The Death Penalty - Page 4

PuyoPiyo · 06-21-2007, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by christlovedeaf

No problemo!

jillio · 06-21-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

I think painless death penalty is way too easy for most criminals! I just wish that most of death penalty to include painful as a final lesson. Anyway, I was in favor of death penalty until I learn about Admax "The alcatraz on the rockies" or "The tomb" as refer to most attorneys. I find that Admax seems to do better job in punishing these crooks! What is Admax? It is much like a hole that you have to live in there for rest of your life with NOBODY to interact, nobody to talk with, just 99.99% soliditary confidenment, Whats even worse, you have no friggin idea exact where you are, and that lights remains on 24 hours each day, no break and you got to eat in the hole, sleep on concrete bed and have a camera watching you all the time. Since 1992, almost all inmates who entered there ended up got their mind messed up big time after just 3 months! What I like about Admax is that the crimainals HAVE to sit and wait for their natural death to come up. That really messed up their mind! And they deserve that! Escape? Almost impossible! There is too many barriers there with technologies and silent attack dogs (Dogs were trained not to make any sounds UNTIL in front of a person! like in surprise) And there is only way to gain access there is by only one tunnel. Depending on the nature of crime, those who classified the top rank worst crime is NOT allowed to have any visitors of any kind except only attorney who represent the criminals is allowed.

If you are going to inflict pain, what is the purpose? It is to punish. And punsihment serve but one purpose--to change behavior. If you are inflicting the death penalty, obviously you aren't concerned about changing behavior, because a dead person can't change behavior. So the only reason for inflicting pain at this point is vindictiveness. Isn't loss of life enough? Must we be so cruel as to insist that pain be inflicted, as well. I thought we had advanced since the age of barbarians.

Tousi · 06-21-2007, 01:11 PM

Hmmmm, wasn't abject, blood-curdling pain and fear the last thing the victim knew? Just asking....I waffle back and forth on this issue...

Sheila · 06-21-2007, 01:42 PM

Every posting up to this point has been valid. I agree and disagree with the death penalty. When it comes to TX executing mentally retarded people, then I am against it. When serial rapists or murderers are caught and convicted WITH DNA evidence, I support it. As for child molesters (and in some cases, rapists), I think they should have a One Strike and You're Out rule. You're convicted of a serious sex crime, you're castrated. We can be creative in punishment. It can't always be "Hmmm, cable for life or a nice sleepy death?"

jillio · 06-21-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Hmmmm, wasn't abject, blood-curdling pain and fear the last thing the victim knew? Just asking....I waffle back and forth on this issue...

I suppose that would depend on the circumstances of the crime. But as the purveyors of justice, don't we also hold ourselves to higher moral standards than the criminal? One cannot mete out justice otherwise, can one?

jillio · 06-21-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheila

Every posting up to this point has been valid. I agree and disagree with the death penalty. When it comes to TX executing mentally retarded people, then I am against it. When serial rapists or murderers are caught and convicted WITH DNA evidence, I support it. As for child molesters (and in some cases, rapists), I think they should have a One Strike and You're Out rule. You're convicted of a serious sex crime, you're castrated. We can be creative in punishment. It can't always be "Hmmm, cable for life or a nice sleepy death?"

Castration does not prevent recidivism of sex crimes. Rape is about violence, not sex. If one cannot rape with genitals, they will find another weapon to rape with.

Sheila · 06-21-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Castration does not prevent recidivism of sex crimes. Rape is about violence, not sex. If one cannot rape with genitals, they will find another weapon to rape with.

I know that, but don't you think that maybe, just MAYBE, some kind of radical punishment may stop the crime, even if it isn't the focus, just the "tool." How many men would be willing to lose their parts (also, think about college parties, just some guy wanting to "score") if they went ahead with the crime?

jillio · 06-21-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheila

I know that, but don't you think that maybe, just MAYBE, some kind of radical punishment may stop the crime, even if it isn't the focus, just the "tool." How many men would be willing to lose their parts (also, think about college parties, just some guy wanting to "score") if they went ahead with the crime?

