The Death Penalty - Page 15

jiro123 · 05-08-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Once again, it is not "data", it is "statisitics". And Ihave never claimed that capital punishment causes crime rates to increase, so why should I support a claim I never made? Please show me where I said that capital punshment causes crime rates to increase.

Thank you but it's same thing.

dictionary.com - data: -noun (used with a plural verb) individual facts, statistics, or items of information:
m-w.com - "data: actual information (as measurements or statistics) used as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or calculation

Cheri · 05-08-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Referring to Liebling's posting - Myths about the death penalty

Looks like I got mixed up Liebling with Jillio! Silly me

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Originally Posted by Liebling

Yes death penalty does not reduce the crimes but create more problems.

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Ok but I would have to disagree, I believe it does not create more problems, in fact I believe it reduces crime.

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Originally Posted by Jillio

It has not been shown to reduce crime at all.

From posts 229-233-234

KarissaMann05 · 05-08-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes, that´s right. Everyone should not feel bad and say that it´s their fault... Everyone would say that it´s not my fault when I raise my child well but a lot of parents feel guilty and wondering themselves why and what have they done anything wrong. I experienced like this in real life.

I am sure that you read my post at other thread (my both hands burnt) that 15 years old girl of my co-worker hanged herself last December 2007. I know my co-worker is a great mother. She focus herself and kept saying to herself what and how have she done anything wrong to lead her daughter to end her life? She took it very badly. I gave her loving support and tried to convince her that it´s not her fault......... I know that feeling... It´s not just her but other friends of mine as well. My parents as well. My mother did not attend my sister´s funeral at 2 years ago... Why? She feel guilty for bad mother to her... My Dad told me that he feel guilty, too for bad father to her... but he still attended her funeral... He cried a lot... I comfort him... and positive him... I posted the story about my sister at other thread... and posted the story to this thread about 2 years old girl of my friend was thrown out of 10th floor window. I got awfully shock because my both friends (parents) are murderer and victimize. (husband killed daughter and tempt to kill her wife)... Please read my story this thread... I think few pages after Bear post.

*I have to go off for work now and will make further posts later.*

Whoa... Yes, please. I like to read yours because I don't read yours yet. Where is it?

jillio · 05-08-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Thank you but it's same thing.

dictionary.com - data: -noun (used with a plural verb) individual facts, statistics, or items of information:
m-w.com - "data: actual information (as measurements or statistics) used as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or calculation

No its not the same thing, and if you knew anything at all about research or data collection, you would already know that.

And, you can start with these citations. Read and learn.

Acker, James R. (2007). Impose an immediate moratorium on executions. Criminology and Public Policy. 6(4). p. 641-650.

Dambrun, M. (2007). Understanding the relationship between racial prejudice and support for the death penalty: The racial punitive bias hypothesis. Social Justice Research. 40(2). p. 228-249.

Reardon, M., O'Neil, K., & Levett, L. (2007.) Deciding mental retardation and mental illness in capital cases: The effects of procedure, evidence, and attitudes. Psychology, Crime, and Law. 13(6). p.537-557.

Sarat, Austin. (2008). Law and Society Review.42(1). p.183-224.

jillio · 05-08-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

From posts 229-233-234

Saying that it has not been shown to reduce crime is not the same thing as saying it increases crime. Those are 2 very different statements with 2 very different meanings.

So, once again, show me where I said that it increases crime.

jiro123 · 05-08-2008, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowpuppy

#402.....not a single case-not one-in which it is clear...it's a negative...it is not clear
this is saying not a single case in which it is clear......it is implying there is no proof anyone has been wrongly executed....it does not imply proof that noone has died wrongly. It only claims no proof that anyone has. It is not clear.
It's called wishful thinking when you believe what your mind wants it to believe.
Need Chase's help here.....or other english pros

It is unambiguously worded. That doesn't mean I'm wrong or you're right. but yes we need english prof here! I also supplied another quote that despite of exhaustive research - nobody has been wrongfully-executed so.....

can you prove it to me that somebody has been wrongfully-executed?????

jillio · 05-08-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowpuppy

#402.....not a single case-not one-in which it is clear...it's a negative...it is not clear
this is saying not a single case in which it is clear......it is implying there is no proof anyone has been wrongly executed....it does not imply proof that noone has died wrongly. It only claims no proof that anyone has. It is not clear.
It's called wishful thinking when you believe what your mind wants it to believe.
Need Chase's help here.....or other english pros

You've got it. Jiro is assuming implied proof of something which is not demonstrated in Scalia's statement.

jillio · 05-08-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

It is unambiguously worded. That doesn't mean I'm wrong or you're right. but yes we need english prof here! I also supplied another quote that despite of exhaustive research - nobody has been wrongfully-executed so.....

can you prove it to me that somebody has been wrongfully-executed?????

