denied rape kit true!!! here are sources

Babyblue · 03-04-2008, 04:24 PM

Student Denied a Rape Kit at Several Hospitals? « Women’s Health News

I know GT should have gave a link for the sources. but I found it and it is

Liebling:-))) · 03-04-2008, 04:33 PM

I was like *sigh* when anyone demand for sources since GTM already said that she typed and copy what her magazine written in her thread.

I read weekly magazine but it often doesn´t go to websites. It put me off when anyone demand for source when I want to type and copy what my weekly magazine written. It look like that source is important to them than my word?

Sure, I would provide the link if I see anything in websites but any magazines?

I posted my story what I know from weekly magazine at GTM´s thread but it was being lock... It took me long 10 minutes to type...then lock... it waste my time to type... I will re-type this thread tomorrow. *sigh*

Babyblue · 03-04-2008, 04:50 PM

mods you can merge the thread to GT thread when the review is over.

Cheri · 03-04-2008, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I was like *sigh* when anyone demand for sources since GTM already said that she typed and copy what her magazine written in her thread.

She didn't say at the begin what magazine, we need to know where the source came from, so there's no misleading false information. That's all, no harm to it.

Thanks for providing the source, Babyblue. It's terrible how the hospital staffs had treated her, they cannot absolutely refused future testing, I can't believe that hospital. If any patients has reporting problems, doctors need to check that problem out. I believe she will win the fight in the end. I'm praying for her that it'll go her way.

Babyblue · 03-04-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

She didn't say at the begin what magazine, we need to know where the source came from, so there's no misleading false information. That's all, no harm to it.

Thanks for providing the source, Babyblue. It's terrible how the hospital staffs had treated her, they cannot absolutely refused future testing, I can't believe that hospital. If any patients has reporting problems, doctors need to check that problem out. I believe she will win the fight in the end. I'm praying for her that it'll go her way.

How true... Even if she was intoxicated they should have check her out, She could have died from the "alleged drug" or alcohol in her system. And went ahead with the rape kit due to she requested it. "Treatments are not supposed to be denied. especially if she was incoherent. You would think one would examine why??

As for the cops. I can not understand why they did not write a report.

As for the second visit. Her rectum was hurting. and still! no one would examine her!

Makes me wonder if she did not have any insurance or if she owed previous Hospital bill. (Services are not to be denied do to inability to pay) Isn't this suppose to be the law?? Now I'm not saying that is what happened. but I can not figure out why in the heck she was denied.

Now she is traumatized and it will be hard for her to prove if she was raped due to she was denied a rape kit, police report...and second examination.

I wish her the best of luck..

Byrdie714 · 03-04-2008, 06:44 PM

Here is another link: GW sued for negligence, malpractice - News

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A Howard student is suing the University for negligence and medical malpractice because she said she was raped and denied proper care at GW Hospital because she allegedly appeared intoxicated, according to documents filed in D.C. Superior Court.

The plaintiff, a 19-year-old sophomore, also filed suit against the District, Howard University Hospital and several local doctors. The complaint states she was given a date-rape drug at an off-campus party near Howard and was then denied a rape kit at several hospitals - including GW.

A rape kit is a collection of bodily fluids and samples taken after a possible sexual assault to help identify the perpetrator. It can include semen, blood and body tissue.

GW Hospital allegedly denied her treatment because doctors at Howard said she appeared intoxicated, according to court documents.

The Hatchet is withholding the female student's name due to its policy of not naming individuals who have reported being victims of sexual crimes.

She is also suing the University and its hospital for negligent hiring.

The plaintiff is asking for compensatory damages, a court order to have her case properly investigated and revision of GW Hospital's rape treatment policies.

"There is no legitimate reason why it was handled this way," said Bruce Spiva, her attorney. "She has really been hurt by this and is reluctant to speak out publicly."

David Garofalo, a spokesperson for the Medical Faculty Associates, said the allegations against Christopher Lang, a GW physician named in the lawsuit, are "without merit."

In court documents, the University states that the defendants "at all times complied with the applicable standard of care and were in no way negligent."

"When a young woman comes into a sexual assault center, she ought to be given a test for date-rape drugs," Spiva said. "She ought not be denied or questioned as if she'd done something wrong."

In the complaint, the alleged victim said that the defendants' misconduct and failure to act may have allowed her assailant to remain free.

The complaint stated that during an off-campus house party in December 2006 the plaintiff was given a date-rape drug that rendered her semiconscious. One of the hosts then took her to a room where he allegedly anally penetrated her at around 3 a.m.

Immediately after the alleged assault, she sought medical assistance at Howard University Hospital, accompanied by two witnesses, according to the complaint.

Court documents also add that she appeared intoxicated and was therefore denied a rape kit and sent home. It also states she was drifting in and out of consciousness and vomiting.

