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Oceanbreeze · 05-17-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

Whoa... Wait a min. If Cheri tells the truth, then my mother tells the same thing. My mom was there. My mom told me that she sobbed over her own choice had taken away by my grandmother when she was only almost passed 12 weeks pregnant. She was only 16. Like Cheri said, abortionist didn't care about a girl or fetus. It's about money.

But.. Is it not allowed to express an abortion story in here?

Nobody said that, Jessie. But, if someone is willing share such details on a forum, they should be willing to answer questions, too, and do so without being snide about it.

Oceanbreeze · 05-17-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

Mmm.. it seems a little sexist thing to do. I meant, for example, what if a boy and his girl have a sex and B.C. don't work well. She keeps her baby so boy have to pay child support. That boy leave her for it, later, he get another girl pregnant when B.C. don't work again. Now, he have to pay his other child support because the other girl keep her baby. To me, it's kinda of too much on men/boys, it's not matter if it is a minor or big-deal reason.

Just thought.

If a guy isn't willing to support his child, he shouldn't be having sex without protection. If that protection fails, then someone needs to use a different form of protection or stop sleeping around with every woman he sees.

KarissaMann05 · 05-17-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Nobody said that, Jessie. But, if someone is willing share such details on a forum, they should be willing to answer questions, too, and do so without being snide about it.

With this?

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It's not an accusation, It had happened to me. So back off, Jillio, I don't want your insensitive opinion.

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Then, you shouldn't have opened yourself up to inquiry by stating "It happened to me." Don't make statements you're not willing to stand behind.

That point, some pro-life/pro-choice people witnessed in their real life yet *some* pro-choicers put 'em down. Because they don't want to listen their truths.

My mom is heavily pro-choice. If you think Cheri made an "accusation", then you should call my mom as "accusation" for it. If you think Cheri knew nothing, then, definitely, my mom don't know about it, too. Besides, if you call Cheri "snippy" then you should call my mom "snippy" too.

Just... don't flaming on Cheri who had witnessed her life before. My mom was threre too.

KarissaMann05 · 05-17-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

If a guy isn't willing to support his child, he shouldn't be having sex without protection. If that protection fails, then someone needs to use a different form of protection or stop sleeping around with every woman he sees.

I understand your opinion. I personally think both father and mother should pay a child support together rather than one person pay for it.

Sometimes, some women can use a baby as weapon on some men.

Oceanbreeze · 05-17-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

With this?

That point, some pro-life/pro-choice people witnessed in their real life yet *some* pro-choicers put 'em down. Because they don't want to listen their truths.

My mom is heavily pro-choice. If you think Cheri made an "accusation", then you should call my mom as "accusation" for it. If you think Cheri knew nothing, then, definitely, my mom don't know about it, too. Besides, if you call Cheri "snippy" then you should call my mom "snippy" too.

Just... don't flaming on Cheri who had witnessed her life before. My mom was threre too.

WIth all due respect Jessie, you really do need to go back and re-read what everybody is saying. Cheri chose to bring her personal experience into the thread, and it was Cheri who barked at Jillio first. Jillio (or anybody else) has the same right to question her, you, me or anybody if they so choose. If that upsets you, I'm sorry, but that's the way I see it.

KarissaMann05 · 05-17-2008, 08:57 PM

No. :shakes head:

Cheri said, "Trust me, some abortionist if not most are lawbreakers. I've live to witness it. It's all about money to them, they don't care about you, or the fetus."

"It's not an accusation, It had happened to me. So back off, Jillio, I don't want your insensitive opinion."

That point, Cheri was there to see what happened at clinic. I knew it is not a lie. I already mentioned about my mother.

That point, Cheri was probably attacked by Jillio and other ADer in my thread (what's a prolife?). I'm not sure.. I don't know. But, why is it really need to use a question to attack her experience of abortion story when she told the truth?

Then she said, "Can you substantiate that accusation?" It seems Jillio was still refused to believe her abortion story.

If anybody else prefer to see me stay quiet.. No, I'm not going to back off and say nothing while Cheri was attacked for all good.

highlands · 05-17-2008, 09:08 PM

Enough is enough.. Don't attack on Cheri so bad please..That's not fair.. She had a very bad experience on abortion.. This is too hard for her.

Oceanbreeze · 05-17-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by highlands

Enough is enough.. Don't attack on Cheri so bad please..That's not fair.. She had a very bad experience on abortion.. This is too hard for her.

