Marijuana VS Alcohol debates - Page 6

Banjo · 05-17-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It's up to the employer or profession to set the rules.

Well, then he shouldn't allow them to smoke pot in your house. It's a matter of priorities. Which is more important to him--friends smoking pot in your house, or keeping his job?

An employer should not be able to impose his/her rules onto their employees' households. If it affects the job performance, then that's a different story.

What is it about people having to be submissive to their employers? It's crazy that someone think it's even acceptable for an employer to do this. An employer pay you to perform tasks and follow the rules on your premises and during their work shifts. An employer shouldn't be able to extend its authority beyond that.

I'm sorry, but I don't think we should be slaves to our employers for the sake of keeping our jobs. That's interfering with a personal life separated from its work life. A person shouldn't have to go around their whole lives worrying about what their employers will do to them if they do this and that.

It's just like the Coke and Pepsi situation. If you are a Pepsi employee caught drinking a Coke product, you can get fired which is a ridiculous thing to do. Don't give me that two-bit crap about loyalty. Do you think a lot of corporations are loyal to their employees? Pfft!

Geez.

shel90 · 05-17-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It depends on the employer's policy, and any additional requirements by that specific industry or profession. Yes, they can make the rules. It's up to the employee or prospective employee to decide if they can put up with those rules.

It's up to the employer or profession to set the rules.

Well, then he shouldn't allow them to smoke pot in your house. It's a matter of priorities. Which is more important to him--friends smoking pot in your house, or keeping his job?

Do you have an employee handbook and/or a copy of your employment contract? That might provide the information you want.

Yes, you are.

Yea, I will check my handbook. This thread has gotten me curious.

My hubby and I don't participate nor do illegal substances. Not worth it and we value our jobs more than them. No, we don't allow friends to do anything illegal in our home but luckily almost none of our friends use illegal substances.

I was just playing Devil's advocate cuz that rule about getting fired if other people do pot in our house. The reason I don't like it cuz we could be unaware if someone was going in the bathroom and lighting up. That was what our former roomates did..we had no idea for over a year until we became suspicous and confronted them. So, if for some reason, they got busted during that year without our knowledge, we wud get into trouble also. I just think that's kinda unfair. Anyone cud stash weed in their purses and bring it in my house without our knowledge. I hope not but the point is why r we held liable for someone's decision to light up? Not expecting an answer but just wondering out loud. Ugh!

jillio · 05-17-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

An employer should not be able to impose his/her rules onto their employees' households. If it affects the job performance, then that's a different story.

What is it about people having to be submissive to their employers? It's crazy that someone think it's even acceptable for an employer to do this. An employer pay you to perform tasks and follow the rules on your premises and during their work shifts. An employer shouldn't be able to extend its authority beyond that.

I'm sorry, but I don't think we should be slaves to our employers for the sake of keeping our jobs. That's interfering with a personal life separated from its work life. A person shouldn't have to go around their whole lives worrying about what their employers will do to them if they do this and that.

It's just like the Coke and Pepsi situation. If you are a Pepsi employee caught drinking a Coke product, you can get fired which is a ridiculous thing to do. Don't give me that two-bit crap about loyalty. Do you think a lot of corporations are loyal to their employees? Pfft!

Geez.

I am in total agreement with you. I personally see across the board mandatory drug testing without reasonable cause to be a violation of privacy rights.

PuyoPiyo · 05-17-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

An employer should not be able to impose his/her rules onto their employees' households. If it affects the job performance, then that's a different story.

What is it about people having to be submissive to their employers? It's crazy that someone think it's even acceptable for an employer to do this. An employer pay you to perform tasks and follow the rules on your premises and during their work shifts. An employer shouldn't be able to extend its authority beyond that.

I'm sorry, but I don't think we should be slaves to our employers for the sake of keeping our jobs. That's interfering with a personal life separated from its work life. A person shouldn't have to go around their whole lives worrying about what their employers will do to them if they do this and that.

It's just like the Coke and Pepsi situation. If you are a Pepsi employee caught drinking a Coke product, you can get fired which is a ridiculous thing to do. Don't give me that two-bit crap about loyalty. Do you think a lot of corporations are loyal to their employees? Pfft!

Geez.

Have to agree with you completely.

