Gun Law - Page 2

**Jolie77** · 05-06-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

One correction . . . according to the Constitution, gun ownership is a right, not a privilege.

Thank you for the correction.

What I was saying is - Even though gun ownership is a right, it should be used with accord rather than "abusing" it. I'm not saying all gun owners are like that but some of them over-do it.

**Phillips** · 05-06-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

hey! you gota explain your stance!

haha

ok ok ... I vote reason ...

Possible Black Bear or nasty animals.... also umm something serious happen enter my property

However, I was considering about buy Paintball gun!!

**Jiro** · 05-06-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie_77

Thank you for the correction.

What I was saying is - Even though gun ownership is a right, it should be used with accord rather than "abusing" it. I'm not saying all gun owners are like that but some of them over-do it.

nonsense... typical of people getting scared over something that is statistically insignificant. It BAFFLES me why people who are anti-gun or overly concerned with guns choose to focus on misuse/abuse by legal gun owners rather than criminals with ILLEGAL guns. Tune into 11PM news and you usually hear about crimes involving ILLEGAL guns EVERY SINGLE DAY - usually gang-related, robbery, etc. But you don't quite often hear in news like mall shooting or school shooting everyday, don't you?

I just don't get it....

PowerON · 05-06-2008, 08:47 PM

if gun ban during Thirteen colony, United State of America would NEVER EXIST. Hope you two, who vote "BAN GUN", have learn the part of history which reason it become the 2nd Amendment.

**Jiro** · 05-11-2008, 05:30 AM

Now that's how you do the justice!

< click here for site > Fort Worth Donut Shop Robber Shot & Killed

Randal (lucky victim), who says this morning's robbery was the second in two weeks, is grateful her neighbor was there. "If my neighbor no come, what is gone happen? I might die." According to Fort Worth police Lane (deceased robber) was armed with a BB gun rifle during the robbery. State records indicate Lane had an extensive criminal history, including aggravated assault and aggravated robbery.

NJ needs to lighten up its gun restrictions especially for CCW!!!

I live in North-eastern side of NJ which is pretty safe but there are HANDFUL of towns within 20 min of me such as Newark, Jersey City, etc. that are NOT safe at all. LOT of muggings! I commute/work there. Even cops do not respond immediately until an hour later or so. If you recall from last year, 4 students were killed in execution-style in Newark. unbelievable. The only weapon I have to protect myself is MACE which is somewhat useless.

Cowpuppy · 05-11-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Thanks for your input! Your last sentence - "The only reason gun laws has became stricter is because of how people have been abusing the privilege to own a gun" is the most common reason for stricter gun law. In my opinion, I believe it's just those overly-sensitive liberals who think there are too many bad people and are just easily afraid of everything - ban violent movies/tv, ban all drugs, ban guns, ban ban ban. I believe that if criminals TEND not to commit gun-related crimes in armed neighborhood. It's already proven that city/town with most restrictive gun laws have much more crimes than less restricted. Maybe I should clarify what I meant about "highly restrictive" means.

They allow you to own a gun due to Amendment 2 but they make it so restrictive by making you liable to any shooting occurred by you even in case of self-defense, CCW is usually not allowable, and making it extremely expensive - high fees, high cost of bullets, etc.

What I want is - allow guns and less restriction but stricter requirements - extensive training and clean mental history. I do not want people behind me in the line at CVS to have one. I'm comfortable with selected, competent, well-trained citizens carrying it around.

The cases of people who own guns abusing the privileges are quite rare and we all know media likes to over-exaggerate anything like shark attacks which are also VERY rare. It's the criminals who own the guns ILLEGALLY that made public think banning guns will fix it. We can't even own stun gun or pepper spray especially in NY. How are we supposed to defend ourself? call 911? by the time they come, you're already dead. in fact - cops are not obliged by laws to rescue you.

Once again....the tail wagging the dog.....you claim that it is proven that cities with more restrictions are higher in crime. Statistics may show this but perhaps the restrictions were put into pace because of the high crime.
Grandstanding and exageration to claim something as fact. You have to look at the whole picture...not just what you want to see.

Rainshower77 · 05-11-2008, 09:02 AM

one thing I don't agree with is banned guns from people with a history of being mental ill but no criminal record or broken the laws due to their mental illness. (like stalking, hitting, harrassing, neglecting especially toward their children etc)

It's like banning driving from elderly before they even crash or broke the laws. That they are not allow to drive because of their age.

I am always afraid people will not get help out of fear they will lose their gun rights... or any rights. People like being treated equally. I always feel that if someone have a mental illness, check if they done any irrational behaviors due to their mental illness that is usually against the laws before taking gun rights away from them. Make it very hard to destroy their rights to own guns.

most killing you hear is usually done by someone they know... and if guns not available, they will find something else like strangling, drowning, knives, etc.

