Originally Posted by jillio

I did not selectively choose a "Catholic group of my similar view and agenda." If you had been able to read and comprehend that which you were reading, I posted directly from their publications, the Catholic stance on the issue of the death penalty. Why don't you go back and read it agian, and then you can read my explanation to Cheri on groups and subgroups and individuals and the ways in which group identity affects personal values? If you really concentrate, maybe you will be able to understand it.

And like I said, you can't use religious belief in a discussion of civil law. You have bombed out on all other counts, so now you are attempting to divert using yet another unrealted topic...your religious beliefs. The death penalty is civil law, and not religious law. Once again, try to stay focused and stick to the topic. You lost the debate long ago by being unfocused and bringing up issues that are totlaly irrelevant. Perhaps you think if you are confusing people enough you will sound as if you know what you are talking about. Trust me, it isn't working!

I don't know what Bible you are reading, but I've never read one where Jesus granted any power of civil law to the State....particularly since the judical system as it exists today in the United States wasn't even in existence.

Originally Posted by jillio

There you go with all that convoluted logic again. Nothing you are saying makes any sense whatsoever. Do you even try to read the posts to which you are replying, because it is quite obvious from your replies that if you are reading them, you aren't comprehending them. If you are going attempt to debate, you really need to read carefully and respond appropriately. Instead, you are just stringing a bunch of words together in an attempt to dazzle. Unfortunately for you quantity is not a replacement for quality. Try to focus. You might learn something in the process.

Originally Posted by jiro123

read my response to Chase's comment to "un-confuse" yourself. Show me where I said that Jesus and Bible does NOT support death penalty.

Originally Posted by jiro123

yak yak yak... 17 pages and still no solid argument with statistic and such.... I guess dissecting your belief/ethic didn't work. oh well.... off to see Iron Man!

Originally Posted by jiro123

Thank you but it's same thing.

dictionary.com - data: -noun (used with a plural verb) individual facts, statistics, or items of information:
m-w.com - "data: actual information (as measurements or statistics) used as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or calculation

Originally Posted by shel90

I just taught my 3rd graders the concept of data...according to the curriculm from the public school, data is information gathered while statistics are the results from the information gathered.