Do you support abortion as - Page 4

Reba · 05-19-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

You can´t vote both but just one of two choices. Yes I know both choices have pro/cons but we have to vote one after study on many cons/pros on both choices before decision to be made.

That's why I didn't vote in the poll. It's a loaded poll.

IslandGal · 05-19-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

OK.

I vote legal to save the life of the mother.

I vote illegal for all other reasons.

I am with Reba on this....

Wokamuka · 05-19-2008, 12:05 PM

Some people don't need to vote. Everybody else knows that there are people who wish for everything to be illegal when without their consent/"consult."

CrzyMeg · 05-19-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

You can't agree with both sides of the issue. You are either pro-choice or you are not pro-choice. Which one is it?

Pro choice...

PePe LePew · 05-19-2008, 07:59 PM

It's murder, it's a human baby, not a baby fault!

Suicide is self murder!

Bible said You Must Not Murder!

It's wrong to take the life of another human being!

We're human, not an object of nothing!

I cryed hard when people die of health problems and murder, accident, it's terrible to lose a love one and it's terrible to murder someone, it's gruesome and baby inside are innocent do not deserved to be aborted!

That's sad!

Wokamuka · 05-19-2008, 08:05 PM

You would rather a baby to die a long, slow death rather than prevent it?

That's the greater evil and, certainly, not Christian.

LuciaDisturbed · 05-19-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PePe LePew

It's murder, it's a human baby, not a baby fault!

Suicide is self murder!

Bible said You Must Not Murder!

It's wrong to take the life of another human being!

We're human, not an object of nothing!

I cryed hard when people die of health problems and murder, accident, it's terrible to lose a love one and it's terrible to murder someone, it's gruesome and baby inside are innocent do not deserved to be aborted!

That's sad!

Abortion is a necessary evil sometimes.

KarissaMann05 · 05-19-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PePe LePew

It's murder, it's a human baby, not a baby fault!

Suicide is self murder!

Bible said You Must Not Murder!

It's wrong to take the life of another human being!

We're human, not an object of nothing!

I cryed hard when people die of health problems and murder, accident, it's terrible to lose a love one and it's terrible to murder someone, it's gruesome and baby inside are innocent do not deserved to be aborted!

That's sad!

I know what you mean...
Because of we live in a "human selection" world, one other reason, a vaule of life is worthless to anyone who don't believe in all life matters. A life should throw away like a toliet if a person don't have any meaning of his/her life. =/

You know, a few times, I was told by some people that they thought mom should abort me because of my disability and poor qaulity of life. Imagine that, huh?

I am very understand how you feel. I do.

But... Please, remember, you should not tell them what to do. It's her choice to make, even if it is not yours...

LuciaDisturbed · 05-19-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Meggie2

Pro choice...

You're pro-life. Get it right. And admit it.

Pro-life = against abortion.

Pro-choice = support abortion.

It's that simple.

KarissaMann05 · 05-19-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

...I see both of this: Abortion Reasons

POS :
- Save a woman's life.
- She is able to gain her goal.
- She is able to handle her own financial plans for herself.
- She don't have to worry what's happen next.
- A man or woman don't have to pay a child support.
- She can go to college to complete her goal.
- She can have another child if she's ready
- Many things to say.

CON : ( if she have or don't have an abortion)
- Child will be not be here to affact on others.
- Child's future descendant never will be existed.
- Child may be in a poor qaulity of life.
- She and child will be not happy.
- She can't afford child for herself.
- Many things to say.

Add more things to say.

POS:
- Child don't have to deal with a pain experience.
- She can have other child if she's ready to be parent.
- She may not regert her choice and happy with it.

CON:
- She may regert her choice had made.
- She can't get her child back if she changes her mind.
- One or few of her young kids will not be here if she don't abort her older child.
- Abortion tools can damage woman's uterus (sp) and cant have children.
- After had abortion, she may have a miscarriage in future.

Mmm.. I can't think of more.. i'm trying to be netural on both of this...

jillio · 05-19-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

I know what you mean...
Because of we live in a "human selection" world, one other reason, a vaule of life is worthless to anyone who don't believe in all life matters. A life should throw away like a toliet if a person don't have any meaning of his/her life. =/

You know, a few times, I was told by some people that they thought mom should abort me because of my disability and poor qaulity of life. Imagine that, huh?

I am very understand how you feel. I do.

But... Please, remember, you should not tell them what to do. It's her choice to make, even if it is not yours...

