work....that should really tell us something!

gnarlydorkette · 12-25-2003, 06:33 PM

hmph, I know this is a tad old thread but I would like to hear opinions on temporary welfare (SSI, whatever you want to call it) for the deafies?

Because all of my deaf friends encouraged me to get SSI since I am 18, but I have this guilt ridden on me- I don't REALLY need it BADLY and I am sure there is somebody else in the nation that needs the money more than me. The only reason I am ambivalent because I am a full-time college student and I dont want to overwhelm myself with a part-time job (I don't handle hectic life well. I am already tensed up, so to add a job to my current lifestyle, ah, not now...

I can do 2 hrs of job daily, that is it. I am an impatient person,

) and I am getting tired of depending on my mother for income source. I know I am still young and all, but I am thinking maybe one or two years toward in the future, before I go crazy on account of my mother, it is getting down to get a part-time job or getting on SSI only while I am attending college. I am hoping to complete my college education within 4 years (not even ONE semester over 4 years) but... i dont know.
Don't you feel the guilt of being on SSI when you do have a relative that is willing to help out; It is the same thing with the relative- my mom is sort of like SSI for me... but comes with rules and strings compared to SSI where you just spend it on necessarties and so on and they won't say a word- unless something fishy goes on. Ah, being a half-finnish sucks when it comes to making desicions about accepting "help" from others.

Do you think it is allright for the college students who don't want to deal with the finiciail stress get on SSI to create a relief for them while they focus on their primary concern- education rather than handling all of those stupid money issues and so on- VR is enough for the college students to handle!

Feedbacks, please. I am trying to determine whether getting on SSI during college years is a good idea or not. Don't throw any flames on me, I am just trying to understand both sides before I jump on the bandwagon.

Cheri · 12-25-2003, 10:52 PM

gnarlydorkette , Do whatever is Best for u and the right choice for you.. ull be the one in control of ur life... If u feel that ur mom helps would be better for u then stick with it...or if u want to apply for ssi then go for it.. its ur life not ours.. ur choice.*smile*

Steel X · 12-26-2003, 10:44 PM

hey ya'all! vote Bush for EX-president of 2004!

12-27-2003, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Steel

hey ya'all! vote Bush for EX-president of 2004!

What does this have to do with this thread? Shit, kid, you're getting dumber by the month now!

markishh · 12-27-2003, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

looks like we have a VERY conservative forum here...it seems to me that a lot of us here have been brainwashed by Republican rhetoric.

so many of your posts are thought out well and well written, yet i was surprised by this assertion of yours. what is the mechanism used by those, either on the left or the right of an issue, to brainwash people? rhetoric is the ability to use language effectively, and is used to persuade people. if you believe that rhetoric is the means to brainwash people, then i believe the assertion you made is gratuitous. i say this because people have the ability to hear different sides of an issue, research for themselves the arguments made, think for themselves, and decide for themselves as to what to believe. the fact that some members express conservative views is not due to brainwashing anymore than the views you express are the result of the same.

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

Besides, as I've repeatly said, most of our tax money goes to things like defense and corparate welfare......only a tiny percentage of our tax dollars go towards human services! I'd much rather see my money being spent on social services, then something like a thousand dollar toilet...anyone remember that? Sure, it's rotten and unfair that there are some lazy people who abuse disabilty or welfare, but welfare and disabilty payments don't make people lazy. Most people on disabilty WANT to work....that should really tell us something!

i agree with you that there is so much waste of taxpayer's money in all areas of government. the reality is that the thousand dollar toilet is found in the human services areas, too. a distressingly small percentage of our tax dollars actually are used for their intended purposes, whether it is social services or defense. i was perplexed when i learned of several websites that were established this past summer by the parents of u.s. service personnel serving in iraq. the sites were developed with the intent to receive donations and money so that the those serving in iraq would be able to have portable air conditioners and other necessities needed for the summer months. as i looked into this more, i learned that the funding wasn't there for these things. too much waste and misuse of funds is found in all areas.

Steel X · 12-28-2003, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Deaf258

What does this have to do with this thread? Shit, kid, you're getting dumber by the month now!

if you know ANYTHING about Bush, you wouldn't have to call me that name.

Eve · 01-02-2004, 11:05 AM

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cuz nobody knows what they are doing in their lives and which is none of our business either...

it is our business when our tax dollars are paying for them! we should have a say in how OUR money is being spent.

