GalaxyAngel

Hey Hey...
What about Deaf person who cannot work due their health reasons.. So you could call'n them labelled "LAZY DEAF PERSON"??? probably you doesn't know that person's life and their health too.. Think twice about it.. Few of my friends who cannot get job.. really upset about it and accept who that person is.. My friend truly wants to go work but can't... (sigh) I'm very open and understand how much their reason. My friend's dr ordred it not allowed work.. Have no choice how can person need support living decent for provide their children.

Be Careful with your full mouth.. inslut anyone who cannot have a job due their reason. Please open your heart and listen their words.. don't call'n them who is lazy.. "DON'T"

Other Deaf people who really lazy and hunting a job (yes my opition) unless who have no problem their health.. NOne.. of course would be "lazy" Yes.
Different point view.. okay..

Other ways.. Deaf people who attend College or University.. you would call them LAZY (not hunting a job) while attend on school. due who live on SSI or SSDI because of that ?

I'm not here for pointing fingers anyone about it. ok.
Peace!
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Kalista

I have seen several Deaf and Hard of Hearing people struggled to find the jobs. They send out more than 20 resume's. No one calls ! They see the resume that they graduated from NTID and Gallaudet. Most of the agencies did not want to bother to contact with them due to deaf. They did not want to spend of their money to hiring an interpreters during the interview and training.

I have seen them very discourage and depress. I can understand why, they live on SSDI or SSI due to not find the jobs. When they get lay off from their jobs and difficult to find different career because of the new technologies change so much in this society.

As for the children. YES, the day care is awful EXPENSIVE. Your pay net would be only 550 dollars per week. Pay DayCare 250 per week. You only have 275 dollars for rent, car insurance, car payment, food, electricity, heat, etc... Some of the agencies have the DayCare program which is wonderful for all the Parents go back to work. They can visit their children during their break and lunch time.

I can see why, many Deaf people are very frustrated and give up. I do not consider myself as disiablity but I try very hard to find a better career with better pay but I can't find one for more than 5 years now. I am stuck with my same job with lower pay. I have a College degree. The positions require alot of oral communication and answering the phones.

They did not want to bother to hiring Deaf people due to difficult communication and cost them thousand dollars on interpreters.

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Cheri

I totally agree with u right there Sabrina well said!!! *smile*

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Peachy Lady

I agree with you too, Sabrina. I am a full time mom for my husband's three children. I do not get SSDI because my husband works to support the family. I may sound old fashioned, but I prefer to be a full time mom only if husband can support family on his salary. If he could not afford to support his family, I would need to go to work. I prefer not to work until the kids are in school full time though. I also do not trust daycares to take care of our children. But I do know there are some daycares that are really good. I'm just overprotecting our children and prefer to be the one to take care of them. I enjoy teaching our children many things. Helped the oldest one to improve her math and english skills with hand-on learning flashcards, devices, etc. I feel bad for mothers that have to go to work, but don't have choice not to. I have worked for many years, dropped my two older daughters at day care, etc when I prefer to be at home full time with them. I am not lazy...Im always busy. I dont become coach potato, watch tv all the time, eating bon bons and let house become very messy. I can really understand mothers getting SSDIs when their children are small...until they go to school full time.

illustrator

I think it's important to have doctor's to approve with SSI. So they will be understandable. Without doctor's - too bad!

Eve

first of all, i am not so ignorant as to not understand what you were saying. believe me, your thought processes are pretty predictable.
Second, it's still a fucked up excuse! Potentially dangerous child care is a risk we all take as parents. Does a hearing person have the option of staying home and sucking up SSDI just because they dont trust leaving their children at daycare? If the answer is no (and we all know it is), then we shouldnt be using deafness as an excuse to get around the system that all others have to work through. Get it? (one of your favorite quotes)

Eve

we werent talking about truly disabled people with health reasons for collecting SSDI, we were talking about deaf people who are CAPABLE of working but refuse to for various reasons/excuses which dont fall within the category of "disabiling factors".