Pepsi · 05-17-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

I'm sorry to hear that your husband has put you through all of this but my question to you is this: if you are not happy with him smoking pot, why don't you leave him?

Maybe that will be a "wake-up" call for him.

I have been doing something about it.

***Jolie77*** · 05-17-2008, 07:19 PM

One of my co-worker got caught on 2 counts of trafficking with marijuana. So, of course she was fired from the job. If you were to break a law and to be arrested, that also affects the company's reputation because you're setting an example for this company.

Alcohol vs Marijuana Debate has been ongoing for years and years. Since Alcohol is legal and Marijuana isn't - I'd rather be caught with a cup of beer in my hand rather than a joint.

If I were to be caught with possession of marijuana or any other drug paraphernalia, I could be losing a lot more by, losing my job for one, and not only that, I could be losing my children to the welfare system. That is something I would not want to risk to begin with.

shel90 · 05-17-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie_77

One of my co-worker got caught on 2 counts of trafficking with marijuana. So, of course she was fired from the job. If you were to break a law and to be arrested, that also affects the company's reputation because you're setting an example for this company.

Alcohol vs Marijuana Debate has been ongoing for years and years. Since Alcohol is legal and Marijuana isn't - I'd rather be caught with a cup of beer in my hand rather than a joint.

If I were to be caught with possession of marijuana or any other drug paraphernalia, I could be losing a lot more by, losing my job for one, and not only that, I could be losing my children to the welfare system. That is something I would not want to risk to begin with.

That is why beer is my best friend and marijuana is my enemy!

Reba · 05-18-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

An employer should not be able to impose his/her rules onto their employees' households. If it affects the job performance, then that's a different story.

"If it affects the job performance" is the key. If an employer believes, or if that particular field of industry (such as public transportation) believes that using drugs or alcohol, or having them in the employee's body system during work hours could impact job performance, safety, or legal standing, then the employer has the right to require employees to stay clean.

Normally, those conditions are stated up front, at the time of employment, so it's no shock to the employee when he/she gets caught.

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What is it about people having to be submissive to their employers?

If someone thinks the rules are too onerous then maybe that's not the right job for that someone.

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It's crazy that someone think it's even acceptable for an employer to do this. An employer pay you to perform tasks and follow the rules on your premises and during their work shifts. An employer shouldn't be able to extend its authority beyond that.

The problem is, the effects of drugs and alcohol don't shut off just because someone walks thru the door of their place of employment.

If the school bus driver drank a six-pack at home before starting the afternoon pick up of kids, is that OK? The drinking was at home, right?

If your pharmacist popped some illegal pills at home before heading to the drug store to prepare your prescription, is that OK?

If the mechanic got high at home before going to work on your car's brakes is that OK?

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...It's just like the Coke and Pepsi situation. If you are a Pepsi employee caught drinking a Coke product, you can get fired which is a ridiculous thing to do.

That's not a public safety issue, so that's not comparable to substance abuse.

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Don't give me that two-bit crap about loyalty. Do you think a lot of corporations are loyal to their employees? Pfft!

I never said it had anything to do with corporate loyalty. It's about public safety.

jillio · 05-18-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

"If it affects the job performance" is the key. If an employer believes, or if that particular field of industry (such as public transportation) believes that using drugs or alcohol, or having them in the employee's body system during work hours could impact job performance, safety, or legal standing, then the employer has the right to require employees to stay clean.

Normally, those conditions are stated up front, at the time of employment, so it's no shock to the employee when he/she gets caught.

If someone thinks the rules are too onerous then maybe that's not the right job for that someone.

The problem is, the effects of drugs and alcohol don't shut off just because someone walks thru the door of their place of employment.

If the school bus driver drank a six-pack at home before starting the afternoon pick up of kids, is that OK? The drinking was at home, right?

If your pharmacist popped some illegal pills at home before heading to the drug store to prepare your prescription, is that OK?

If the mechanic got high at home before going to work on your car's brakes is that OK?

That's not a public safety issue, so that's not comparable to substance abuse.

I never said it had anything to do with corporate loyalty. It's about public safety.

But shouldn't we also consider the level of the substance found in the blood. If, for instance, someone drank a beer 6 hours ago, there would still be ethanol detectable in the blood stream, even though the level is not high enough to impair either functioning or judgement. Likewise, someone who took a hit off of a marijuana joint 30 days ago will still show THC in the blood and urine. But the chance of them still being high 30 days later is nonexistent.