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Did you do this BEFORE you became deaf? Did you have any extreme health care expenses?

nope, this was nearly immediately after i had lost my hearing and i had ALOT of medical expenses because of infection and nerve damage.

tekkmortal · 01-02-2004, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Eve

it is our business when our tax dollars are paying for them! we should have a say in how OUR money is being spent.

nope, this was nearly immediately after i had lost my hearing and i had ALOT of medical expenses because of infection and nerve damage.

yep on multi-billion dollar NMD (National Missile Defense) could be multi-trillion soon.

That would create zero unemployment for 10 years.

deafdyke · 01-02-2004, 07:58 PM

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it is our business when our tax dollars are paying for them! we should have a say in how OUR money is being spent.

Eve, if you REALLY want to get upset about how our tax dollars are being spent, read some Michal Moore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BILLIONS of dollars are spent on subsidizing wealthy corparations! (and the "benifit" is very minimal if at all...usually the only one who benifits are the CEOs of those wealthy corparations) Read some of the literature from the peace groups that were against the war on Iraq!!!!!!!!!!! Most of our tax dollars go to supporting the miltary-industrial complex! VERY FEW of it goes toward human services.
Remember the $2,000 toilet seats purchased by the Pentagon a few years ago? That is where most of your money is going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't deny that there are indeed lazy people who are needlessly on Disabilty....My mom deals with those people ALL the time!!!!!!!!!!!
She sees people getting benifits for things like "ADD" or even no condition at all!!!!!!
However the gross majority of people on Disabilty are on it legimitatly!!!!!!!!! Just like with welfare....there are some very stereotypical welfare mothers,who tend to grab headlines (the stupid braindead welfarities who have been on welfare for years and years and who are drug addicts and have ten kids all by different fathers) but research has shown consistiantly that most people on welfare are on it as a transistory thing!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't begrude my tax dollars going towards human services.....corparate welfare gets something like over a thousand dollars a year of our tax money, whereas human services gets something like $25.00 (that includes stuff like Early Intervention, traditional welfare, disabilty etc etc) When you divide it all up, you're probaly just paying a penny a year to stupid slackers!

Eve · 01-03-2004, 05:23 PM

Deafdyke,
Please do some reading on free enterprise and our economy. When corporations win, everybody wins. Where do you think most employment comes from?

deafdyke · 01-03-2004, 06:59 PM

Eve, please do not patronize me. I know how capitalism works. However, are you not aware that nowadays corparate welfare doesn't work? Wealthy companies are posting record profits but at the same time are laying off record numbers of workers!!!! About the only way that corparate welfare works is by "trickle down" theory (which does NOT work at all!) Besides why does McDonold's need MY money to market french fries and unhealthy fatty foods in Fiji?

Cheri · 01-03-2004, 07:22 PM

Federal Income Taxes - Uncle Sam is currently taking between 15% and 39% of our Adjusted Gross Income to pay for what ever it is that they spend money on in Washington.....Social Security - 15.3% of your income goes directly to the federal government for social security and medicare and is conveniently deducted from your paycheck. The myth about your employer paying half is just that. If you weren't required to pay social security, that is another 7.65% that your employer could pay you.
Sales Taxes - Unless you live in a state that doesn't have a state sales tax, this costs you around 6% to 7% of every penny you spend. Wouldn't it be nice to buy something for $99.95, hand the clerk a $100 bill and get a nickle back.
I'm not trying to make a political statement here. I just believe that everybody should be aware not all the ur taxes go to social security alone... and beside my friend works for Dept. of Human Service.. she stated to me that people there helped people who are on welfare to get a job... they dont show up for work or get fired... so blame everyone on people who are on social security what about people on weflare? Think about it.. Social security isnt a bad idea for some deaf people who needs it.. and they are Not being called lazy.. There are people on welfare used the food stamps on drugs and they changed it to Ohio direct card which u used at the store instead of food stamps so that way no drugs are being brought off of food stamps they have changed alot and they are trying to have people go back to work instead of depending on welfare.. so please do not say people on social security are lazy and complaining how u use ur tax money on them.. taxes are taken out on everything not just social security.. im done with my saying here.. Thank you.. (smile)

tekkmortal · 01-03-2004, 11:50 PM

If Bush is a Republican, why does he not reduce taxes more? Some states like Florida has no income tax. It would be nice not be paying taxes at all! Let the corporations take care of schools, roads, and parks. heh!

deafdyke · 01-04-2004, 01:38 AM

Thanks Cheri!!!!! Besides, the number of Deaf slackers is probaly very tiny...as they make up a very tiny percentage of the total hearing loss population.