If it was "so hard for her", she shouldn't have brought it up. This is a forum where we can express our views. All of us, but we are also free to question somebody. If something is personal enough to upset someone, it shouldn't be discussed. Cheri chose to bring her experience into this, and someone questioned her about it. Cheri can't pick and choose what is being said. She is free to decline to answer, but she doesn't have to be snotty about it.

highlands · 05-17-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

If it was "so hard for her", she shouldn't have brought it up. This is a forum where we can express our views. All of us, but we are also free to question somebody. If something is personal enough to upset someone, it shouldn't be discussed. Cheri chose to bring her experience into this, and someone questioned her about it. Cheri can't pick and choose what is being said. She is free to decline to answer, but she doesn't have to be snotty about it.

You can't insult or bash her here... You have made things personal... and I reported you.

Oceanbreeze · 05-17-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

No. :shakes head:

Cheri said, "Trust me, some abortionist if not most are lawbreakers. I've live to witness it. It's all about money to them, they don't care about you, or the fetus."

"It's not an accusation, It had happened to me. So back off, Jillio, I don't want your insensitive opinion."
That point, Cheri was there to see what happened at clinic. I knew it is not a lie. I already mentioned about my mother.

That point, Cheri was probably attacked by Jillio and other ADer in my thread (what's a prolife?). I'm not sure.. I don't know. But, why is it really need to use a question to attack her experience of abortion story when she told the truth?

Then she said, "Can you substantiate that accusation?" It seems Jillio was still refused to believe her abortion story.

If anybody else prefer to see me stay quiet.. No, I'm not going to back off and say nothing while Cheri was attacked for all good.

She wasn't being attacked. She was being questioned. There's a difference and Jillio had every right to ask.

Oceanbreeze · 05-17-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by highlands

You can't insult or bash her here... You have made things personal... and I reported you.

OK.

jillio · 05-17-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

No. :shakes head:

Cheri said, "Trust me, some abortionist if not most are lawbreakers. I've live to witness it. It's all about money to them, they don't care about you, or the fetus."

"It's not an accusation, It had happened to me. So back off, Jillio, I don't want your insensitive opinion."

That point, Cheri was there to see what happened at clinic. I knew it is not a lie. I already mentioned about my mother.

That point, Cheri was probably attacked by Jillio and other ADer in my thread (what's a prolife?). I'm not sure.. I don't know. But, why is it really need to use a question to attack her experience of abortion story when she told the truth?

Then she said, "Can you substantiate that accusation?" It seems Jillio was still refused to believe her abortion story.

If anybody else prefer to see me stay quiet.. No, I'm not going to back off and say nothing while Cheri was attacked for all good.

I can address this one. Cheri said that most if not all abortionists are performing illegal abortions. Just because it happened toCheri doesn't mean that most if not all doctors practice that way. She took a single incident that happened to her, and then tried to make a blanket statement about all doctors. That is why I asked her to substantiate her accusation. You cannot accuse all doctors of doing something illegal just because one did.

jillio · 05-17-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by highlands

You can't insult or bash her here... You have made things personal... and I reported you.

Excuse me, highlands, but Oceanbreeze did notmake it personal. We were discussing abortion as a general concept. Cheri is the one that brought her personal experience into the discussion. And then she attempted to use her personal experience to say that what she experienced happened in all cases.

I am sorry that Cheri had such a bad experience. But if it is so bad that she has trouble discussing it, then she should not bring personal experience into the discussion.

highlands · 05-17-2008, 10:55 PM

apparently.. you are not making it general ,jillio.. even naming her makes your post personal ,not general.. you are breaking the forum rules.

jillio · 05-17-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

She wasn't being attacked. She was being questioned. There's a difference and Jillio had every right to ask.

Exactly. I did not attack her. In fact, Ihave been very patient in trying toexplain to Cheri where she had some mistaken ideas about some different medical procedures. I have explained, several times, the laws she was confused about and the difference between a procedure and a technique used to perform that procedure. Because she was confused, she was making some very innacurrate statements. And I have been patient in trying to explain it to her.

I asked her to substantiate her claim about "most, if not all" doctors thatperform abortions. She cannot make a statement about all doctors based on her one bad experience. That is not an attack. That is simply asking her to be realistic. As I have said, I am sorry that she had a bad experience. But she can't use that bad experience to attack others who beleive differently than she does, nor to attack all doctors. Her anger is misplaced.

Jiro · 05-17-2008, 10:56 PM

I think this forum should be locked for a few hours. It's getting too sensitive for some of them.

highlands · 05-17-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

I think this forum should be locked for a few hours. It's getting too sensitive for some of them.