Reba · 05-18-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

But shouldn't we also consider the level of the substance found in the blood. If, for instance, someone drank a beer 6 hours ago, there would still be ethanol detectable in the blood stream, even though the level is not high enough to impair either functioning or judgement. Likewise, someone who took a hit off of a marijuana joint 30 days ago will still show THC in the blood and urine. But the chance of them still being high 30 days later is nonexistent.

It's up to the employer or agency responsible to set the standards. It probably varies depending on each organization.

There are all kinds of rules about who gets tested, when, and how. There is no one standard.

Some people get tested pre-employment across the board, some get random testing, some get tested only after accidents occur, some get tested during sweeps; lots of variation.

When I was in the military, it was random. You never knew when they would do tests, and the "donors" were selected by the last digit in your SSN, and that was chosen at random. Once you were selected, you had to stay in the head until you gave, no matter how long it took. If you couldn't go, you stayed in there and drank water until you had to go. In the military, we had to be "observed for positive flow", and the tester would touch the container to check the warmth. Chain of custody was very important. I'd rather get tested than be an observer, but I've done both. Ugh!

Also, if anyone tested positive, they had to be checked again for a second positive. No one could be convicted without two positives in a row.

I don't know what the rules are now.

Liebling:-))) · 05-18-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

And I just realized that I haven't post anything about my experience with the drugs, I thought I did... Guess I am going to start here.

When I was 12 years old, that is my first time to smoke the marijuana and also the alcohol too, including smoking the cigarettes, I start those to make new friends because I lose most of my friends after the school districts seperating the students, plus my ex girlfriend's foster parents stop me from seeing her, it's just a depression experience.

But after those, when I became 14 which I went to the high school for first time, I became a regular smoker, pothead, and alcoholism, I have been through so many troubles with my parents and the school, even with the governments such like being caught, drugs, run away, skipping the school, stealing, sneak during after midnight, fighting, etc.

Since I have been like that, I have been becoming fearless against my parents, the drugs, being depression, making troubles, the school, etc and till I became 15, I tried the magic shroom and the PCP, both once and then when I became 16, I finally end up as crackhead and I became even worst than ever, I just kept fighting with parents everyday, even some of them was physically fighting, stealing all the times, lying to everyone even to my own friends too, being around with dangerous people in black market, etc and I was forced to go to the treatment.

Treatment helped me so much about the drugs and made me realized so many mistakes that I have done with the drugs, including those that I cause troubles with others, since the treatment was over when I was nearly 17 years old, I haven't go back to the crack or any heavy drugs except for the alcohol or marijuana, but my use of alcohol and marijuana have reduced since then. I also haven't steal anything or cause any troubles, only except skipping the school that's all.

First of all, I want to

you for share your experience. It´s good to know that you know how to limit with your strong willing.

I would say that your experience is bit opposite to my sister. I have my experience, too is my sister. She addict to the drugs until she ends her life to methadone at 2 years ago. I posted the story about her on my threads.

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/...ck-cocain.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/pictures-vide...s-artwork.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/...-liebling.html

The reason is I created the threads is because I want the people aware about the drug issues.

My sister started smoke tabacoo when she was 9 years old until she tried smoking pot (including marijuana) when she just had 3rd child. Her partner (now ex) knows how to limit himself when he want to smoke kind of weeds. Of course he taught my sister to smoke kind of weeds including marijuna... My sister said to me & my hubby to try it but we refused... They tried to convince us that smoking weeds is much better than smoking tabacoo. She started to addict more and more after tried kind of weeds... and then alcohol. She thought alcohol helps her to get drugs off of her mind but it doesn´t work. Read further at links of my threads...... She have no problem with alcohol but severe problem to rid of drugs... She tried dozen of times to be clean but it doesn´t work... She told me HERSELF that she do wish to stick tabacoo instead of tried kind of weeds including marijuna in first place... after try drugs... not enough then more drug... up to herion... She want to be clean... she tried methadone to rid of drug addiction... Therefore she addicted methadone and then overdose to end her life.

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As my personal experiences, the marijuana are the most safest drug I have tried than any other of the drugs

Sorry, I has to disagree that marijuna are the safest drug. I withnessed my sister´s experience. It make her addict more and more... I would say all drugs are not safety and could affect health.

jillio · 05-18-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

First of all, I want to

you for share your experience. It´s good to know that you know how to limit with your strong willing.