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Let the corporations take care of schools, roads, and parks. heh!

Oh they've tried that believe me....I remember reading that Philiadelpia's schools were taken over by a for-profit corparation a few years ago..(and I think that it was a HUGE bust!

)

tekkmortal · 01-04-2004, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

Thanks Cheri!!!!! Besides, the number of Deaf slackers is probaly very tiny...as they make up a very tiny percentage of the total hearing loss population.
Oh they've tried that believe me....I remember reading that Philiadelpia's schools were taken over by a for-profit corparation a few years ago..(and I think that it was a HUGE bust!

)

Oi! The miserable failure of crony corporations!

Nesmuth · 06-06-2004, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wizard

WRAD FRAUD ALERT

This fraud alert concerns a person named Richard Roehm who is allegedly
operating an organization in Orange County, California USA.
Mr. Roehm has asserted to the deaf community in many email messages that
he is a "Member" of the California Governor's Committee on Employment
of
Disabled Persons. WRAD has contacted the Committee office in Sacramento,
California. Be advised that Richard Roehm is DEFINITELY NOT associated
with that Committee. HE IS LYING TO THE DEAF COMMUNITY. For further
information and confirmation, contact the California Governor's
Committee on Employment of People with Disabilities, 800 Capitol Mall,
Room 1022, MIC 41, PO Box 826880, Sacramento, CA 94280-0001; voice (916)
654-8055 or (800) 695-0350; fax: (916) 654-9821; TTY (916) 654-9820, and
ask for Pam Porteous. Or contact Ms. Porteous at her email address,
pporteou@edd.ca.gov .

Mr. Roehm has also been sending email messages telling the deaf
community that his agency "OCDAC" is an "Employment Network"
under the
new SSA Ticket to Work Plan. THIS IS NOT TRUE. HE IS LYING TO THE DEAF
COMMUNITY. For confifrmation of this lie, contact Donald Cook, one of
the Program Managers for the Ticket to Work Program that is being run by
Maximus, Inc. -- his voice number is (866)968-7842, extension 6720, or
email DonaldCook@maximus.com . Richard Roehm and "OCDAC" are NOT
involved with the SSA Ticket to Work program's Employment Network.

Mr. Roehm has also illegally obtained the email lists for WRAD and also
for the GLAD organization in Southern California and he may have other
mailing lists, too. He has been using those lists to frighten, scare,
mislead, deceive and defraud many people and organizations in the deaf
community for several years. He has criticized almost every organization
within the deaf community, including WRAD, GLAD, the NAD, the CAD, and
many WRAD and GLAD subsidiaries.

Mr. Roehm is also under indictment and in court proceedings for abusing
his former deaf and disabled wife, and he is alleged to have abused
and/or lied to many other deaf people, particularly deaf women.

Mr. Roehm is known to operate "OCDAC," "Deaf Advocacy Network,"
and
several other websites. Apparently, he has not worked at a regular job
in general society for many years, and he is spending most of his time
creating havoc, confusion, dissent, fears and fraud throughout the deaf
community on the worldwide Internet.

THE DEAF COMMUNITY IS CAUTIONED AND WARNED NOT TO LISTEN TO, BELIEVE, OR
COOPERATE WITH FRAUDULENT INDIVIDUALS OR FRAUDULENT ORGANIZATIONS.
__________________________________________________ ______________

WRAD FRAUD REPORT- ADDITIONAL INFO

Many people in the deaf community have commented to WRAD that there are
some people who have been working "under the table" and not reporting
their income to the Social Security Administration. There are
unfortunately also still some people who try to illegally "fake" being
deaf to get SSA benefits when they are not really eligible for those
benefits. These people who act illegally hurt BOTH the deaf community
AND the hearing taxpayers who are providing those government benefits to
deaf and disabled people.

