The Death Penalty - Page 2

Cloggy · 10-19-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnix

I support the death penalty as it was written in the bible. Not exact words, but scripted - [Ex 21:12, 14; Lev 24:17] "...But if he struck him down with an iron object, so that he died, he is a murderer; the murderer shall surely be put to death."

Magnix2k

So that superseeds the 10 commandments??

Reba · 10-19-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

So that superseeds the 10 commandments??

The Biblical commandment is against murder, not lawful execution, not self-defense, and not warfare. There is no conflict.

Reba · 10-19-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

A higher minimum wage would be much more beneficial... and probably cheaper..

What does that have to do with the death penalty?

Magnix · 10-19-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

A higher minimum wage would be much more beneficial... and probably cheaper..

What?!

Magnix2k

Magnix · 10-19-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

So that superseeds the 10 commandments??

Whats that mean?

Magnix2k

Oceanbreeze · 10-19-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Another problem with "life" sentences is that very often the killers, rapists, and pedophiles don't really stay in prison for the rest of their lives. They get out and commit more horrible crimes.

Also, the families of the victims are forced to relive their pain at parole hearings, and live in fear that the criminal will be freed and come after them. Why should the innocent victims be forced to continue suffering and fearing? That is NOT justice!

I agree with you, so consider this a devil's advocate post. I really have mixed feelings about the death penalty. I generally support it, but the ones that are on death row, and are innocent (proven when DNA exonerates them), bothers the heck out of me. I can't ignore that. There are people sitting on death row who didn't do the crime. How does one deal with that?

Also, what about families who must wait YEARS to see the killer executed? That's also excruciating... Wouldn't it be better to send the killer to prison with life, no parole???? In most murder cases

Ah, the whole system needs to be revamped....

As I said, I don't disagree with you at all. But, there's serious flaws in our system, and they need to be fixed. Such as making sure the accused ACTUALLY did the crime and I also think the appeal's process needs to be tweaked. It shouldn't take 20 yrs to execute someone.

zips · 10-19-2006, 01:07 PM

I got an idea...all murderers, rapists and paedophiles should be shipped to somewhere like Alcatraz and left to their own devices...let em sort each other out...do a minimal food drop once a week and shoot any of the buggers who tries to escape! No-one deserves to live a comfortable life after despicable crimes...if they aren't executed then they spend the rest of their days in comfort...THAT JUST AIN'T RIGHT!!

zips x

sr171soars · 10-19-2006, 02:05 PM

Zips,

Not a bad idea at that. I'm sure somebody will have a problem with it.

jillio · 10-19-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zips

You telling me Jillio....she seemed to be more the brains behind a lot of it...makes you wonder whether Brady would ever have gone as far as he did without her?? She did not deserve to live her life out the way she did...maybe the death penalty would have been more apt!

If anyone ever touched my son there would be no need for the death penalty...I'd do the buggers myself, slowly!

zips x

Agreed. She seemed to be the one in control of the situation. Yeah, when you apply it to your own child, it does make a difference in your perspective. And the evidence in that case was so strong that there was absolutely no doubt of guilt.

jillio · 10-19-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

An execution is a state-sanctioned murder. No matter how you try to put it, it is an act of murder. The "An Eye for An Eye" mentality is unhealthy and a danger to the society. Human beings are fallible by nature and make mistakes. Death penalty goes against the the teachings and principles of Christianity.

In the ol' days, African-Americans were lynched on many occasions over accusations and many of these were untrue to start with. Quite a number of them were lynched for having an intimate relationship with a Caucasian.

I just don't believe it's our duty to kill people. It's a fallible concept and shouldn't be practiced at all. It's outlawed in the country of Canada and the homicide rate aren't something to worry about these days.

In 2004, 1,364 homicides were reported in Texas in comparison to a nationwide statistic of 622 homicides in Canada. Canada has a population of 32,000,000 while the state of Texas has a population of 22,000,000. Texas is the one with the most executions and we don't even execute ours, yet our national homicide is remarkably lower in comparison to a single state. Try comparing that! Clearly, America have a problem. No, just because you have 10 times the population doesn't make it more acceptable. It is problem when people are being murderered and they should take measures to prevent more from happening. Actually, 2004 was the year where we had a 12% spike in homicides, and the year before... it was at a 36-year low. The homicide rate in Canada had been declining since 1992. It's still relatively low now.