I would say that your experience is bit opposite to my sister. I have my experience, too is my sister. She addict to the drugs until she ends her life to methadone at 2 years ago. I posted the story about her on my threads.

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/...ck-cocain.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/pictures-vide...s-artwork.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/...-liebling.html

The reason is I created the threads is because I want the people aware about the drug issues.

My sister started smoke tabacoo when she was 9 years old until she tried smoking pot (including marijuana) when she just had 3rd child. Her partner (now ex) knows how to limit himself when he want to smoke kind of weeds. Of course he taught my sister to smoke kind of weeds including marijuna... My sister said to me & my hubby to try it but we refused... They tried to convince us that smoking weeds is much better than smoking tabacoo. She started to addict more and more after tried kind of weeds... and then alcohol. She thought alcohol helps her to get drugs off of her mind but it doesn´t work. Read further at links of my threads...... She have no problem with alcohol but severe problem to rid of drugs... She tried dozen of times to be clean but it doesn´t work... She told me HERSELF that she do wish to stick tabacoo instead of tried kind of weeds including marijuna in first place... after try drugs... not enough then more drug... up to herion... She want to be clean... she tried methadone to rid of drug addiction... Therefore she addicted methadone and then overdose to end her life.

Sorry, I has to disagree that marijuna are the safest drug. I withnessed my sister´s experience. It make her addict more and more... I would say all drugs are not safety and could affect health.

As much as I sympathize with your tragedy, Liebling, please try to keep in mind that it wasn't the marijuana that was responsible. It was your sister's addictive personality. Most marijuana smokers do not go on to use heroin, or any other drugs. For her, marijuana was dangerous, but chances are very good, with an addictive personality, she would have ended up using harder drugs even if she had never smoked marijuana. That is not to say that this wasn't a tragedy for your sister, and for your whole family. Your pain is justified. I understand your feelings. I just don't think that marijuana caused the problems. Just like some people drink alcohol for many years, but never become an alcoholic because they do not have a genetic predispositon to addiction, somepeople can smoke marijuana for years and never become addicted or move to harder drugs to satisfy their addictive tendencies.

Liebling:-))) · 05-18-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinky678

I used to smoke weed before. I never get any panic when I get high. Yeah I do laugh for no reason but my friends being funny too. It's same as alcohol do laugh.

You do laugh or panic when you tried one but alcohol doesn´t when I tried one glass of wine. Yes, I would get crazy and laugh a lot when I drink more than 2 glass of wines but not just one.

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You said marijuana cause panic. It depend on people who do marijuana abuse can cause screw up their brain. Everyone are different. The most marijuana do have common with behave, relax, sit down and being lazy, do creative on arts or do work on cars.

Yes but it doesn´t same with alcohol. I don´t feel being lazy when I drink one glass of wine but relax.

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Meth can cause worse panic than marijuana and alcohol

No, do not blame meth or ANY drugs, alcohol itself but blame the people who abuse drugs and alcohol.

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I do drink a wine for relax because I had been stress out on wedding plan. I need to be relax with a glass of wine and bubble the bathtub. My family and my fiance's family do drink alcohol. I never see anyone get into fighting

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Yes, me too.

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You think marijuana is fried in brain?? I am telling you about something. I read about Brain Chemistry of drugs user addictive for many years. The worst is Esctasy, METH, Crack Cocaine, Cocaine and Heroin more than Marijuana and Alcohol. Meth is the worst!!!!! It can cause brain, kidney, lungs, liver damage! Also can cause fast aging, rotten teeth and skinny! Meth is the worst than all drugs. Even Meth is dangerous with material and can harm the children. Go check it out. It's so rotten!!!!

Again, no... it´s no excuse to blame any drugs and alcohol itself but the people themselves who abuse them. Yes, any drugs and alcohol affect your health if you abuse them.

Liebling:-))) · 05-18-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

As much as I sympathize with your tragedy, Liebling, please try to keep in mind that it wasn't the marijuana that was responsible. It was your sister's addictive personality. Most marijuana smokers do not go on to use heroin, or any other drugs. For her, marijuana was dangerous, but chances are very good, with an addictive personality, she would have ended up using harder drugs even if she had never smoked marijuana. That is not to say that this wasn't a tragedy for your sister, and for your whole family. Your pain is justified. I understand your feelings. I just don't think that marijuana caused the problems.