If you know anyone who is acting illegally or fraudulently while
receiving SSI, SS Retirement, SSDI, and/or SSDAC government benefits
from the United States Social Security Administration, you can go to the
website at http://www.ssa.gov/oig/guidelin.htm and file a CONFIDENTIAL
report. You can also make a fraud report at any Social Security office.

Please MAKE SURE that you are telling the TRUTH if you make a fraud
report about anyone. But if someone is really acting illegally, then
their illegal actions should be reported to SSA. We all have a duty as
citizens to report illegal actions to the appropriate authorities.

This comes from a woman, a career student with wall to wall degrees and certificates who ends up getting disbarred and ends up raising rabbits in a half rotten house near Hollywood.

She tends to play on people's minds with her extensive use of vocabulary and tricky terms that can easily be misinterpreted and misunderstood by deaf people.

I caution people to take a hard look on her before you trust her with your safety, health, and productive opportunities.

I'm not saying she's a bad person but I can say she's carrying some major grudges on her back and she's capable leading a small band of deafies on a mad run toward the cliffs. So be careful!

Richard Roehm

Megladon · 06-06-2004, 06:47 AM

Ok, after reading everything on there, i cant find much i would say is wrong with the new program (this is in reply to the first 2 posts). If you can work, then work, if you cant, then i guess you cant, but if you can then why milk money out of the govt just because your deaf? Thats just fucking lazy.

Tousi · 06-06-2004, 01:10 PM

Megdalon.....in a nutshell, the government offers this "giveaway" your'e talking about to dampen/neutralize, etc(not that it does but...)the discrimination, etc of its deaf citizenry.......

Megladon · 06-06-2004, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Megdalon.....in a nutshell, the government offers this "giveaway" your'e talking about to dampen/neutralize, etc(not that it does but...)the discrimination, etc of its deaf citizenry.......

Actly what i see for this "giveaway" is a temporary aid to give deaf and other disabled people an even footing with those not disabled. A few bucks a month, or free education (and all schooling should be free anyways for everyone anyways) to help them so they dont need to rely on the govt for help their entire life. For those that have issues other then deafness, they may need to stay on the program longer, or for life, and for those people i cant really argue them being on it, but i have a real issue with people milking the system when they are perfectly able to work but either choose not to or think someone else can take care of them. Dont even get me started on welfare issues, because man would i like to rip into some of the people that abuse that (free money from the govt, similar topic sorry).

Tousi · 06-06-2004, 03:35 PM

Megdalon, that's right; I echo your sentiments for the most part......

Oceanbreeze · 06-06-2004, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Liza

Deafdyke, Freaky wasn't ragging on those who really need SSI and some form of govt aid. She was targeting the more lax ones who are really capable of working but chose to be on disability anyway. I agree with her because I have seen quite a number of deaf people sitting around and smoking pot or drinking beer, and they are on SSI.. they even dont have MS or anything like that... heck, my ex housemate counted the days he would get SSI and made plans with it... vacation, parties, beer, pot, selling ABC cards.. etc.. it was quite embarassing!!

I understood Freaky loud and clear. Don't count your eggs before they hatch, so you won't end up with a foot in your mouth next time

I worked hard, and never had SSI when I was living in USA. However when I moved to Norway, I saw a strong need to receive unemployment since I wasn't being allowed to work until I complete my language class there. We would go hungry if I didn't get my Norweigan "SSI." I do feel terrible for the norwegian taxpayers... and do take every effort to speed up the process, taking the initative, etc. It's a very humbling experience for me, having been very independent for years.. altho my hubby says he's just getting his money back from the govt. LOL!

In short, there's a difference between having real needs and just dallying around. Are you being real with yourself and with the taxpayers who are paying your rent and food?

I totally agree with you, Liza. I also want to add that people shouldn't make generalities about ANYBODY. There are people who need SSI and people who do not. I also know of friends of mine who are on SSI, and would LIKE TO work, but cannot, due to the "rules" that they are governed by. A lot of the time, medicaid is tied into SSI. If you lose one, you automatically lose the other. People may be reluctant to go to work, because, they NEED the medicaid, so like I said, we shouldn't judge a book by it's cover. Every situation is different in some way. That's my two cents...

sequoias · 06-06-2004, 07:47 PM

I would agree with that program, help people to get off their ass and work, and not sit on their ass playing around with govt money, I've seen some deaf doing that stuff. I work and my goal is to work with sufficent income and not depend on govt money. I know it is hard, but I have to try.