Rainshower77 · 05-11-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowpuppy

Once again....the tail wagging the dog.....you claim that it is proven that cities with more restrictions are higher in crime. Statistics may show this but perhaps the restrictions were put into pace because of the high crime.
Grandstanding and exageration to claim something as fact. You have to look at the whole picture...not just what you want to see.

If there is high crimes, then I have the rights to protect myself as polices are not there to protect me.

jillio · 05-11-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainshower77

If there is high crimes, then I have the rights to protect myself as polices are not there to protect me.

You do have the right to protect yourself and your property. But you don't have the right to take the law into your own hands, nor do you have the right to shoot another unless your life is in danger.

Cowpuppy · 05-11-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainshower77

If there is high crimes, then I have the rights to protect myself as polices are not there to protect me.

My post did not say which way I vote on it.

**Jiro** · 05-11-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowpuppy

Once again....the tail wagging the dog.....you claim that it is proven that cities with more restrictions are higher in crime. Statistics may show this but perhaps the restrictions were put into pace because of the high crime.
Grandstanding and exageration to claim something as fact. You have to look at the whole picture...not just what you want to see.

the restrictions were put into place because of liberals, silly. everybody knows that. NJ-NY-MA = the most liberal states ever and full of hypocritical elitists. I had an opportunity to know this fellow man who is the police officer and President of ANJRPC (Association of NJ Rifle & Pistol Clubs) at Cherry Ridge, NJ. I can't remember his name but his booklet's in my car trunk. He is a staunch believer in Amendment 2 and CCW.

There were 2 great articles in newsletter so I'll find it for you later after I take my mother out for Mother's Day dinner.

**Jiro** · 05-11-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

You do have the right to protect yourself and your property. But you don't have the right to take the law into your own hands, nor do you have the right to shoot another unless your life is in danger.

I suppose you wouldn't say that if you were at Dunkin' Donut being robbed at gun point and being assaulted. Oh my life's not in danger.. but I see your life is in danger... oh well tough luck. let the cops deal with it. <go back to watching ESPN>

Actually - we do have rights to take the law into our own hands. Police Officers are merely hired by taxpayers to enforce it for us just as much as we hire plumber to fix our clogging toilets. The law says it is a crime to rob and Randall broke the law. The neighbor saw it and took appropriate action to enforce the law and to respond under the Good Samaritan law (perhaps).

He beat up the little Asian lady and made her think she was going to be killed. Here's a tip. Don't beat up and rob women, and you won't be shot by a legal gun owner. Sorry, but I can't make any promises about the criminals, because apparently they're not real big on the whole "obeying the law" thing. Not even gun laws apparently, which was really surprising. It's not about good vs. evil. It's about armed robbery and the implied threat of death. They didn't know it was a fake gun, they just knew a criminal was there with a gun. Should they wait to see if the criminal with the gun is going to shoot them on the way out? Why should they have to guess? The criminal brought this on himself, by threating lethal force by carrying the weapon into the robbery with him.

It's funny, Jillio, that you prefer the police officers to take the laws into their own hands and they have killed more innocents than armed citizens (which I've already proved to you). They beat up people, even kids. Such a displacement of responsibility...

To me - The greatest crime to humanity is not responding to those who needs help. Confucius say: "If my neighbor no come, what is gone happen? I might die."

You repeatedly forget that most armed citizens with CCW have EXTENSIVE EXTENSIVE EXTENSIVE continuing trainings in self-defense and marksmanship than police officers who get re-certified training every two years (correct me if I'm wrong). You think it's horrible that a neighbor took this matter to his own hands and killed the armed robber. Take a look at NYPD shooting 50+ at one allegedly armed guy. oh yea - multiply that case by 10x. Ever heard in news about armed citizen shooting 40x at robber? I think not.

take a look at bottom and tell me if you think if it's real or fake

answer - it's a fake

**Jiro** · 05-11-2008, 02:14 PM

just a joke...

Didn't he know how we make Donuts in Texas?

Texans throw the raw dough into the air,
and shoot a hole through it as it falls into the grease.

"I'll have a dozen Black Talon hollow point glazed donuts, please..."

**Reba** · 06-19-2008, 06:26 PM

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Gun Beats Bomb in Bank Robbery

(WXYZ)MICHIGAN -- An attempted bank robbery in Canton played out like a scene from a movie Monday when a man who police say claimed to have a bomb was stopped by a customer armed with a pistol.

The drama started just after the Comerica bank on Michigan Ave. opened around 9 a.m. Police say 54-year-old man Joseph Webster from Washtenaw County walked up to a teller and handed her a note claiming he had a bomb strapped to his body.