In the 1990s, the homicide rate in USA was triple the rate in Canada.

Texas Crime Rates 1960 - 2005
The Daily, Thursday, July 20, 2006. Crime statistics

Before the death penalty was abolished in Canada, the homicide rates were somewhere higher. Death penalty in America isn't doing anything to prevent more acts of murder from being committed. It's just a mentality created as a result of misguided emotions.

I don't feel sorry for the murderers, but I don't wish to have them killed because that would make me a murderer too.

Martin Luther King, Jr. said it best: If we subscribe to the eye for an eye rule, we all end up blind.

zips · 10-19-2006, 02:32 PM

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Zips,

Not a bad idea at that. I'm sure somebody will have a problem with it.

Aye no doubt...but someone will always try and help the not so innocent!! They just as bad in my eyes!!

zips x

zips · 10-19-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Agreed. She seemed to be the one in control of the situation. Yeah, when you apply it to your own child, it does make a difference in your perspective. And the evidence in that case was so strong that there was absolutely no doubt of guilt.

Too right...shame about the "do-gooders" tho!!

zips x

jillio · 10-19-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by zips

Too right...shame about the "do-gooders" tho!!

zips x

To be sure!

Kuifje75 · 10-19-2006, 03:02 PM

I do not support the death penalty, however, I do not support housing the prisoners in prisons equiped with luxuries. I think a prison should mean just that, and I don't care if a spartan lifestyle is considered "unjust" punishment for prisoners, but I think that is the very point of the prisons. Take away their gameboys, libraries, etc... Of course, I intend to mean that for the sentenced-for-life prisoners. It is sometimes amazing how stupid the government can be, spending too much than necessary.

Cloggy · 10-20-2006, 05:01 AM

Kuifje,

Where did you come up with that name... It's pure Dutch/Vlaams!!

"Once done is better than ten times seen."

Kuifje75 · 10-20-2006, 06:24 AM

Ja, ik weet dat Kuifje is nederlands. :-)
Ik kan niet spraken goed nederlands, sorry!

When I was growing up, people said that I look like the Belgian comic figure, Tintin. Even my hair is styled a bit like his. Plus, I love to travel and go on adventures. So, it seemed that the name suited me well.

When I visited Netherlands in 1999, my ex and I went shopping separately, and later on, he surprised me by giving me a Dutch version of one of Tintin's comic figures. Obviously, it says "De Avonturen van Kuifje" and it was the "Mannen op de Maan" that he gave me.

When I chose my screenname for my IM, I saw that Tintin75 was already taken, so I tried Kuifje75 and it was not taken. So, I have stuck with it ever since then.

You're funny with your quote, whilst it is true, I think I will stick with mine because of the relevancy to deafness.

Badboy2 · 10-20-2006, 07:25 AM

I believe that death penalty have right do do for who are mudered. But bad luck our country have no law right dead penalty. We still fight. Too many people sitting in prisoner and enjoy free food, study and get very few grant. Then come free out.

Who man rape woman must cut in pvt bec next time cant rape again.

to people who kill the another person.

Lil_country_gal · 10-20-2006, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DeafSCUBA98

here in minnesota.. we don't have a law related to death pentaly however they did give death pentaly to few people who done terriable crime.. but its not on record.. except one guy who raped a girl and murder her.. and run to north dakota.. since its public.. because its a federal crime so we have to follow the federal law.. so we had to excute that guy.. can't remmy name.

The case your talking about is the case of Dru Sjodin and her murder Alfonso Rodriguz.

Liebling:-))) · 10-20-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

It's not about taking their life for a satisfaction. It's all about justice being serve to those who've lost their lives.

To me, it is a revenge because victims lost their life to killers. I would consider the death penatly as murder the same if they put killers to death. Punish killers is sentence them life to share with volience there. They will suffer there. Death penatly is like put them sleep like we did with pets to save their suffer.