On the other note, we've been spending billions for war, corporate scams, company discrimination, wage losses, and so on....here in the US, we got full of greed, company want to earn all the money for themselves and pay us cheap wages and we cannot afford living in houses that are way over our income limits, we have to work so hard to get to it. It really sucks, we work then we die taxing out.

deafdyke · 06-07-2004, 12:17 AM

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If you can work, then work, if you cant, then i guess you cant, but if you can then why milk money out of the govt just because your deaf? Thats just fucking lazy.

Well...*playing devil's advocate here* how about viewing SSI/Disabilty as reparations for oralism? It was hearing people's idea that oralism was the best thing in the world, and that it would equip dhh people to function in the real world (meaning easier to get jobs and everything) Just to reiterate...I don't believe this...I am just playing devil's advocate and throwing out a possible hypothesis. Maybe disabilty payments could also be seen as reparations for poor education as well?
Most people on Disabilty CAN work (and WANT to work) Very few of those on disabilty are MR or have a global disabilty (eg paralyzed below the neck) but it's that their disabilty incurs a huge expense so they can't make enough money on disabilty to provide for both for basic costs of living AND the additional costs of their disabilty.

12-25-2003, 06:33 PM	#93 (permalink)
gnarlydorkette is leaving for good. Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sunny Diego in Califunny Posts: 1,764	hmph, I know this is a tad old thread but I would like to hear opinions on temporary welfare (SSI, whatever you want to call it) for the deafies? Because all of my deaf friends encouraged me to get SSI since I am 18, but I have this guilt ridden on me- I don't REALLY need it BADLY and I am sure there is somebody else in the nation that needs the money more than me. The only reason I am ambivalent because I am a full-time college student and I dont want to overwhelm myself with a part-time job (I don't handle hectic life well. I am already tensed up, so to add a job to my current lifestyle, ah, not now... I can do 2 hrs of job daily, that is it. I am an impatient person, ) and I am getting tired of depending on my mother for income source. I know I am still young and all, but I am thinking maybe one or two years toward in the future, before I go crazy on account of my mother, it is getting down to get a part-time job or getting on SSI only while I am attending college. I am hoping to complete my college education within 4 years (not even ONE semester over 4 years) but... i dont know. Don't you feel the guilt of being on SSI when you do have a relative that is willing to help out; It is the same thing with the relative- my mom is sort of like SSI for me... but comes with rules and strings compared to SSI where you just spend it on necessarties and so on and they won't say a word- unless something fishy goes on. Ah, being a half-finnish sucks when it comes to making desicions about accepting "help" from others. Do you think it is allright for the college students who don't want to deal with the finiciail stress get on SSI to create a relief for them while they focus on their primary concern- education rather than handling all of those stupid money issues and so on- VR is enough for the college students to handle! Feedbacks, please. I am trying to determine whether getting on SSI during college years is a good idea or not. Don't throw any flames on me, I am just trying to understand both sides before I jump on the bandwagon. Last edited by gnarlydorkette; 12-25-2003 at 06:39 PM. Reason: addition of more insights

12-25-2003, 10:52 PM	#94 (permalink)
Cheri Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 20,755	gnarlydorkette , Do whatever is Best for u and the right choice for you.. ull be the one in control of ur life... If u feel that ur mom helps would be better for u then stick with it...or if u want to apply for ssi then go for it.. its ur life not ours.. ur choice.smile __________________

12-26-2003, 10:44 PM	#95 (permalink)
Steel X Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 10,693	hey ya'all! vote Bush for EX-president of 2004! __________________