I agree.. but locking should be permanent

Oceanbreeze · 05-17-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Exactly. I did not attack her. In fact, Ihave been very patient in trying toexplain to Cheri where she had some mistaken ideas about some different medical procedures. I have explained, several times, the laws she was confused about and the difference between a procedure and a technique used to perform that procedure. Because she was confused, she was making some very innacurrate statements. And I have been patient in trying to explain it to her.

I asked her to substantiate her claim about "most, if not all" doctors thatperform abortions. She cannot make a statement about all doctors based on her one bad experience. That is not an attack. That is simply asking her to be realistic. As I have said, I am sorry that she had a bad experience. But she can't use that bad experience to attack others who beleive differently than she does, nor to attack all doctors. Her anger is misplaced.

Right.

jillio · 05-17-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by highlands

apparently.. you are not making it general ,jillio.. even naming her makes your post personal ,not general.. you are breaking the forum rules.

I named her in response to another poster naming her. And you, as well, have named her. I did not make it personal by posting her story here. She chose to do that. If you will go back and read this thread from beginnning to end, you will find that the discussion was general. It was regarding women's right to choose for themselves. Women is general. No one brought anypersonal stories in until a member decided to do that for themselves. I am not the one that brought specific situations into the discussion.

The fact of the matter is, if you want to keep a personal story personal, then you should not make it public.

highlands · 05-17-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I named her in response to another poster naming her. And you, as well, have named her. I did not make it personal by posting her story here. She chose to do that. If you will go back and read this thread from beginnning to end, you will find that the discussion was general. It was regarding women's right to choose for themselves. Women is general. No one brought anypersonal stories in until a member decided to do that for themselves. I am not the one that brought specific situations into the discussion.

no.. you are making matters personal.. I have seen it in many of your posts on other forums ,too .. you claim being general but post personal things,too..

jillio · 05-17-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by highlands

no.. you are making matters personal.. I have seen it in many of your posts on other forums ,too .. you claim being general but post personal things,too..

And I will ask you as well, to substantiate that accusation. Particluarly in this case.

KarissaMann05 · 05-17-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

I think this forum should be locked for a few hours. It's getting too sensitive for some of them.

Agreed... =/

highlands · 05-17-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And I will ask you as well, to substantiate that accusation. Particluarly in this case.

Forget it.. I don't have to prove anything here... huh..

It's time for mods to lock the thread.

KarissaMann05 · 05-17-2008, 11:06 PM

I don't understand why they thought Cheri made an accusation when she told the truth... I feel this thread needs to be locked...

EDIT: I'm not going to post more comments here. That's it. :sighs:

05-17-2008, 08:57 PM	#156 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Jessie's Character Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,848 Blog Entries: 7	No. :shakes head: Cheri said, "Trust me, some abortionist if not most are lawbreakers. I've live to witness it. It's all about money to them, they don't care about you, or the fetus." "It's not an accusation, It had happened to me. So back off, Jillio, I don't want your insensitive opinion." That point, Cheri was there to see what happened at clinic. I knew it is not a lie. I already mentioned about my mother. That point, Cheri was probably attacked by Jillio and other ADer in my thread (what's a prolife?). I'm not sure.. I don't know. But, why is it really need to use a question to attack her experience of abortion story when she told the truth? Then she said, "Can you substantiate that accusation?" It seems Jillio was still refused to believe her abortion story. If anybody else prefer to see me stay quiet.. No, I'm not going to back off and say nothing while Cheri was attacked for all good. __________________ Credit by KarissaMann05

05-17-2008, 09:08 PM	#157 (permalink)
highlands In Love & Happy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in an inland city Posts: 4,168	Enough is enough.. Don't attack on Cheri so bad please..That's not fair.. She had a very bad experience on abortion.. This is too hard for her. __________________

05-17-2008, 10:55 PM	#164 (permalink)
highlands In Love & Happy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in an inland city Posts: 4,168	apparently.. you are not making it general ,jillio.. even naming her makes your post personal ,not general.. you are breaking the forum rules. __________________

05-17-2008, 11:06 PM	#174 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Jessie's Character Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,848 Blog Entries: 7	I don't understand why they thought Cheri made an accusation when she told the truth... I feel this thread needs to be locked... EDIT: I'm not going to post more comments here. That's it. :sighs: __________________ Credit by KarissaMann05

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05-17-2008, 10:56 PM	#166 (permalink)
Jiro YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 7,566	I think this forum should be locked for a few hours. It's getting too sensitive for some of them.