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Question to you, Liebling. Supposedly for example, your son get killed from a viciously violent crime, Would you want this violent criminal spend a life in prison with luxuries, or spend 23 years in prison then on his good terms behavior he is out on parole, or death penalty? You choose and explain your reasons too.

Answer your question:

It will never solve anything to satisfy myself to see killer to death or sentence to life, 23 years or whatever after what he/she did my son because I will never have my son back forever...

I do not support luxuries, death penatly or less years prison but support sentence to life...

It would make me bitter if I do something out of revenge... It doesn´t solve anything but more hurt... I don´t want that.

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Also, I wanted to add in general that let's not forget about what had happen and could happen when a violent criminals breaks out of prison, which meaning escaped from prison when those violent criminals were sentenced to life in prison. It's like walking on egg shells, Everyone would be frighten, wondering where these criminals are heading to, who they're going to kill next? Is that the way we should live our life being afraid and having to watch our backs?

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Yes I aware it. I would say it´s rare for them to escape out of prison since they make more and more secure for the prisoners.

I would ask you question the same: I know it´s hyporical question...

You know the killers, sex crimes, etc have parents? You never know that our children could be one of them... I do not wish to say that your and my children could be one of them but how do you feel if they punish your son to death? I bet you would say that you prefer to see him sentence to life in prison. That´s exactly why I do not support death penatly... I rather to see my son stay in prison to life.

OR

How do you feel if your son keep on vow that he is innoncent until put him to death for nothing then found out later that it´s not him?

10-20-2006, 11:24 AM

In a way I guess I do, depending on the crime & on severe it is. But with lethal Injection, its a painless process. Electric chair the can suffer like they made the victim. But also giving them the death penalty is the quick way out. When the get "Life" in prison with NO Parole. They pay for their crime for the rest of their life. But then again when the die right away from the death penalty the quicker the have their one way ticket straight to hell & have to deal with no one but the devil himself.

I guess you can say I got mixed feelings on this subject.

diehardbiker · 10-20-2006, 12:37 PM

I think painless death penalty is way too easy for most criminals! I just wish that most of death penalty to include painful as a final lesson. Anyway, I was in favor of death penalty until I learn about Admax "The alcatraz on the rockies" or "The tomb" as refer to most attorneys. I find that Admax seems to do better job in punishing these crooks! What is Admax? It is much like a hole that you have to live in there for rest of your life with NOBODY to interact, nobody to talk with, just 99.99% soliditary confidenment, Whats even worse, you have no friggin idea exact where you are, and that lights remains on 24 hours each day, no break and you got to eat in the hole, sleep on concrete bed and have a camera watching you all the time. Since 1992, almost all inmates who entered there ended up got their mind messed up big time after just 3 months! What I like about Admax is that the crimainals HAVE to sit and wait for their natural death to come up. That really messed up their mind! And they deserve that! Escape? Almost impossible! There is too many barriers there with technologies and silent attack dogs (Dogs were trained not to make any sounds UNTIL in front of a person! like in surprise) And there is only way to gain access there is by only one tunnel. Depending on the nature of crime, those who classified the top rank worst crime is NOT allowed to have any visitors of any kind except only attorney who represent the criminals is allowed.

sr171soars · 10-20-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

I think painless death penalty is way too easy for most criminals! I just wish that most of death penalty to include painful as a final lesson. Anyway, I was in favor of death penalty until I learn about Admax "The alcatraz on the rockies" or "The tomb" as refer to most attorneys. I find that Admax seems to do better job in punishing these crooks! What is Admax? It is much like a hole that you have to live in there for rest of your life with NOBODY to interact, nobody to talk with, just 99.99% soliditary confidenment, Whats even worse, you have no friggin idea exact where you are, and that lights remains on 24 hours each day, no break and you got to eat in the hole, sleep on concrete bed and have a camera watching you all the time. Since 1992, almost all inmates who entered there ended up got their mind messed up big time after just 3 months! What I like about Admax is that the crimainals HAVE to sit and wait for their natural death to come up. That really messed up their mind! And they deserve that! Escape? Almost impossible! There is too many barriers there with technologies and silent attack dogs (Dogs were trained not to make any sounds UNTIL in front of a person! like in surprise) And there is only way to gain access there is by only one tunnel.