The fast-thinking teller hit the silent alarm while filling a bag with $1 bills -- until, police say, Webster demanded "bands of 50s and 100s." Another teller saw the situation unfolding and alerted Nabil Fawzi, 39, a long-time customer.

Fawzi, who spent six years in the Lebanese army, took matters into his own hands.

He tells WXYZ.com he pulled out a 9 mm handgun (for which he had a CCW permit), racked a bullet in the chamber, pointed it at Webster and announced, "You are not robbing this bank!"

The startled Webster countered with, "but, I have a bomb" -- but Fawzi wasn't impressed. "I don't care. You are not robbing this bank!" was the reply from the other side of the gun. He then forced the Webster into a chair and held him at gunpoint until police arrived.

Police tell WXYZ.com there were no injuries, no issues with Fawzi's CCW permit, and no bomb found at the scene.

Webster was arraigned Tuesday afternoon and charged with one count of bank robbery, one count of armed robbery, and a habitual third offense. He faces 25 years to life in prison.

Thumbs up.

**Jiro** · 06-19-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Thumbs up.

LOL "but I have the bomb...."

**Reba** · 06-19-2008, 07:18 PM

Oops! I forget the link.

Here it is:

UPDATE: Gun Beats Bomb in Bank Robbery || WXYZ.com | WXYZ-TV / Detroit | Detroit News, Weather, Sports and More

Texan Guy · 06-23-2008, 01:56 PM

I voted allow guns (legally) and less restrictive. It's all about 2nd Amendment, baby!

Really, I'm a gun lover (about 10 firearms and still counting) and willing to defend my family from the wicked, evil people who tried to take or kill from us. And soon, I'm going to join the NRA and TRA. When I'm going to be 21, I'm gonna take a concealed handgun licence class.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Texan Guy

I voted allow guns (legally) and less restrictive. It's all about 2nd Amendment, baby!

Really, I'm a gun lover (about 10 firearms and still counting) and willing to defend my family from the wicked, evil people who tried to take or kill from us. And soon, I'm going to join the NRA and TRA.

i'm surprised you didn't join NRA earlier with these 10 guns. I just joined couple weeks ago. well it's never too late!

Texan Guy · 06-23-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

i'm surprised you didn't join NRA earlier with these 10 guns. I just joined couple weeks ago. well it's never too late!

Soon, my friend, soon I will join the NRA, period.

Tousi · 06-23-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Texan Guy

Soon, my friend, soon I will join the NRA, period.

When I was growing up, my Dad and I were NRA members for two reasons: 1. For the content of their magazine. 2. Subscription came with a life insurance policy.

**Liebling:-)))** · 06-24-2008, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Texan Guy

I voted allow guns (legally) and less restrictive. It's all about 2nd Amendment, baby!

Really, I'm a gun lover (about 10 firearms and still counting) and willing to defend my family from the wicked, evil people who tried to take or kill from us. And soon, I'm going to join the NRA and TRA. When I'm going to be 21, I'm gonna take a concealed handgun licence class.

10?

your comment make me

Can you care to explain what's this abbrevation word "NRA" and "TRA" stand for?

**Jiro** · 06-24-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

10?

your comment make me

Can you care to explain what's this abbrevation word "NRA" and "TRA" stand for?

why

? We don't kill people. NRA = National Rifle Association. National Rifle Association - NRA Website Gateway I'm assuming TRA is the Texas-based of NRA - Texas Rifle Association. It's all about sportsmanship.

SCBassist · 06-24-2008, 01:50 AM

I personally gave up guns for an interest in bass playing. Hunting innocent animals is a joke. What's so interesting about launching a projectile from point A to point B? If I wanted to use one, I would have joined the Marines (for example) where its use is justified.

Hwy99 · 06-24-2008, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SCBassist

I personally gave up guns for an interest in bass playing. Hunting innocent animals is a joke. What's so interesting about launching a projectile from point A to point B? If I wanted to use one, I would have joined the Marines (for example) where its use is justified.

Yea me too, I don't support the guns to kill innocent animals except for protection.

**Jiro** · 06-24-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SCBassist

I personally gave up guns for an interest in bass playing. Hunting innocent animals is a joke. What's so interesting about launching a projectile from point A to point B? If I wanted to use one, I would have joined the Marines (for example) where its use is justified.

no need to hunt animals. you can do target shooting with some objects - clay shooting, plastic, bottles, paper target, etc. I don't hunt animals.

**Liebling:-)))** · 06-24-2008, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

why

? We don't kill people. NRA = National Rifle Association. National Rifle Association - NRA Website Gateway I'm assuming TRA is the Texas-based of NRA - Texas Rifle Association. It's all about sportsmanship.

I mean 10???? Why 10???? one to two is good enough.

for link...