I will have to concede that it is a possibility in deterrrence, but I doubt seriously that you will see a reduction until we see a fundamental change in the social situation that creates the criminal element. And, if we start castrating for sex crimes, where do we draw the line? Do we also cut off the hands of thieves? Once this type of punishment is accepted as justifiable, we become desensitized to the horror, and it makes it easier to justify other uses. Our entire prison system set up to dehumanize prisoners; how far can we, as a civilized society, take that dehumanization and not reduce ourselves to the same mindset of the criminal we are attempting to punish?

pek1 · 06-21-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I support the death penalty.

I don't. However, in the case of Saddamn Hussein, his court case went way too long. He shouldn't have received ten seconds worth of defense. I would have gone along with lethal injection for him, but not the way in which you would think.

Reba, I believe you had mentioned that you were in the military . . . what would happen if SH was injected with air in his blood stream instead of the lethal injection? Another thought . . . what about slowly draining his blood daily, say, a syringe's worth of blood on a daily basis? I would go along with this.

Reba · 06-21-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pek1

I don't. However, in the case of Saddamn Hussein, his court case went way too long. He shouldn't have received ten seconds worth of defense. I would have gone along with lethal injection for him, but not the way in which you would think.

Reba, I believe you had mentioned that you were in the military . . . what would happen if SH was injected with air in his blood stream instead of the lethal injection? Another thought . . . what about slowly draining his blood daily, say, a syringe's worth of blood on a daily basis? I would go along with this.

SH was hanged in accordance with the laws of his country.

For carrying out the death penalty in the USA, the methods used are not allowed to be "cruel and unusual" so I don't think your suggestion will fly.

dreama · 06-26-2007, 02:15 PM

I am very much against the death penalty for the reasons Jillo and others gave.

I wouldn't be against taking some luxuries away from prisoners though. I've been in a british prison as I used to go to this sports club for the disabled, which was run by a prison officer and the helpers were mainly prisoners. I mean they even had a trampoline in there.

Liebling:-))) · 07-27-2007, 06:38 AM

Innocence and the Death Penalty

Innocence and the Death Penalty

Executing innocent people

http://www.religioustolerance.org/executg.htm

Bear · 03-22-2008, 11:19 AM

We have had numerous discussion on abortions.

Here is a thread to discuss your views on the death penalty.

I ask that you please keep religion out of this topic. I know religion does have alot to do with how one views the death penalty. But as we have learned recently, religion is a topic that is highly charged.

Lets limit our scopes to how one feels about the death penalty and why you think it is or isnt a good idea to have it.

I will start, I am not quite sure how I believe in the death penalty. I do agree with the general idea of the death penalty. The general idea is that the worst of the worst will go for execution. People like Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer and many others like them really have no chance for rehabilitation. Their crimes were monsterous. Should we as the taxpayers, pay for them to live the rest of their natural lives behind bars? Should we pay for their three meals a day? *which many of us dont even eat because we cant afford it* She would pay for them to have electricity and heat and showers? I believe we shouldnt. If there is no chance that a person could be rehabilitated and their crimes were as atrocious as those mentioned above then, the death penalty applies.

However, my one and only concern of the death penalty is putting an innocent person on death row. I would hate to think that even just one innocent person slipped through. How do we prevent this? I havent the foggiest clue. I do believe there are ways. But how to achieve them I dont know.

So there is my views. Please discuss with respect.

Cheri · 03-22-2008, 11:49 AM

There is already a thread about Death Penalty, Do you believe in Death Penalty?

Bear · 03-22-2008, 12:03 PM

ahh I did a search on it before I posted it. That didnt come up

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Cheri for finding the old thread.

Bear · 03-22-2008, 12:06 PM

Merged the threads. Sorry I did not find this thread when I used the search feature.

Secretblend · 03-22-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear

Merged the threads. Sorry I did not find this thread when I used the search feature.

No problem! I've tried some search for threads I knew was there and it didnt' come up so I know how that goes.

dreama · 03-22-2008, 05:01 PM

As I've said before, I'm against the death penalty because it is wrong to kill and sometimes innocent people are accused of murder just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

For people who really have done it though, I don't have a terrible lot of sympathy.

In Britain I think that criminals get treated too well. They seem to have more rights then ordinary civilians. I've reciently heard that you no longer get a prison sentance for burgulary. Yet breaking into someones private space can be devistating for the victims. I mean people like to feel safe in their own homes but if that is violated and the people who do it just get a slap on the wrist, I think it is wrong.