01-03-2004, 07:22 PM	#104 (permalink)
Cheri Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 20,755	Federal Income Taxes - Uncle Sam is currently taking between 15% and 39% of our Adjusted Gross Income to pay for what ever it is that they spend money on in Washington.....Social Security - 15.3% of your income goes directly to the federal government for social security and medicare and is conveniently deducted from your paycheck. The myth about your employer paying half is just that. If you weren't required to pay social security, that is another 7.65% that your employer could pay you. Sales Taxes - Unless you live in a state that doesn't have a state sales tax, this costs you around 6% to 7% of every penny you spend. Wouldn't it be nice to buy something for $99.95, hand the clerk a $100 bill and get a nickle back. I'm not trying to make a political statement here. I just believe that everybody should be aware not all the ur taxes go to social security alone... and beside my friend works for Dept. of Human Service.. she stated to me that people there helped people who are on welfare to get a job... they dont show up for work or get fired... so blame everyone on people who are on social security what about people on weflare? Think about it.. Social security isnt a bad idea for some deaf people who needs it.. and they are Not being called lazy.. There are people on welfare used the food stamps on drugs and they changed it to Ohio direct card which u used at the store instead of food stamps so that way no drugs are being brought off of food stamps they have changed alot and they are trying to have people go back to work instead of depending on welfare.. so please do not say people on social security are lazy and complaining how u use ur tax money on them.. taxes are taken out on everything not just social security.. im done with my saying here.. Thank you.. (smile) __________________

06-06-2004, 07:47 PM	#114 (permalink)
sequoias Railfan 4 life! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Evergreen State Posts: 11,803	I would agree with that program, help people to get off their ass and work, and not sit on their ass playing around with govt money, I've seen some deaf doing that stuff. I work and my goal is to work with sufficent income and not depend on govt money. I know it is hard, but I have to try. On the other note, we've been spending billions for war, corporate scams, company discrimination, wage losses, and so on....here in the US, we got full of greed, company want to earn all the money for themselves and pay us cheap wages and we cannot afford living in houses that are way over our income limits, we have to work so hard to get to it. It really sucks, we work then we die taxing out. Last edited by sequoias; 06-06-2004 at 07:51 PM.

12-24-2003, 05:53 PM	#91 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 6,572	Actually, culturally Deaf people would make up a very tiny percentage of those on SSI/Disabilty. Only a very small percentage of deaf and hard of hearing folks are Deaf....

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12-25-2003, 04:36 PM	#92 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 6,572	looks like we have a VERY conservative forum here...it seems to me that a lot of us here have been brainwashed by Republican rhetoric. Certainly there are lazy deaf people but I would bet ANY amount of money that most of the lazy folk are otherwise disabled.....you know the ones who claim that their back injuniry prevents them from working, or who claim that they have "ADD" ....the people who fake disabilty in other words. Most people on disabilty are on disabilty legimately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Besides, as I've repeatly said, most of our tax money goes to things like defense and corparate welfare......only a tiny percentage of our tax dollars go towards human services! I'd much rather see my money being spent on social services, then something like a thousand dollar toilet...anyone remember that? Sure, it's rotten and unfair that there are some lazy people who abuse disabilty or welfare, but welfare and disabilty payments don't make people lazy. Most people on disabilty WANT to work....that should really tell us something!

01-03-2004, 05:23 PM	#102 (permalink)
Eve Goddess Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Paradise Posts: 1,125	Deafdyke, Please do some reading on free enterprise and our economy. When corporations win, everybody wins. Where do you think most employment comes from?

01-03-2004, 06:59 PM	#103 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 6,572	Eve, please do not patronize me. I know how capitalism works. However, are you not aware that nowadays corparate welfare doesn't work? Wealthy companies are posting record profits but at the same time are laying off record numbers of workers!!!! About the only way that corparate welfare works is by "trickle down" theory (which does NOT work at all!) Besides why does McDonold's need MY money to market french fries and unhealthy fatty foods in Fiji?

01-03-2004, 11:50 PM	#105 (permalink)
tekkmortal Smashin' Pumpkins! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,537	If Bush is a Republican, why does he not reduce taxes more? Some states like Florida has no income tax. It would be nice not be paying taxes at all! Let the corporations take care of schools, roads, and parks. heh!

06-06-2004, 06:47 AM	#109 (permalink)
Megladon Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 344	Ok, after reading everything on there, i cant find much i would say is wrong with the new program (this is in reply to the first 2 posts). If you can work, then work, if you cant, then i guess you cant, but if you can then why milk money out of the govt just because your deaf? Thats just fucking lazy.

06-06-2004, 01:10 PM	#110 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,543	Megdalon.....in a nutshell, the government offers this "giveaway" your'e talking about to dampen/neutralize, etc(not that it does but...)the discrimination, etc of its deaf citizenry.......

06-06-2004, 03:35 PM	#112 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,543	Megdalon, that's right; I echo your sentiments for the most part......