**Liebling:-)))** · 06-24-2008, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SCBassist
I personally gave up guns for an interest in bass playing. Hunting innocent animals is a joke. What's so interesting about launching a projectile from point A to point B? If I wanted to use one, I would have joined the Marines (for example) where its use is justified.

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Yea me too, I don't support the guns to kill innocent animals except for protection.

Yeah, me too.

I don't beleive in hunting innocent animals out of pleasure.

**Cheri** · 06-24-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

But that doesn't make much difference. What if I lied about having legitimated reason to own one? And mind you - I've repeatedly said that the people with mental history CANNOT own guns by law and all gun purchases are LEGAL & LICENSED.

How can you be certain that Licensed gun Dealers are not selling guns illegally in order to stay in business? Because from what I've heard that one gun shop owner was sentenced to prison for violating numerous federal firearms laws by selling guns to convicted felons.

**Jiro** · 06-24-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I mean 10???? Why 10???? one to two is good enough.

for link...

that's like saying - 1-2 purses are good enough.... 1-2 pairs of shoes are good enough...

I know - not a same thing but similar concept... we're MEN!

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Originally Posted by Cheri

How can you be certain that Licensed gun Dealers are not selling guns illegally in order to stay in business? Because from what I've heard that one gun shop owner was sentenced to prison for violating numerous federal firearms laws by selling guns to convicted felons.

same thing - how we can be certain that our school teachers or certified nanny do not have criminal record like pedophilia? We can never be certain but it's only matter of time till they get caught. Licensed gun dealer selling guns illegally is not a widespread problem and beside - it's difficult to make a lucrative profits from it because the word will get around and there could be undercover ATF posing as an interested convicted buyer.

btw - hi Cheri! been a long while!

**Cheri** · 06-24-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

same thing - how we can be certain that our school teachers or certified nanny do not have criminal record like pedophilia? We can never be certain but it's only matter of time till they get caught. Licensed gun dealer selling guns illegally is not a widespread problem and beside - it's difficult to make a lucrative profits from it because the word will get around and there could be undercover ATF posing as an interested convicted buyer.

btw - hi Cheri! been a long while!

Yea, I know-- that's if they do an undercover investigation. But it doesn't change the fact that it puts innocent people in jeopardy when selling guns illegally. In my opinion, I think a cop or two should work at all licensed gun stores.

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05-06-2008, 08:47 PM	#34 (permalink)
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05-11-2008, 05:30 AM	#35 (permalink)
Jiro Aparecium Deletrius Legil Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 60,502	Now that's how you do the justice! < click here for site > Fort Worth Donut Shop Robber Shot & Killed Randal (lucky victim), who says this morning's robbery was the second in two weeks, is grateful her neighbor was there. "If my neighbor no come, what is gone happen? I might die." According to Fort Worth police Lane (deceased robber) was armed with a BB gun rifle during the robbery. State records indicate Lane had an extensive criminal history, including aggravated assault and aggravated robbery. NJ needs to lighten up its gun restrictions especially for CCW!!! I live in North-eastern side of NJ which is pretty safe but there are HANDFUL of towns within 20 min of me such as Newark, Jersey City, etc. that are NOT safe at all. LOT of muggings! I commute/work there. Even cops do not respond immediately until an hour later or so. If you recall from last year, 4 students were killed in execution-style in Newark. unbelievable. The only weapon I have to protect myself is MACE which is somewhat useless.

05-11-2008, 09:02 AM	#37 (permalink)
Rainshower77 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 91	one thing I don't agree with is banned guns from people with a history of being mental ill but no criminal record or broken the laws due to their mental illness. (like stalking, hitting, harrassing, neglecting especially toward their children etc) It's like banning driving from elderly before they even crash or broke the laws. That they are not allow to drive because of their age. I am always afraid people will not get help out of fear they will lose their gun rights... or any rights. People like being treated equally. I always feel that if someone have a mental illness, check if they done any irrational behaviors due to their mental illness that is usually against the laws before taking gun rights away from them. Make it very hard to destroy their rights to own guns. most killing you hear is usually done by someone they know... and if guns not available, they will find something else like strangling, drowning, knives, etc.

05-11-2008, 02:14 PM	#43 (permalink)
Jiro Aparecium Deletrius Legil Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 60,502	just a joke... Didn't he know how we make Donuts in Texas? Texans throw the raw dough into the air, and shoot a hole through it as it falls into the grease. "I'll have a dozen Black Talon hollow point glazed donuts, please..."

06-19-2008, 07:18 PM	#46 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,138	Oops! I forget the link. Here it is: UPDATE: Gun Beats Bomb in Bank Robbery \|\| WXYZ.com \| WXYZ-TV / Detroit \| Detroit News, Weather, Sports and More