Calvin

Since Civil War sesquicentennial is approaching, maybe we can give in some thoughts about history itself and how we can celebrate if people are planning on going and what their views on Civil War.


Why the Civil War Still Matters


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Cowpuppy

Article and many people view it as solely a race war. I see the souths desire to 'secede' from the rest of the country as a very driving force in the decision to go to war.

Chase

Cal, my paternal great-grandfather came west after a severe wound fighting under U.S. Grant on the Mississippi. Folks on my mom's side fought for the Confederacy. So neither could ever speak a civil word about the Civil War. But I love history and hope to learn from your thread.

I used to watch several of my students dressed as 7th Cav troopers and several in Sioux and Northern Cheyenne warrior dress shoot each other off horse every June in Hardin, Montana, to reenact the Custer-Crazy Horse meeting on the Little Big Horn.

I think these re-enactments are the closest thing we have to time machines, and I'm glad you started the blue-gray thread and also hope members can respect a painful yet important aspect of U.S. history.

Calvin

Wow that's interesting and glad to hear stories about how families went through during the Civil War and era. It sure had torn families in half when one side fought for the Union and other for the Confederacy. It's quite sad and torn up. for sharing that with us ADers

I agree the re-enactments are great idea to imagine what Civil War did in real life back then like you said "time machine". And to educate public about the war. Also Civil War is the only war that has musical involved while no other wars has any musical in them. Boys as young as 10 years old in the battlefield as a drummer.

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KarissaMann05

Yesss it does.

I am sooo glad that none of in my whole family (inculding ##great grandparents families) have slaves. Why? They were against the slavery so they refused to buy a slave. I don't remember which one is my bio grandfather's grandmother's or grandfather's family's story but I also don't remember their story about slavery... Someday, I will ask my grandfather about this. I hope he still have it, gee... Mmm..

Thanks for bring it up!

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GarnetTigerMom

I have some relative that have history that goes way back on my mother side of the family. Both my mom parents ( my grandparents) have families that back in history. I will have to look up the family tree again. But do know my grandfather relative once serve under President Abraham Lincoln was the 16th president when he got shot. I love history and history have always been very important part of life of what happen in the past to the present day. The American Civil War was the greatest war in American history. 3 million fought - 600,000 paid the ultimate price for freedom. And a war for freedom it was. Civil war history carry lot of timeline of the past.

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Calvin

Yeah some owns slave, some are against, it depends on how family is in the 1800's. It would be interesting to share some old true Civil War stories. I love history and it's sad we only get to read very few true Civil War stories on the book unlike the last few wars. At least some made the best of it when they shared the stories within generations

Yep American Civil War is the most studied war in American History and it divided the country and after reunited back together. The scar is always there and in history book. THe Civil War still matters and people need to be educated and to be aware of the history and how it affected a lot of families. Family members fighting another family members, some both sides help each other.


I'm curious have anyone watched this TV-made movie series North and South? It is excellent movie and highly recommended to watch. This movie pretty much explained the life of the pre, during, and after the Civil War.

Here is the link for this "North and South" movie and also they do have collection DVD out at stores now. Here is: "North and South" (1985) (mini)

Also there's another similar movie "The Blue and the Gray": "The Blue and the Gray" (1982) (mini) but North and South movie details better than this so that's why I highly recommend the first link above

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jazzy

I am glad we had civil war and North won it even my family was from south and some of them were slave owners, my grandmother's side. I noticed in my family tree, England ancestors were the only one who were slave owners, not my Irish nor German ancestors.

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GarnetTigerMom

Yep, I have watched that movie long time ago when I was a teenager and fell in love with the movie. Funny, when I was a teenager dating my first boyfriend I used to be so sneaky day dreaming about Patrick Swayze as my southern gentleman swoon and romancing me. LOL But that was just a silly school girl crushes. :-)

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SxyPorkie

Even tho I was born and raised in Virginia... I remembered in any public restrooms one were labeled Colored.. other Labeled White... I kept asking my mother why all blacks and whites were seperated...

I remembered riding in the city bus... a black got in and paid fare.. there were plenty room for him to sit in the front. but the busdriver ordered him to go and sit in the back of bus... i looked in the back .. all blacks were standing .... no place for them to sit...

I thought Civil War freed all slaveries.... nowadays they are STILL struggling because of discriminations...I cannot understand why they were against the blacks...most of blacks are good to me...

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VamPyroX

This was a good war. I'm not saying that I'm glad we had this war and I do wish that it could have gone differently, but something good came out of it. I do wonder what it would have been like if we didn't have this war or the result was different... what would we be doing today?

It's like World War II. If we didn't have it, would we be as technologically advanced as we are today?

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Calvin

Right the blacks struggled ever since they were freed since the Civil War ended. They been hit with discrimination from right to left and segregation as well. During WWII, they were segregated and in the 60's like you explained above. Most of the times colored people do not get equal respect from whites and they get paid very little. As for today, it seems better but we still hear some areas still hasn't changed. Quite sad that colored people went through very hard and not getting the respect.

