Racism? - Page 2

kalboy · 09-19-2003, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

There are times when it is strongly encouraged to have diversity in various organizations, jobs, and schools. I think it's good, but it's also important to find someone with good qualities. These days, anyone can get slammed with a lawsuit for not hiring minorities. I've heard of cases where blacks are not hired and whites are so they sue for discrimination. What if those whites happened to have the qualities that those companies are looking for... that the blacks didn't have? Should you really blame them for their race? No, blame their personal lives. I've seen other races sit around protesting cuz they won't be given jobs. Well, the whole week they've been protesting... they could have actually spent in looking for a job! The same goes for gays/lesbians. I've seen gays/lesbians who have great qualities and definitely would be great for various jobs. There are cases where gays sue a packaging company for not hiring them. Well, in the job description... applicants are expected to lift more than 25 lbs and the gay applicants who applied said that they couldn't so they weren't hired and a straight guy who interviewed after them got the job cuz he could lift 100 lbs.

Overall, I think that minorities are being stupid for wasting their time accusing others of discrimination, racism, and sexism... when they could actually use that time to put themselves to good use! Can you do the job? No? Then leave. Don't sue me cuz you're black or hispanic. Don't sue me cuz you're gay or a lesbian. Don't sue me cuz you're deaf.

from your conclusion, you just called deaf people stupid... w

kalboy · 09-19-2003, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AL-KHAWARIZMI

Actually bbnt , I have disagree with you on that particular terminology.

What The Heretic just stated is actually classified as an educated guess. His statement was merely the parroting of something that has already been justified from statistics, interpolations, and trends that biologist and geneticists have gleaned over the last several decades of researches done on deafness. It wasn't something that was simply conjured out of your rectum.

An opinion, on the other hand, relies on no such an empirical evidence to justify ones statement. There's no proof for it. It's just simply a belief, or a conclusion that is held without any justification whatsoever for it.

On the other hand:

If you said "a medical opinion", then perhaps you would've been correct, because it is actually the medical opinion amongst the scientists that deafness, just as well as various types of diseases will actually be lessened (if not eliminated) over the years, thanks to progress made in their respective fields.

Or Perhaps:

If you wish to state it was but a mere "public opinion", then. . No. . . . According to this board, what The Heretic had to say. . from my observation . . . was not necessarily the prevailing view on this thread, however that does not necessarily make that the correct stance for everyone else to hold.

To everyone else on this thread:

"That's what an army is - a mob; they don't fight with courage that's born in them, but with courage that's borrowed from their mass, and from their officers."

- Mark Twain

Praise Umanita!

~Al-Khawarizmi

dude, you are not fooling anyone with your multiple screen names.

The Heretic · 09-19-2003, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bbnt

My simple responce was all that was needed to explain that your opinion is just that, an opinion

Since this is the On-Topic Debate forum, i'm going to chalk this response to the classical hand-wave.

Once you learn how to qualify your assertions, then feel free to get back to me and explain yourself. Since you seem to be incapable, then there's no point in treating all opinions the same as if there aren't any qualitative differences between them.

kalboy · 09-19-2003, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Heretic

Since this is the On-Topic Debate forum, i'm going to chalk this response to the classical hand-wave.

Once you learn how to qualify your assertions, then feel free to get back to me and explain yourself. Since you seem to be incapable, then there's no point in treating all opinions the same as if there aren't any qualitative differences between them.

dude, you need a major ego check .. can you proof that YOUR opinions are "superior" than the others? Lets say, how about some published work. Hmm, a degree from somewhere?

The Heretic · 09-19-2003, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kalboy

dude, you need a major ego check .. can you proof that YOUR opinions are "superior" than the others? Lets say, how about some published work. Hmm, a degree from somewhere?