deafdyke

Yes, they do...it's called welfare!
It's all well and good for you to bash on Disabilty recipiants for popping out babies, but many may not be able to afford birth control.....does anyone know if Medicaid covers birth control?
Eve, the amount of deafies who are on Disabilty just b/c they are lazy and don't want to work is actually kind of small. A study said that 80% of those on Disabilty WANT to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most people go on Disabilty in order to afford Medicaid so they'll be able to afford health care. In case you haven't noticed there is a health care crisis in America....even middle class people in perfect health have trouble with paying for health care!!!!!
Read some Michal Moore, Al Franken, or Barbra Ehrienrich!!!!!!!!!
It's ironic....the experts yap that the oral route will give kids more opertunties, but on the other hand the oral route = dependancy on health care....hearing aids aren't covered by insurance in case you've been living under a rock, and even mappings and the re/habilitiation of those with CIs aren't always covered by insurance!

Liza

Let's not get too excited

DD, Where's your sources? I keep seeing you throwing out keywords like study, numbers, and only three names so far. I'm skeptic because there are factors like how big of a group and how diverse this group is that the study was done on, and if the study was not biased or biased at all.

Hearing aids not covered by insurance? I'd like to hear from those who has had their H.A.'s covered. Oh and the oral education bit is off topic btw... I already got dizzy reading this thread.

Doesn't the VR help a-plenty with the tuition and job search? It does seem to me that there is too much demand to be taken care of like children. Deaf or not, we don't have to rely on SSI, SSDI, welfare if we are able-bodied unless there are conditions imposed that you absolutely have no choice but to take steps to remove these conditions which does take time. Besides, the welfare system and the taxation system were only supposed to be temporary if you learn more of our American history. I'll provide sources if you are interested.

On the other hand, I have heard all about housewives and mothers working so much without being paid a salary for it. It can be a thankless task. SSI in their names might be considered as salary. I dunno. LOL

What is ethical AND also what would be acceptable for the taxpayers as a whole? That's the million dollar question.

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BabyPhat21

I would love to have a job but i dont have that much free time in a regular continuim. My schedule varies cuz of school. I would love to work but its not my fault they dont call me. The job market is not easy and I have my BA degree.

Banjo

I think this may be partially true in some ways, I have heard several horror stories from people who tried to get hearing aids but couldn't because the insurance refused to cover them.

Are there anybody on this forum who had a bad experience?

deafdyke

Usually only if you're wicked poor. It doesn't really help middle or upper class folks.
I am very aware of that. Most people are on welfare as a way to get through a tough time. However there are some welfare slackers who are chronicly on welfare. (just ask my mom!)
Read about the study in the paper(Boston Globe) a few years ago. I'll do some research and see if I can't find anything.
As I said before, at least deaf and hohness is a more legimitate reason for getting SSI/Disabilty then say....a back injuiry or "ADD"
It would be interesting to do a study and see if there is any difference in employment levels between Deaf folks and folks raised orally (without Sign)
It wouldn't surprise me if there was an ASL= employment link, sort of like there is with Braille literacy=employment among blind.
Yes, the cost of hearing aids are a MAJOR reason why unemployment levels are so high. It's not just Deaf people who have a high rate of unemployment. Only a very small percentage of the total deaf population is Deaf.

Banjo

DeafDyke, you can try http://www.fedstats.gov

ideafspy

I agree that deaf can use without ssi expect can keep who go college to get graudated degree but not more than 5 years.

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Eve

I know any moron can get free condoms and pills from Planned Parenthood! AND, the most potent form of birth control is still free to all - ABSTINENCE. I still maintain that if you cant support your children, dont have them.
I could say that I WANT to mow my lawn, but unless I actually get out there, start the mower and start pushing, it isnt going to happen on it's own.
It stands to reason that if you are financially able, you wouldn't need the VR.

illustrator

You don't know how to push on the companies to hiring you. I have been done that before and did get job by being pushy.