The Tibetan monks believe all life matters. But they carry their philosophy into all aspects of life, and do not limit it to the areas that they find most convenient. In other words, sanctity of life applies to all creatures, and they stand by that beleif and practice it daily. They do not eat meat, they do not kill insects, they do not support the death penalty, they do not decide the sanctity of life based on their own value judgements. No matter hopw despicable the acts of another, they do not judge whether than person should live or die. They understand that you cannot claim a pro-life stance in one area, and then turn around and abandon that belief in another area. Until one practices the preservation of all life in the same way that a Tibetan monk does, they cannot claim to be pro-life. They can, at most, claim to be pro-life regarding the issues that follow their specific and often contradictory moral code. At worst, they can only claim, as in the case of abortion, to be anti-abortion. Anti-abortion and pro-life are not the same concepts. In the case of the majority, they are not even on the same logical and moral plane. You find me a person who refuses to judge the value of another's lifestyle, who is vegetarian, who refuses to kill even the lowly housefly, who refuses to support the death penalty even in the most heinious cases, who does not support freedom of choice when it comes to pregnancy, and does not morally condone the taking of any life for any reason, then you have run across a person can rightfully claim to be pro-life. Leave any one of those conditions out, and you have nothing more than someone who wishes to judge the actions of another based on their own moral code. You have a person who believes, above all, that they are so self righteous that they have the obligation to impose their moral stance on others.

jillio · 05-19-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokamuka

You would rather a baby to die a long, slow death rather than prevent it?

That's the greater evil and, certainly, not Christian.

Obviously, few have considered the concept of mercy in this discussion.

CrzyMeg · 05-19-2008, 09:18 PM

I have concept of mercy in this discussion.

KarissaMann05 · 05-19-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The Tibetan monks believe all life matters. But they carry their philosophy into all aspects of life, and do not limit it to the areas that they find most convenient. In other words, sanctity of life applies to all creatures, and they stand by that beleif and practice it daily. They do not eat meat, they do not kill insects, they do not support the death penalty, they do not decide the sanctity of life based on their own value judgements. No matter hopw despicable the acts of another, they do not judge whether than person should live or die. They understand that you cannot claim a pro-life stance in one area, and then turn around and abandon that belief in another area. Until one practices the preservation of all life in the same way that a Tibetan monk does, they cannot claim to be pro-life. They can, at most, claim to be pro-life regarding the issues that follow their specific and often contradictory moral code. At worst, they can only claim, as in the case of abortion, to be anti-abortion. Anti-abortion and pro-life are not the same concepts. In the case of the majority, they are not even on the same logical and moral plane. You find me a person who refuses to judge the value of another's lifestyle, who is vegetarian, who refuses to kill even the lowly housefly, who refuses to support the death penalty even in the most heinious cases, who does not support freedom of choice when it comes to pregnancy, and does not morally condone the taking of any life for any reason, then you have run across a person can rightfully claim to be pro-life. Leave any one of those conditions out, and you have nothing more than someone who wishes to judge the actions of another based on their own moral code. You have a person who believes, above all, that they are so self righteous that they have the obligation to impose their moral stance on others.

You entitled on your opinion.

Bond font - :shakes head: You don't know me at all. I have a pro-choice family because they are so totally pro-choicers. So, don't assmue so much about me. By the way, thanks for correct me about Tibetan monks that I totally forget about that.

EDIT: My personal opinion about "pro-life" ...

Mostly, pro-lifers are portayed as uncaring and inconistent with any belief/religion. Any person who bombs clinics, this person is not a pro-life. Any person who is anti-abortion politician who enforce the death penalty on laws or else, this person is not a pro-life. Any person who, is anti-abortion, threatened people's lives, this person is not a pro-life.

It's too do much more harm than good to our cause...

Because many "pro-lifers" fail to realize what it the word real meaning is... I agreed with her post, #90. Because they are not really a pro-life at all. IMPO. I believe in "consistent life ethic" pro-life rather than just plain anti-abortion pro-life.

shel90 · 05-19-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

Abortion is a necessary evil sometimes.

I totally agree...

Cheri · 05-19-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The Tibetan monks believe all life matters. But they carry their philosophy into all aspects of life, and do not limit it to the areas that they find most convenient. In other words, sanctity of life applies to all creatures, and they stand by that beleif and practice it daily. They do not eat meat, they do not kill insects, they do not support the death penalty, they do not decide the sanctity of life based on their own value judgements. No matter hopw despicable the acts of another, they do not judge whether than person should live or die. They understand that you cannot claim a pro-life stance in one area, and then turn around and abandon that belief in another area. Until one practices the preservation of all life in the same way that a Tibetan monk does, they cannot claim to be pro-life. They can, at most, claim to be pro-life regarding the issues that follow their specific and often contradictory moral code. At worst, they can only claim, as in the case of abortion, to be anti-abortion. Anti-abortion and pro-life are not the same concepts. In the case of the majority, they are not even on the same logical and moral plane. You find me a person who refuses to judge the value of another's lifestyle, who is vegetarian, who refuses to kill even the lowly housefly, who refuses to support the death penalty even in the most heinious cases, who does not support freedom of choice when it comes to pregnancy, and does not morally condone the taking of any life for any reason, then you have run across a person can rightfully claim to be pro-life. Leave any one of those conditions out, and you have nothing more than someone who wishes to judge the actions of another based on their own moral code. You have a person who believes, above all, that they are so self righteous that they have the obligation to impose their moral stance on others.