Can you prove that they haven't?

KarissaMann05 · 05-08-2008, 12:26 AM

I hate to say it.

That's so bullshit. I was taught by my ex HS that execution can take innocents and I got a few stories from people I barely know. I am so surprise that post claimed there is no wrongfully executed innocents, well, I respectfully disagreed. YES, it does happen. So, I have nothing to say. =/

Cheri · 05-08-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Saying that it has not been shown to reduce crime is not the same thing as saying it increases crime. Those are 2 very different statements with 2 very different meanings.

So, once again, show me where I said that it increases crime.

Don't jump to the conclusion, I was only listing the posts of what been said on another page.

jillio · 05-08-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

It is unambiguously worded. That doesn't mean I'm wrong or you're right. but yes we need english prof here! I also supplied another quote that despite of exhaustive research - nobody has been wrongfully-executed so.....

can you prove it to me that somebody has been wrongfully-executed?????

unambiguously is not a word.

jiro123 · 05-08-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Can you prove that they haven't?

I already did. Your turn.

jiro123 · 05-08-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

unambiguously is not a word.

You might want to check your dictionary before you say that.

PowerON · 05-08-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

Jillio vs. Jiro123

Interesting, indeed, interesting.

what? no poweron vs karissamann05?!?

KarissaMann05 · 05-08-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

what? no poweron vs karissamann05?!?

Huh?

PowerON · 05-08-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowpuppy

CAITAL PUNISHMENT DOES CAUSE CRIME TO INCREASE?????? whoever made that claim....the argument is 'deter'....not to increase....you have made up some kind of new rules to some game in your head.....no one ever claimed it would increase crime....that works for your argument I suppose though....tsk tsk

It's female fault for take apple and offer to her boyfriend. It make all male become evil. It lead male create the law and give death punishment for many thousand years.

jillio · 05-08-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

I already did. Your turn.

Are you high? You haven't proven anything. You have given an opinion. That hardly qualifies as proof. How, exactly, do you think you can prove that a man was innocent folowing his death, when with his death, the case is closed, and no further evidence is sought? Have they gone back and run DNA evidence on every executed criminal? How do you know that there is not DNA evidence available that could posthumously exonerate an executed man? It has been used to free innocent men many times that have spent years in prison under wrongful conviction.

jillio · 05-08-2008, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

You might want to check your dictionary before you say that.

I already have. And what you meant to say was that it was ambiguously worded.

KarissaMann05 · 05-08-2008, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

It's female fault for take apple and offer to her boyfriend. It make all male become evil. It lead male create the law and give death punishment for many thousand years.

How sexist comment.

Peace.

jillio · 05-08-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

It's female fault for take apple and offer to her boyfriend. It make all male become evil. It lead male create the law and give death punishment for many thousand years.

jillio · 05-08-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Don't jump to the conclusion, I was only listing the posts of what been said on another page.

Obviously in reply to my request that it be shown where it had been claimed that the death penalty increased crime. Why else would you collect all of those posts making the statement that it does not reduce crime?

jiro123 · 05-08-2008, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Are you high?

not really. You have repeatedly failed to prove to me that criminals have been wrongfully-executed many many times. Look back and I believe I've sufficiently proved my case. You haven't done it ONCE. All you did are obfuscating and asking me to prove it when I already proved it several times. You almost tricked me into thinking you're Hillary Clinton!!!

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Originally Posted by jillio

I already have. And what you meant to say was that it was ambiguously worded.

Oh no no. I meant to say it was unambiguously worded. You chose to say it is ambiguously worded. We can run around the tree till we drop. The only way to know for sure is to ask Judge Scalia for clarification. But it is obvious he is not against death penalty.

jiro123 · 05-08-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Obviously in reply to my request that it be shown where it had been claimed that the death penalty increased crime. Why else would you collect all of those posts making the statement that it does not reduce crime?

Oh by the way - I already showed that death penalty does reduce murders. See my previous post

Wokamuka · 05-08-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

It's female fault for take apple and offer to her boyfriend. It make all male become evil. It lead male create the law and give death punishment for many thousand years.

This is too rich for me!

jillio · 05-08-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

not really. You have repeatedly failed to prove to me that criminals have been wrongfully-executed many many times. Look back and I believe I've sufficiently proved my case. You haven't done it ONCE. All you did are obfuscating and asking me to prove it when I already proved it several times. You almost tricked me into thinking you're Hillary Clinton!!!

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KarissaMann05 Jessie's Character Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,868 Blog Entries: 9	I hate to say it. That's so bullshit. I was taught by my ex HS that execution can take innocents and I got a few stories from people I barely know. I am so surprise that post claimed there is no wrongfully executed innocents, well, I respectfully disagreed. YES, it does happen. So, I have nothing to say. =/ __________________ Credit by KarissaMann05

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