Peachy Lady

I agree with you, Illustrator. What needs to be done is after applying for job at a company where the applicant really want to work, the applicant can either call or show up properly dressed (to impress them that the applicant is really interested in working) every one or two weeks to check in and ask if there is job opening and if there is, if he/she can get interviewed. That will really show them that the applicant is very interested in working and is willing to take the time to check in often. Important thing to do is to be polite, smile and not act tooo demanding or they will be turned off. Ive known one person who walks in and say "you must hire deaf!" And act very mad and very demanding. Of course, they never hired him because of his negative attitude that they do not wish to work with. That's what I mean. I've gotten all my jobs on my own by working on applying many places...over 100 places and checking in with each of them every one to two weeks. I think of applying for job as my full time job. I went out every morning and stayed out all day until early afternoon applying in many places and checking in to let them know I was interested. Then when I come home, I check on my ID caller by my tty to see if any of the companies had called. If so, I return their calls right away that day. Whenever I had job interview, I always type up thank you letter for their time to interview me and that I look forward to hearing from them soon. Taking those extra time to do all those things do work. Sometimes it takes longer because of poor economy and job market, but if you keep at it, it will result getting hired. Also, it is very important to be flexible when they ask you if you are willing to work overtime, or work at certain hours, or earn less money than you wanted. Because when you work there for a few months, you will prove to them how much you can do and that you are worth more salary. Then you can ask for a raise if you feel that the work you do merits a raise. Sometimes the hours can eventually be changed to fit your personal schedule, but not always.

GalaxyAngel

Okay..
Deaf person did applied lot lot different places and waits for hearing phone calls.. NONE OF IT..
What more.. Avoid hiring Deaf peoples.. Mostly Hearing peoples sees resume says.. Use Relay Call ph number #.......
That what they afraid and refused to hire Deaf people to work. Due LACK OF COMMUNCATION..

Do you expecting blame that person is still LAZY ?? What do u expect call ?

Okay..
My husband had graduation from Madonna University from 1989's and has MA degree.
My husband had been sending resume different companies for 10 years.. No one hire him.. IMAGE THAT.. He really quite fusterate and fed up.. Decide change career and went to Post Secondary University (In my formerly hometown area) and took course for 3 years. His Classroom must require them to apply for CO-OP job training.. My husband felt and knew impossible hard to get a job.. so he try his best somehow his advote (sp) help him lot. His Advote knew his history pretty awful longest time no job... He went to one company in ST Thomas, Ontario.Canada. asked for co-op job.. That company doesn't hiring for co-op student and offered him full time job ?? He said yes please why not..
He got a letter, willing challenge with him being he deaf.
Impressive that company.. He got a job finally.. He decide quit his post secondary college NOT FINISHED COURSE 6 MOS LEFT TO GO GRAD.. but he got a job.. He was so very happy.. Right now, He is working almost going 5 years on May 2004.
Not easy for hunting job.. He has been experienced fusterate finding job..

I do not blame him being LAZY... no..
I'm mother of 3 children and has to taking care of my children.. Part time job.. yes.. I will get another 2nd job..

In Ontario rating of Deaf peoples are unemployee 80% and 20% of them has job. Not easy.. for everyones who tries to get a job mostly high percentage of barrier.. SAD!!
I do not like call them being "LAZY" how much they are work hard and try their best to get a job through their success.

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Angel

*shaking my head*.....

*getting on the cloud*

I would say this is a very touchy thread here...which I tried to stay away from threads like this but however, I see some of you want one side of an opinions than listening to others opinions and respecting those who has a different opinions.....I've learned this from another forum....


I do respectfully disagree with some of you about casting shame on others who have only voiced their opinions in this thread....Every life we live we have different opinions and choices....that doesn't mean your life is much better than the others....

I don't believe anyone could bash someone from their own opinions what they felt they needed to be on ssi/ssa/ssdi/etc....that may be their ONLY choice they have at the time in order to live and survive ...

As for myself, I am looking for a job because I don't want to be on ssa anymore and do want to be around other people working and make the money on my own instead of depending on ssi/ssa/ssdi...but I am not going to judge anyone who may be still on it or telling them to get their lazy butt up and work.....whatever they do in life, that is their choice if they choose to live this way.....