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Originally Posted by Jillio

Before this thread gets going again, let's all keep in mind that the question is whether you support abortion remaining a legal medical procedure. It is not about whether you trust doctors, and it is not about personal experience. It is about whether you believe women should keep the right to terminate a pregnancy.

It applies the same principal as death penalty, eating meats and killing insects too.

As Liebling stated to not discuss death penalty on this thread.

Oceanbreeze · 05-19-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PePe LePew

It's murder, it's a human baby, not a baby fault!

Suicide is self murder!

Bible said You Must Not Murder!

It's wrong to take the life of another human being!

We're human, not an object of nothing!

I cryed hard when people die of health problems and murder, accident, it's terrible to lose a love one and it's terrible to murder someone, it's gruesome and baby inside are innocent do not deserved to be aborted!

That's sad!

Your ethics aside, we aren't allowed to discuss religion in AD anymore.

jillio · 05-19-2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

You entitled on your opinion.

Bond font - :shakes head: You don't know me at all. I have a pro-choice family because they are so totally pro-choicers. So, don't assmue so much about me. By the way, thanks for correct me about Tibetan monks that I totally forget about that.

EDIT: My personal opinion about "pro-life" ...

Mostly, pro-lifers are portayed as uncaring and inconistent with any belief/religion. Any person who bombs clinics, this person is not a pro-life. Any person who is anti-abortion politician who enforce the death penalty on laws or else, this person is not a pro-life. Any person who, is anti-abortion, threatened people's lives, this person is not a pro-life.

It's too do much more harm than good to our cause...

Because many "pro-lifers" fail to realize what it the word real meaning is... I agreed with her post, #90. Because they are not really a pro-life at all. IMPO. I believe in "consistent life ethic" pro-life rather than just plain anti-abortion pro-life.

And many who claim to have a pro-life stance are uncaring and inconsistent. Hence my example of the Tibetan monks. They are consistent in their beliefs and their practices. Most are not.

I wasn't referring to you personally. You can also be used in a generic way to refer to people.

Oceanbreeze · 05-19-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

Abortion is a necessary evil sometimes.

Someone has been listening to me for far too long!

jillio · 05-19-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

It applies the same principal as death penalty, eating meats and killing insects too.

As Liebling stated to not discuss death penalty on this thread.

If Leibling wishes to correct my post, she is free to do so. And many have already claimed in this thread to be pro-life, so I am not the first one to bring up the label. I was discussing the pro-life stance, and the inconsistencies that most people apply when they voice their opposition to abortion by claiming to be pro-life. The same holds true for killing animals for a food source, or to swatting a fly because it annoys you. If you engage in any of those, you cannot identify yourself as pro-life because there are inconsistencies in your reasoning. Therefore, you do not disagree with a woman's right to choose because you are pro-life, but quite simply because you are anti-abortion and self righteous in nature.

My position stands.

BTW, I just posted in the PTSD thread. Would you like to go there and see of you can find something in my post to object to?

Cheri · 05-20-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

If Leibling wishes to correct my post, she is free to do so. And many have already claimed in this thread to be pro-life, so I am not the first one to bring up the label. I was discussing the pro-life stance, and the inconsistencies that most people apply when they voice their opposition to abortion by claiming to be pro-life. The same holds true for killing animals for a food source, or to swatting a fly because it annoys you. If you engage in any of those, you cannot identify yourself as pro-life because there are inconsistencies in your reasoning. Therefore, you do not disagree with a woman's right to choose because you are pro-life, but quite simply because you are anti-abortion and self righteous in nature.

My position stands.

What makes you God of the universe? If one wants to say they are pro-life, that's within their rights. If one is pro-life on abortion, that's abortion, that's a separate issue, if one is pro-justice on death penalty, that's death penalty. This topic is about an abortion issue.

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BTW, I just posted in the PTSD thread. Would you like to go there and see of you can find something in my post to object to?

Oceanbreeze · 05-20-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

If Leibling wishes to correct my post, she is free to do so. And many have already claimed in this thread to be pro-life, so I am not the first one to bring up the label. I was discussing the pro-life stance, and the inconsistencies that most people apply when they voice their opposition to abortion by claiming to be pro-life. The same holds true for killing animals for a food source, or to swatting a fly because it annoys you. If you engage in any of those, you cannot identify yourself as pro-life because there are inconsistencies in your reasoning. Therefore, you do not disagree with a woman's right to choose because you are pro-life, but quite simply because you are anti-abortion and self righteous in nature.

My position stands.

BTW, I just posted in the PTSD thread. Would you like to go there and see of you can find something in my post to object to?

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