I just made a terrific argument in response to BBNT. Try and address it w/o wasting everybody's time with useless red herrings and non-sequiturs.

kalboy · 09-19-2003, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Heretic

I just made a terrific argument in response to BBNT. Try and address it w/o wasting everybody's time with useless red herrings and non-sequiturs.

oh ha, so you can't actually proof that your opinions are better. Ok-ay, I rest my case.

by the way, if a classic "talk to the hand" gesture qualifies as a terrific arguement. Lil' Kim must blow OJ Simpson's attorneys out of the water.

***VamPyroX*** · 09-19-2003, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kalboy

from your conclusion, you just called deaf people stupid... w

Which part of my post pointed out that deaf people are stupid?

I knew a deaf guy who thought about suing Target for not providing him services to help him with his deafness. I asked what they didn't provide and he mentioned that they wouldn't provide a TTY/TDD for him to use, wouldn't contact him via email instead of by phone, and wouldn't provide an interpreter during employee meetings. I then asked him if he ever asked for any of those things and he said, "no." Case solved!

***VamPyroX*** · 09-19-2003, 02:52 AM

They just set up a new Computer Club here at NTID. So far, it's looking good since they allow anyone in and it's more of an educational club as well as a beneficial club. Glad to see a club that isn't biased against anything!

kalboy · 09-19-2003, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

They just set up a new Computer Club here at NTID. So far, it's looking good since they allow anyone in and it's more of an educational club as well as a beneficial club. Glad to see a club that isn't biased against anything!

OHHHH I get it. Maybe they won't let you join their clubs on campus. Have you ever went to to an "asian"/"black" club meeting before? Have they ever deny your request to be a part of their clubs?

The Heretic · 09-19-2003, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kalboy

oh ha, so you can't actually proof that your opinions are better. Ok-ay, I rest my case.

by the way, if a classic "talk to the hand" gesture qualifies as a terrific arguement. Lil' Kim must blow OJ Simpson's attorneys out of the water.

You obviously jumped in late in this thread, Kalboy. Would it be too difficult for you to scroll up and read the other posts? I don't see any reason to play to your music and repeat myself. If you can, then address my first post in this thread and point out where i didn't "proof" my point. If you can't (and i'm a betting man that you won't) then why bother?

kalboy · 09-19-2003, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Heretic

You obviously jumped in late in this thread, Kalboy. Would it be too difficult for you to scroll up and read the other posts? I don't see any reason to play to your music and repeat myself. If you can, then address my first post in this thread and point out where i didn't "proof" my point. If you can't (and i'm a betting man that you won't) then why bother post here?

exactly! if you didn't/can't proof that your option is superior, then it is just an opinion like BBNT said. See how simple is that! YAY! first grade math is fun!!

The Heretic · 09-19-2003, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kalboy

exactly! if you didn't/can't proof that your option is superior, then it is just an opinion like BBNT said. See how simple is that! YAY! first grade math is fun!!

Like clockwork, you fell for it.

Thanks a bunch for not deviating from my prediction.

kalboy · 09-19-2003, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Heretic

Like clockwork, you fell for it.

Thanks a bunch for not deviating from my prediction.

how does it feels like when you cage yourself in your so-called delusion being an expert in philosophy. ecstatic, I hope. like another form of masturabation.

bbnt · 09-19-2003, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Heretic

Since this is the On-Topic Debate forum, i'm going to chalk this response to the classical hand-wave.

Once you learn how to qualify your assertions, then feel free to get back to me and explain yourself. Since you seem to be incapable, then there's no point in treating all opinions the same as if there aren't any qualitative differences between them.

I don't need 10 dollar words to make my point. If you weren't so full of yourself you might be able to understand that

09-19-2003, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bbnt

I don't need 10 dollar words to make my point. If you weren't so full of yourself you might be able to understand that

Now you know why bbnt is one of my all time favourite members in all forums!!! He is down to earth and doesn't use superficial words.. I can relate to him in a lot of ways.

***VamPyroX*** · 09-19-2003, 08:36 AM

If you aren't asian, you are not allowed on their executive board. If you aren't black, you aren't allowed on their executive board.

bbnt · 09-19-2003, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

If you aren't asian, you are not allowed on their executive board. If you aren't black, you aren't allowed on their executive board.