Prisoners should earn their keep and be made to work more to pay for councilling for their victims who are often left worse off. For some crimes I'd be all for the removal of a few body parts.

Cowpuppy · 03-22-2008, 05:30 PM

On the one hand.....when the death penalty exist....or any extreme punishment....it drives the perps to extremes. They know that in all likelyhood they will be caught...and extreme crimes pump the blood up and adrenaline, which gives them a hyper freaked paranoid edge. Life speeds up....decisions speed up. Shortly they come to the conclusion that they will be caught and caught soon so they might as well go all out.
Also, perps in action might think at the time that they would rather die than serve out a long life-sentence.....again, increasing the extreme actions.
This scenario also creates the need-desire for them to try and destroy all evidence-witnesses. Once again increasing extreme actions.
I'm not so sure death is a deterrent. Hyped perps don't care. Many criminals have oversized egos and think they can outsmart law.
In a utopian world I might be against death....but until then....fry the bastards....they know the punishment beforehand. They gamble they lose.
I only believe in it with clear solid evidence such as DNA backing up the evidence.
I think the appeals system is too lenient. Too much time on death row when fully guilty.
They can find thier forgiveness beyond.

KarissaMann05 · 03-27-2008, 08:03 PM

Simple to say: Death penalty is so pointless.

It teaches you to learn how to hate a person who had done so wrongful.
It teaches you to learn how to make a revenge against a person who had done so wrongful.
It teaches you to learn how to show no mercy on any person who had done so wrongful.

Like I said in #58 on my thread.

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You see, it's too many times I've observed people who call themselves pro-life, but to do such anti-life things -- that it makes me to think they are truly just anti-abortion and not pro anything. Y'know? I sometimes hate the way the pro-life movement is portayed... I think those people fail to realize that by labeling yourself a certain way. A person also has a certain ambasador type quality to show others who do not think, like yourself what it's all about. Understand?

What I mean is to respect all LIFE and do not harm anything else is true PRO-life. I believe it should not take a life away. There is goes for people who are anti-cruelty to animals, too. Yes, I definately value human life more highly than animal life, but I respect all life. However, I am all for animal rights: I don't wear leather or fur, don't use products that have been tested on animals, and etc. Actually, I do use some medicines for my cats if they are ill... ^^;;

So that's mean is -- I am, however, against the death penalty. In a civilized society, a government that has the ability and RIGHT to put it's own people to death, no matter how guilty (or not) they are, is a government with way too much power. I believe that the right to life does not hinge on how innocent or guilty you are... ... Even if the child (or any age on a person) could possibly be guilty of something, that guilt doesn't mean it's life is void.

So, therefore, any death plenalty is so useless. IMO.

jillio · 03-27-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowpuppy

On the one hand.....when the death penalty exist....or any extreme punishment....it drives the perps to extremes. They know that in all likelyhood they will be caught...and extreme crimes pump the blood up and adrenaline, which gives them a hyper freaked paranoid edge. Life speeds up....decisions speed up. Shortly they come to the conclusion that they will be caught and caught soon so they might as well go all out.
Also, perps in action might think at the time that they would rather die than serve out a long life-sentence.....again, increasing the extreme actions.
This scenario also creates the need-desire for them to try and destroy all evidence-witnesses. Once again increasing extreme actions.
I'm not so sure death is a deterrent. Hyped perps don't care. Many criminals have oversized egos and think they can outsmart law.
In a utopian world I might be against death....but until then....fry the bastards....they know the punishment beforehand. They gamble they lose.
I only believe in it with clear solid evidence such as DNA backing up the evidence.
I think the appeals system is too lenient. Too much time on death row when fully guilty.
They can find thier forgiveness beyond.

Also known as the "I've got nothing to loose syndrome."

Wokamuka · 04-16-2008, 08:45 PM

Are lethal injections not cruel and unusual?

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High Court Upholds Lethal Injections, Justices Reject Challenge To Kentucky's Death Penalty Procedures, Executions Will Resume - CBS News
Andrews notes that by saying that lethal injection is not cruel and unusual punishment, it does two things:

* It lifts that de facto moratorium that the states were recognizing while the justices reviewed this.

* And it states flatly that lethal injections can go forward from now on, because the people who have been challenging lethal injections have not proved, according to the chief justice and the six other justices that voted with him, that lethal injections are cruel and unusual.

Does the death penalty equal religion?