Love the concept! That is true punishment. I always felt that solitary confinement was the way to go even if it costs so much. Just think of finally breaking the backs of the prison gangs this way. Can't talk to the guy in your cell, mealtime, rec time and etc. I can understand why they lose it mentally after a couple of months. Man is a social animal and take away the social aspect and insanity beckons them. Quite poetic if you ask me. Of course, there are always those (real hardcases) it doesn't affect greatly but that is rare. They gotta sit there and think about it forever...

diehardbiker · 10-20-2006, 01:13 PM

Actually it is cheaper that way in long run because it minimize the need of officer being present. Remember, at ADmax, each cell has its own camera to monitor from control room. Meaning less people is needed to save money on labor. Because of tighter control, there is no way any inmates can start the riot or get involved. Believe it or not, only one prisoner at a time can come out of a cell! And any other prisoner can NOT see the hallway, therefore can not do much anything to cause trouble. Most of the time 2 guards, sometimes three is used to escort the prisoner. Even worse, the prison is always chained and shacked before coming out of the cell. Making it nearly impossible to injury the guards. Hey, the guards do NOT carry keys, the door locks and unlocks from the central control room. That way, it is under tight control.

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

Love the concept! That is true punishment. I always felt that solitary confinement was the way to go even if it costs so much. Just think of finally breaking the backs of the prison gangs this way. Can't talk to the guy in your cell, mealtime, rec time and etc. I can understand why they lose it mentally after a couple of months. Man is a social animal and take away the social aspect and insanity beckons them. Quite poetic if you ask me. Of course, there are always those (real hardcases) it doesn't affect greatly but that is rare. They gotta sit there and think about it forever...

jazzy · 10-20-2006, 01:33 PM

I never really believe in death penatly even after watched this awful video from Iran, my friend send it to me to watch. I got so sick after watch it and I think people who made the decision to put them death are worst monster and killers, they should be punished for stone those people to death.

Reba · 10-20-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

To me, it is a revenge because victims lost their life to killers.

It's not "revenge" because the execution is carried out by the state following the laws that protect society. It's NOT the victims' family executing the killer.

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I would consider the death penatly as murder the same if they put killers to death.

Murderers kill innocent victims. People who are executed for capital crimes are NOT innocent victims. They are killers, rapists, and pedophiles. BIG difference between the criminals and the victims.

I support the victims and their families.

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Punish killers is sentence them life to share with volience there. They will suffer there.

A "life" sentence doesn't always mean they stay in prison for the rest of life. Sometimes it's only a few years. Do you think that is fair?

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Death penatly is like put them sleep like we did with pets to save their suffer.

If you think the death penalty is the same thing as putting pets to sleep, then are you against putting pets to sleep?

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It will never solve anything to satisf

10-19-2006, 02:05 PM	#38 (permalink)
sr171soars Cyborg since March '05 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,377	Zips, Not a bad idea at that. I'm sure somebody will have a problem with it. __________________ But trailing clouds of glory till He comes... Foolishness is not a virtue

10-19-2006, 03:02 PM	#44 (permalink)
Kuifje75 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 422	I do not support the death penalty, however, I do not support housing the prisoners in prisons equiped with luxuries. I think a prison should mean just that, and I don't care if a spartan lifestyle is considered "unjust" punishment for prisoners, but I think that is the very point of the prisons. Take away their gameboys, libraries, etc... Of course, I intend to mean that for the sentenced-for-life prisoners. It is sometimes amazing how stupid the government can be, spending too much than necessary. __________________ Megvan a repülőjegyem, az útlevelem, kész vagyok az útazásra.