Respect those who voiced their opinions here in this thread rather than bashing these peoples or making others feel low by whatever choices they do make even if it's their only option to live by...it would benefit many of us to be a little more understanding here as real issues affecting real life choices in order to stay alive, like with myself, I'm thankful to be able to have this kind of help. But I do not want to rely on this, at this stage/moment of my life, it has given me the encouragement and will to live and being able to survive as I actively seek a job.


*getting off the cloud*

Eve

Angel, I applaud you for trying to find employment. Persistence pays! Never give up! My problem is when some deafies get on SSDI and stay on it without any hopes for the future. I have been told by some militants that the hearing society OWES it to deafies to pay them their SSDI. Yet, these are the same deafies that scream "Im NOT disabled!" Such an oximoron. I see no problem with collecting SHORT TERM, while ACTIVELY seeking gainful employment, or while continuing education in order to find employment. I just wish the government would treat SSDI for deafies just like unemployment compensation. You only get it for a certain period and you have to PROVE you are actively seeking employment during that time or else you dont get it. There is too much opportunity out there to help us find jobs, such as the "Ticket to Work" program. If we do not utilize what is available to us, then YES, we are "LAZY".

Eve

And for the record, you can find a job. It may not be the job you want, but it is employment. I remember not too long ago working 3 jobs as a single mother to support my children. I also recall working at places like fast food restraunts and gas stations. No, that certainly wasnt my ideal job, but it did put food on the table. While working at those "menial" jobs, I bettered myself through education so that I could one day get the profession of my dreams. You cant make your dreams come true by sitting on your ass!

illustrator

if anyone wasn't able to keep the job that much longer, you won't able to get more salary.

I have been stay work at grocey store for almost 5 years from $5.35 to 11.45 plus excellent health benefit and 401k plan. It was hard at the begin until I finally got a wonderful "reward" for myself to work hard and patient.

Very important... be patient and your salary will raise.

deafdyke

Eve, I agree with you regarding birth control. There are some idoits out there who just pop out the babies on public money....I was just playing devil's advocate there.
I do know that it's thought that middle and upper class people don't need financal help from VR, but on the other hand middle class people do seem to pay through the nose for stuff. I mean, even a lot of middle class people have trouble paying for things like hearing aids. (just look on all the BBs for parents of deaf kids . At least once or twice a month, someone's online seeking info on how to pay for hearing aids) There's also the possibilty that the deaf/hoh person has a syndrome which translates into huge health care expenses. I'm not just talking about the syndromes where the person is globally disabled (eg the ones that translate into VERY profound disabilties, where the person is: deaf, blind, profoundly MR, g-tube'd, trach'd, has AFOs and ostomies etc.)
There are "mild" severe syndromes where the kid may be high functioning in terms of IQ, but have tons of medical issues. I have one of those syndromes myself and my parents (who are middle class) have probaly spent upwards of a million dollars out of pocket on my health care!
Well....I can see how some militants might think that way. Remember now, I'm just playing devil's advocate. I don't like receiving SSI/Disabilty and I wish that the employment level in the whole deaf-world was higher.
However, what if the person recieving SSI/Disabilty is an oral failure and didn't learn Sign until kinda late? Hearing people were the ones who orginally thought that the oral route was so wonderful and the best thing in the world for deaf and hard of hearing folks. A lot of oral failures spent far far far too much time on becoming oral (becoming faux hearing) and so when they finally were allowed to learn ASL, they were way behind on stuff.
What if the person receiving SSI/Disabilty is one of those people who fell through the educational cracks? I remember reading in Train Go Sorry that in the '70's when most deaf and hoh attended res schools, the employment level among Deaf males was HIGHER then for the general white hearing male population. A lot of us deaf and hoh folks (especially those of us of the immediate post-IDEA generation) really didn't get appropreaite services in school, especially if we were just thrown into class with a 'terp, auditory trainer, and roaming resource teacher.