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Pope says clergy abuse scandal sometimes 'badly handled' - Yahoo! News
"Any tendency to treat religion as a private matter must be resisted," he said. Benedict's remarks came on a day when all of the five Catholic justices on the U.S. Supreme Court approved the most widely used method of lethal injection, and congressional representatives who support abortion rights said they planned to take Holy Communion on Thursday at a papal Mass.

Does the death penalty equal hate?

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High Court Ponders Execution For Rapists, Louisiana Janitor's Case Sparks Debate Over Death Sentence For Child Rapists - CBS News
"It is so evil. There is no justification for it," he said. "This isn't a heat-of-passion killing. It's not about money."

Are we micromanaging the death penalty?

Cowpuppy · 04-16-2008, 09:29 PM

I think lethal injections could be made to be more humane. With all the knowledge......put to sleep coma etc then the lethal stuffs. electric chair is stupid. Hanging cruel....but admit it is the one that would scare me straight...lol geeez choke me off but don't snap my wittle neck

Cowpuppy · 04-16-2008, 09:32 PM

It doesn't serve societies purpose to spend decades of monies to punish an individual....in effect we end up being victims perpetually. Eye for an eye and move on.

dreamchaser · 04-16-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I don't believe in the death penalty. There are many people in prison who were convicted of a crime before the newer technology like DNA testing that could have proven them innocent. There was just a case in the news where a man spent 25 years in prison on a rape conviction, but when they retested the evidence using DNA, it was found that he was innocent just as he had claimed. Our criminal justice system can and does make mistakes, and people do not always get fair trials. I think to risk executing even one innocent person is not worth the risk.

What do you guys think?

I totally agree. Let's face it, people with money get away with murder, torture etc, and folks without money get convicted of crimes they didn't do just because the law needs to close a case and convict somebody. Until they can be 100 percent sure of the facts, which may be never, they should leave death in God's hands. One state, I think it was Ohio, had to let 150 prisoners approximately off of death row when they discovered a flaw in the system. Many of those were on Death row... I don't remember the exact story, but I don't trust the system.

jillio · 04-16-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamchaser

I totally agree. Let's face it, people with money get away with murder, torture etc, and folks without money get convicted of crimes they didn't do just because the law needs to close a case and convict somebody. Until they can be 100 percent sure of the facts, which may be never, they should leave death in God's hands. One state, I think it was Ohio, had to let 150 prisoners approximately off of death row when they discovered a flaw in the system. Many of those were on Death row... I don't remember the exact story, but I don't trust the system.

Exactly. There are too many inequities in the application of the law. And you are correct, it was Ohio. Not to mention the scandal over their treatment of mentally ill inmates in the prison system several years ago.

06-21-2007, 01:42 PM	#94 (permalink)
Sheila Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 302	Every posting up to this point has been valid. I agree and disagree with the death penalty. When it comes to TX executing mentally retarded people, then I am against it. When serial rapists or murderers are caught and convicted WITH DNA evidence, I support it. As for child molesters (and in some cases, rapists), I think they should have a One Strike and You're Out rule. You're convicted of a serious sex crime, you're castrated. We can be creative in punishment. It can't always be "Hmmm, cable for life or a nice sleepy death?" __________________ "An interpreter must give his blood to the work interpreted." -Claude Arrau Deaf Love

06-26-2007, 02:15 PM	#101 (permalink)
dreama deafblind vegan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: England Posts: 722	I am very much against the death penalty for the reasons Jillo and others gave. I wouldn't be against taking some luxuries away from prisoners though. I've been in a british prison as I used to go to this sports club for the disabled, which was run by a prison officer and the helpers were mainly prisoners. I mean they even had a trampoline in there. __________________ Animal testing destroys lives. http://vivisection-absurd.org.uk/menu.html

07-27-2007, 06:38 AM	#102 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Hiiiiiii it's meeeeee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 25,702	Innocence and the Death Penalty Innocence and the Death Penalty Executing innocent people http://www.religioustolerance.org/executg.htm __________________ sniffing you