Yes, I has to agree with you on this... like what I said in my previous post that my sister´s ex partner who know how to limit the kind of weeds if he want to smoke but my sister doesn´t. Sadly she choose to abuse it. I only shared what she described her own experience after tried drugs... and then regret and wish to stick tabacoo...

jillio · 05-18-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes, I has to agree with you on this... like what I said in my previous post that my sister´s ex partner who know how to limit the kind of weeds if he want to smoke but my sister doesn´t. Sadly she choose to abuse it. I only shared what she described her own experience after tried drugs... and then regret and wish to stick tabacoo...

Yes. Again, I am very sorry for the hardship that you and your family went through, and for the loss of your sister. It is very difficult to watch a loved one destroy themselves in that way, and it affects the whole family. Addiction is a terrible disease.

Liebling:-))) · 05-18-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Yes. Again, I am very sorry for the hardship that you and your family went through, and for the loss of your sister. It is very difficult to watch a loved one destroy themselves in that way, and it affects the whole family. Addiction is a terrible disease.

for nice thoughtful. Yes it´s very hard.... when we tried so hard for years... I still miss her terrible... I keep ask to myself... why why why... Yes we know that she tried very hard to be clean but it doesn´t work so she took medathene and thought it helps her to be clean but she addicted on it and then end her life...

Yes, addiction is a worst disease....

Foxrac · 05-18-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Alcohol damages your dendrites.

I'm not concern about that because of not drink so much, I usually drink on occasion day for formal cup of wine.

Foxrac · 05-18-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Exactly.. It's not fair to fire people for using the marijuana while they allow heavy alcoholism to continue working.

Well I prefer the marijuana because it didn't make me vomit, grumpy, foamy in the stomach, etc. Many people have different preferrance.

Sorry for debating unnecessary about the meth, but I do use marijuana on and off, including the alcohol, also are smoker since I was 14 years old.

Yup, that right about we have different preference.

Liebling:-))) · 05-18-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinky678

Excuse me?? I never try METH! No thank! My friends done it before. THey warned me. I am glad that they are care about me. You think I done??

I am not interesting into METH! I never see a real meth in my whole life. I swear it! I did smoke weed before. I stopped it because my fiance changed my life. You should read my thread! I just want to share with everyone for information. This thread thought Marijuana is worse. I was alike huh?? No! I told them Meth is worst than Marijuana, Alcohol, cigarette and other drugs. You get it? I did research anything. I knew it. I ain't stupid!

Thanks to your fiance for change your life. If he was not around then you would addict on drugs. Right?

Meth? I think heroin, cocaine and methadone are the most dangerous drugs than other drugs. I know methadone is good to rid of drug addiction only if you drink very limit but it would kill you real fast when you addict and overdose it.

Anyway, it´s people themselves who choose to abuse them. My sister tried kind of weeds up to cocaine, heroin then methadone.

Cowpuppy · 05-18-2008, 01:41 PM

Weed alone won't make one violent. Au contraire.

Liebling:-))) · 05-18-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Alcohol damages your dendrites.

Yes, if you drink immoderately or abuse alcohol. Like what I said before to not blame drugs and alcohol itself but it´s human who choose to abuse them.

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05-17-2008, 07:19 PM	#156 (permalink)
*Jolie77* Love all, trust a few. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kentucky, USA (The Bluegrass State) Posts: 5,537	One of my co-worker got caught on 2 counts of trafficking with marijuana. So, of course she was fired from the job. If you were to break a law and to be arrested, that also affects the company's reputation because you're setting an example for this company. Alcohol vs Marijuana Debate has been ongoing for years and years. Since Alcohol is legal and Marijuana isn't - I'd rather be caught with a cup of beer in my hand rather than a joint. If I were to be caught with possession of marijuana or any other drug paraphernalia, I could be losing a lot more by, losing my job for one, and not only that, I could be losing my children to the welfare system. That is something I would not want to risk to begin with.

05-18-2008, 01:41 PM	#170 (permalink)
Cowpuppy Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On The Road Again Posts: 375	Weed alone won't make one violent. Au contraire.