Please explain?

kalboy · 09-19-2003, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

If you aren't asian, you are not allowed on their executive board. If you aren't black, you aren't allowed on their executive board.

if that is true, i don't think it is political correct. but i doubt that their by-laws actually would state something like that. Perhaps nobody beside asian or black had ever been on the executive board, but that doesn't means they are not allowed.

kalboy · 09-19-2003, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bbnt

I don't need 10 dollar words to make my point. If you weren't so full of yourself you might be able to understand that

10 dollar words? More like 2 cents

***VamPyroX*** · 09-19-2003, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bbnt

Please explain?

If you want to be on the executive board of the Asian Deaf Club, you have to be of asian nationality. If you aren't, you don't qualify. The same goes for Ebony Club.

***VamPyroX*** · 09-19-2003, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kalboy

if that is true, i don't think it is political correct. but i doubt that their by-laws actually would state something like that. Perhaps nobody beside asian or black had ever been on the executive board, but that doesn't means they are not allowed.

It says on their flyers that they have posted around campus. They usually do this when they are having elections for new executive board.

Liza · 09-19-2003, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kalboy

dude, you need a major ego check .. can you proof that YOUR opinions are "superior" than the others? Lets say, how about some published work. Hmm, a degree from somewhere?

Now I understand where the friction is... I think!

kalboy, no one needs a degree to disagree or agree with something, or have a view on something. Heretic is entitled to his views, as you are. bbnt also is entitled to be skeptic of Heretic's statements and how he looks at things, too. It's part of the fun of a great debate without having to put anyone down.

I guess this is a case where everyone can agree to disagree on terminology. No harm, no foul. Heretic, I still disagree with your statement about deaf culture being wiped out along with the sign languages in the future. I think it will just evolve to adapt with all new factors (scientific advent, technology, new ways of thinking, etc), hopefully, for the better - as far as cultures go!

Vampy, when I attended gally - I was welcomed to participate in ISC (International Students' Club, for students from other countries) and Rainbow, even though I don't share the characteristics of these groups. I even hung out with students who were from countries like Pakistan, Iran, China, Malaysia, South Africa, Canada, you name it. You just can't waltz into a club, and demand you want the right to participate - you gotta prove yourself and earn others' trust. Make friends. Hope I made myself understandable.. let me know if I didn't! Thanks for starting this thread, and I think it's something important we should talk about.

kalboy · 09-19-2003, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

What's your opinion on this? Being white is a race. Being straight is a form of sexuality.

being white in the usa is not a race. You can not come with some sort of "white" club on any major college campus because white people do not share similar background. However, you can, form an irish club, proven that there exists some people who are irish or interested in studying the irish culture. since asians/black rarely compress 10% of the population in some parts of the US. They share some kind of common background that i call "peoplehood' which can bring them together. An analogy to this is that there exists no "hearing" club out there for all the hearing people, because such notion would be too lax in defnition.

***VamPyroX*** · 09-19-2003, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kalboy

being white in the usa is not a race. You can not come with some sort of "white" club on any major college campus because white people do not share similar background. However, you can, form an irish club, proven that there exists some people who are irish or interested in studying the irish culture. since asians/black rarely compress 10% of the population in some parts of the US. They share some kind of common background that i call "peoplehood' which can bring them together. An analogy to this is that there exists no "hearing" club out there for all the hearing people, because such notion would be too lax in defnition.

You make a point in one part... however, being chinese, japanese, or korean is being asian. Therefore, asian is a race. Being irish, german, russian, english, or italian is being white. Therefore, white is a race.

If they want to be anal about me calling it a "White Club". Fine, I'll call it "Caucasian Club".

Banjo · 09-19-2003, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

You make a point in one part... however, being chinese, japanese, or korean is being asian. Therefore, asian is a race. Being irish, german, russian, english, or italian is being white. Therefore, white is a race.

If they want to be anal about me calling it a "White Club". Fine, I'll call it "Caucasian Club".

In some areas of USA... Caucasian folks are the minority.

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