03-22-2008, 11:19 AM	#103 (permalink)
Bear Out Of Hibernation Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,026	The Death Penalty We have had numerous discussion on abortions. Here is a thread to discuss your views on the death penalty. I ask that you please keep religion out of this topic. I know religion does have alot to do with how one views the death penalty. But as we have learned recently, religion is a topic that is highly charged. Lets limit our scopes to how one feels about the death penalty and why you think it is or isnt a good idea to have it. I will start, I am not quite sure how I believe in the death penalty. I do agree with the general idea of the death penalty. The general idea is that the worst of the worst will go for execution. People like Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer and many others like them really have no chance for rehabilitation. Their crimes were monsterous. Should we as the taxpayers, pay for them to live the rest of their natural lives behind bars? Should we pay for their three meals a day? which many of us dont even eat because we cant afford it She would pay for them to have electricity and heat and showers? I believe we shouldnt. If there is no chance that a person could be rehabilitated and their crimes were as atrocious as those mentioned above then, the death penalty applies. However, my one and only concern of the death penalty is putting an innocent person on death row. I would hate to think that even just one innocent person slipped through. How do we prevent this? I havent the foggiest clue. I do believe there are ways. But how to achieve them I dont know. So there is my views. Please discuss with respect. __________________ http://bears-city.myminicity.com/

03-22-2008, 11:49 AM	#104 (permalink)
Cheri Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 20,755	There is already a thread about Death Penalty, Do you believe in Death Penalty? __________________

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06-21-2007, 01:11 PM	#93 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,554	Hmmmm, wasn't abject, blood-curdling pain and fear the last thing the victim knew? Just asking....I waffle back and forth on this issue...

03-22-2008, 12:03 PM	#105 (permalink)
Bear Out Of Hibernation Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,026	ahh I did a search on it before I posted it. That didnt come up . Cheri for finding the old thread. __________________ http://bears-city.myminicity.com/

03-22-2008, 12:06 PM	#106 (permalink)
Bear Out Of Hibernation Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,026	Merged the threads. Sorry I did not find this thread when I used the search feature. __________________ http://bears-city.myminicity.com/

03-22-2008, 05:01 PM	#108 (permalink)
dreama deafblind vegan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: England Posts: 722	As I've said before, I'm against the death penalty because it is wrong to kill and sometimes innocent people are accused of murder just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. For people who really have done it though, I don't have a terrible lot of sympathy. In Britain I think that criminals get treated too well. They seem to have more rights then ordinary civilians. I've reciently heard that you no longer get a prison sentance for burgulary. Yet breaking into someones private space can be devistating for the victims. I mean people like to feel safe in their own homes but if that is violated and the people who do it just get a slap on the wrist, I think it is wrong. Prisoners should earn their keep and be made to work more to pay for councilling for their victims who are often left worse off. For some crimes I'd be all for the removal of a few body parts. __________________ Animal testing destroys lives. http://vivisection-absurd.org.uk/menu.html

03-22-2008, 05:30 PM	#109 (permalink)
Cowpuppy Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On The Road Again Posts: 375	On the one hand.....when the death penalty exist....or any extreme punishment....it drives the perps to extremes. They know that in all likelyhood they will be caught...and extreme crimes pump the blood up and adrenaline, which gives them a hyper freaked paranoid edge. Life speeds up....decisions speed up. Shortly they come to the conclusion that they will be caught and caught soon so they might as well go all out. Also, perps in action might think at the time that they would rather die than serve out a long life-sentence.....again, increasing the extreme actions. This scenario also creates the need-desire for them to try and destroy all evidence-witnesses. Once again increasing extreme actions. I'm not so sure death is a deterrent. Hyped perps don't care. Many criminals have oversized egos and think they can outsmart law. In a utopian world I might be against death....but until then....fry the bastards....they know the punishment beforehand. They gamble they lose. I only believe in it with clear solid evidence such as DNA backing up the evidence. I think the appeals system is too lenient. Too much time on death row when fully guilty. They can find thier forgiveness beyond.

04-16-2008, 09:29 PM	#113 (permalink)
Cowpuppy Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On The Road Again Posts: 375	I think lethal injections could be made to be more humane. With all the knowledge......put to sleep coma etc then the lethal stuffs. electric chair is stupid. Hanging cruel....but admit it is the one that would scare me straight...lol geeez choke me off but don't snap my wittle neck

04-16-2008, 09:32 PM	#114 (permalink)
Cowpuppy Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On The Road Again Posts: 375	It doesn't serve societies purpose to spend decades of monies to punish an individual....in effect we end up being victims perpetually. Eye for an eye and move on.