Yes when the country went into disagreement over something ended up in Civil War and paid a great cost to defend what they believe in. Good Question about if Civil War never existed in the United States what would happen and what would the result be today? I believe the Union would have more power and perhaps control the slavery. Civil War put the slavery and torture to stop which is good results.

Suppose if Civil War happens today, it would be much more violent and destruction especially with the weapons we have. United States paid 600,000 lives and what would the casualties be if we have one today? Probably millions and millions homes and businesses are lost. It's hard to imagine if we have Civil War today.

I'm sure Americans learned a lot from the Civil War which is a good thing. It sure impacted a lot of families back then and to tell the stories. Once the war is over, both side came to shake hands and be friends again after a while. That's why I think Civil War matters because people need to understand the cause and how the war impacted their lives and it did abolished slavery. If it were not for the General Grant and Abe Lincoln, the war would have dragged on longer.

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Reba

I hope to attend this Saturday:

Battle of Charleston

Tousi

Sounds like a fun day, Reba; would you have to take a ferry to the Island?

Reba

No; there are bridges to Johns Island.

Here's part of the driving directions:

Take Hwy 17 south cross the Ashley River bridge, pass the round Holiday Inn. The road will fork take the left fork onto Hwy 700 (Folly Rd.). Cross the Wappoo Cut bridge onto James Island. At the bottom of the bridge turn right onto Maybank Hwy. Take Maybank Hwy through James Island crossing the new Stono River Bridge onto Johns Island. Turn left at the 1st light on Johns Island (not the light located on the bridge) onto River Road. There is a Hess station and a Kerr Drug on the corners. Go 5 miles, watch for Fipps Garage on the right. Turn left at the next dirt road (Jenkins Farm Road). Follow the signs to Legare Farms.

deafskeptic

My Great-great-great grandfather Grove hired someone to do the fighting for him in the Civil War and his hired soldier fought for the Confederacy. He was one of the very few in the Shenandoah Valley who had slaves. Some members of my mother's family fought for the Union; most supported the Confederacy.

Sheridan's campaign through Shenandoah Valley has caused a lot of bitterness in some older members of my family on my mother's side even though they weren't born during the civil war. Some Southerners still refer to the Civil War simply as the War.

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Yes I own "North & South" and "Roots" "Roots" (1977) (mini) movie DVD. They are really good movies... wow, I will find out about "The Blue & the Gray" movie.

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Reba

Here are some pictures from last week's reenactment of the Battle of Charleston:

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Tousi

That's cool, thanks, Reba.

Reba

You're welcome.

Byrdie714

Is this the battle for Ft. Sumter or Ft. Wagner?

DragonYoga

The Blue And The Gray
Francis Miles Finch (1827-1907)


By the flow of the inland river,
Whence the fleets of iron have fled,
Where the blades of the grave-grass quiver,
Asleep are the ranks of the dead:
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment-day;
Under the one, the Blue,
Under the other, the Gray
These in the robings of glory,
Those in the gloom of defeat,
All with the battle-blood gory,
In the dusk of eternity meet:
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgement-day
Under the laurel, the Blue,
Under the willow, the Gray.

From the silence of sorrowful hours
The desolate mourners go,
Lovingly laden with flowers
Alike for the friend and the foe;
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgement-day;
Under the roses, the Blue,
Under the lilies, the Gray.

So with an equal splendor,
The morning sun-rays fall,
With a touch impartially tender,
On the blossoms blooming for all:
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment-day;
Broidered with gold, the Blue,
Mellowed with gold, the Gray.

So, when the summer calleth,
On forest and field of grain,
With an equal murmur falleth
The cooling drip of the rain:
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment -day,
Wet with the rain, the Blue
Wet with the rain, the Gray.

Sadly, but not with upbraiding,
The generous deed was done,
In the storm of the years that are fading
No braver battle was won:
Under the sod adn the dew,
Waiting the judgment-day;
Under the blossoms, the Blue,
Under the garlands, the Gray

No more shall the war cry sever,
Or the winding rivers be red;
They banish our anger forever
When they laurel the graves of our dead!
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment-day,
Love and tears for the Blue,
Tears and love for the Gray.




This is my FAVORITE poem from that period. The author read an article in his newspaper of a group of women in Charleston (I think?) who went and laid flowers on both Union & Southern graves alike. Their act inspired this poem.


As for the war - it started out with a completely different reason than what it ended with. In the beginning, it was over the Southern states' trying to secede - several states started to secede just before Lincolin took the office, and Lincoln felt forced to ignore the Consitution and force them to rejoin the union. People thought at first it would be over quickly - as a matter of fact, in the first few battles, local townspeople would go up and have a picnic and watch the battles. Only when the war dragged on and on, and people started talking about slavery - THEN the slavery became the focus of the war. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation originally only freed the slaves in the North. After the war, the Southern slaves were included.

And that's the quick history lesson!

My mom's side is from Arkansas, and if I remember right, someone from her side of the family held slaves, and we have a family story of brothers fighting against brothers in the War.

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SCBassist

May be a problem celebrating, wave the bars and stars at a public event, , my money says Sharpton will be there! LOL

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