10-20-2006, 06:24 AM	#46 (permalink)
Kuifje75 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 422	Ja, ik weet dat Kuifje is nederlands. :-) Ik kan niet spraken goed nederlands, sorry! When I was growing up, people said that I look like the Belgian comic figure, Tintin. Even my hair is styled a bit like his. Plus, I love to travel and go on adventures. So, it seemed that the name suited me well. When I visited Netherlands in 1999, my ex and I went shopping separately, and later on, he surprised me by giving me a Dutch version of one of Tintin's comic figures. Obviously, it says "De Avonturen van Kuifje" and it was the "Mannen op de Maan" that he gave me. When I chose my screenname for my IM, I saw that Tintin75 was already taken, so I tried Kuifje75 and it was not taken. So, I have stuck with it ever since then. You're funny with your quote, whilst it is true, I think I will stick with mine because of the relevancy to deafness. __________________ Megvan a repülőjegyem, az útlevelem, kész vagyok az útazásra.

10-20-2006, 07:25 AM	#47 (permalink)
Badboy2 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: South-Africa Posts: 99	About death penalty I believe that death penalty have right do do for who are mudered. But bad luck our country have no law right dead penalty. We still fight. Too many people sitting in prisoner and enjoy free food, study and get very few grant. Then come free out. Who man rape woman must cut in pvt bec next time cant rape again. to people who kill the another person.

10-20-2006, 01:33 PM	#54 (permalink)
jazzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,924	I never really believe in death penatly even after watched this awful video from Iran, my friend send it to me to watch. I got so sick after watch it and I think people who made the decision to put them death are worst monster and killers, they should be punished for stone those people to death. __________________

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10-19-2006, 01:07 PM	#37 (permalink)
zips Nutty Bird Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Barnsley, UK Posts: 51	I got an idea...all murderers, rapists and paedophiles should be shipped to somewhere like Alcatraz and left to their own devices...let em sort each other out...do a minimal food drop once a week and shoot any of the buggers who tries to escape! No-one deserves to live a comfortable life after despicable crimes...if they aren't executed then they spend the rest of their days in comfort...THAT JUST AIN'T RIGHT!! zips x

10-20-2006, 05:01 AM	#45 (permalink)
Cloggy Gravity Sucks Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,631 Blog Entries: 5	Kuifje, Where did you come up with that name... It's pure Dutch/Vlaams!! "Once done is better than ten times seen."

10-20-2006, 11:24 AM	#50 (permalink)
JLFWildKat Guest Posts: n/a	In a way I guess I do, depending on the crime & on severe it is. But with lethal Injection, its a painless process. Electric chair the can suffer like they made the victim. But also giving them the death penalty is the quick way out. When the get "Life" in prison with NO Parole. They pay for their crime for the rest of their life. But then again when the die right away from the death penalty the quicker the have their one way ticket straight to hell & have to deal with no one but the devil himself. I guess you can say I got mixed feelings on this subject.

10-20-2006, 12:37 PM	#51 (permalink)
diehardbiker Busy in poker room Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,880	I think painless death penalty is way too easy for most criminals! I just wish that most of death penalty to include painful as a final lesson. Anyway, I was in favor of death penalty until I learn about Admax "The alcatraz on the rockies" or "The tomb" as refer to most attorneys. I find that Admax seems to do better job in punishing these crooks! What is Admax? It is much like a hole that you have to live in there for rest of your life with NOBODY to interact, nobody to talk with, just 99.99% soliditary confidenment, Whats even worse, you have no friggin idea exact where you are, and that lights remains on 24 hours each day, no break and you got to eat in the hole, sleep on concrete bed and have a camera watching you all the time. Since 1992, almost all inmates who entered there ended up got their mind messed up big time after just 3 months! What I like about Admax is that the crimainals HAVE to sit and wait for their natural death to come up. That really messed up their mind! And they deserve that! Escape? Almost impossible! There is too many barriers there with technologies and silent attack dogs (Dogs were trained not to make any sounds UNTIL in front of a person! like in surprise) And there is only way to gain access there is by only one tunnel. Depending on the nature of crime, those who classified the top rank worst crime is NOT allowed to have any visitors of any kind except only attorney who represent the criminals is allowed.