The plaintiff returned to Howard University Hospital the next morning and was again denied a rape kit - at which point the Metropolitan Police Department was notified, according to the complaint. They also said they felt a rape kit was unnecessary, according to court documents.

"A sexual assault kit is for police to recover evidence," said Sergeant Ronald Reid of the MPD Sex Assault Unit. "So if we don't have reason to believe a crime happened we wouldn't administer a rape kit."

The plaintiff then drove to GW Hospital, where Lang examined her according to court documents. The complaint states he also denied her a rape kit because both the police and Howard's hospital had already refused. Lang, who is listed as a defendant, did not return several calls from The Hatchet.

The complaint states "(the plaintiff) has been violated twice: first by an assailant who likely drugged and assaulted her, and then, by the defendants … which refused to take her seriously and which refused to provide her the reasonable care she was owed."

"This is not really a customary case," Spiva said. He compared it to the 2006 murder of New York Times reporter David E. Rosenbaum. He was also refused care at the hospital because he appeared intoxicated.

Gina Scaramella, a spokesperson for the Boston Area Rape Crisis Center, said a person cannot consent to a rape kit if they are intoxicated. She added the plaintiff should have been able to receive treatment the following morning. The only reason to deny a rape kit to a sober person is if several days had passed, she said.

"Only after (the designated time frame has passed) it is OK to deny a rape kit, or for someone with significant mental illness who comes in and asks for a kit repeatedly," Scaramella said. "But that's pretty rare."

Spiva said he hopes to prevent this type of treatment in the future. "The complaint speaks for itself in terms of the outrageousness of what happened," Spiva said. "We're partially doing this so that nobody else gets treated this way."

He added they hope to go to trial soon, and that the amount of potential damages will be determined by the jury.

GarnetTigerMom · 03-04-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I was like *sigh* when anyone demand for sources since GTM already said that she typed and copy what her magazine written in her thread.

I read weekly magazine but it often doesn´t go to websites. It put me off when anyone demand for source when I want to type and copy what my weekly magazine written. It look like that source is important to them than my word?

Sure, I would provide the link if I see anything in websites but any magazines?

I posted my story what I know from weekly magazine at GTM´s thread but it was being lock... It took me long 10 minutes to type...then lock... it waste my time to type... I will re-type this thread tomorrow. *sigh*

Thanks for caring. I can't believe that my thread is locked when I saw the rules on ADers say no need to required a link. So all I did was provide where I get my informations. Seems time and time again it like a "Demand" or "must" to them to have link source. So high school and immature.

From MOD: Read my reply to your post below.

GarnetTigerMom · 03-04-2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

mods you can merge the thread to GT thread when the review is over.

Thank you babyblue. :-)

Babyblue · 03-04-2008, 09:25 PM

your quite welcome.. I remember reading about this not long ago.. So I knew your post was based on a true story.

GarnetTigerMom · 03-04-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

How true... Even if she was intoxicated they should have check her out, She could have died from the "alleged drug" or alcohol in her system. And went ahead with the rape kit due to she requested it. "Treatments are not supposed to be denied. especially if she was incoherent. You would think one would examine why??

As for the cops. I can not understand why they did not write a report.

As for the second visit. Her rectum was hurting. and still! no one would examine her!

Makes me wonder if she did not have any insurance or if she owed previous Hospital bill. (Services are not to be denied do to inability to pay) Isn't this suppose to be the law?? Now I'm not saying that is what happened. but I can not figure out why in the heck she was denied.

Now she is traumatized and it will be hard for her to prove if she was raped due to she was denied a rape kit, police report...and second examination.

I wish her the best of luck..

I agree it was wrong of the doctors and police to deny her rights to be tested for the drug in her system and sexually assulted. I believe she did the right thing to stand up and take them to court. If the table were turned on me and If I were in her shoes. I would really sue the hospital and the police department for not doing their sworn duties. Doctors and police are suppose to help people not abuse the system when they ask for help.

GarnetTigerMom · 03-04-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

your quite welcome.. I remember reading about this not long ago.. So I knew your post was based on a true story.

Thanks again babyblue, I always love to read true stories that anything we women need to be aware of the dangers we face in real life and how to avoid the danger after learning what happen to that person. It can be educational and helpful and help other women get support to protect themselves against rape.

jillio · 03-04-2008, 10:35 PM

The fact that this young woman was denied a rape kit is inexcusable. I personally work as part of a Sexual Assault Crisis Response team. Anytime a sexual assault victim arrives in the emergency room, the members of the team that are on call at that time respond by going to the ER to assist the victim. The team members include a SANE nurse (sexual assault nurse examiner) who always, always does a rape kit and exam as soon as the preliminary paperwork has been completed. The SART team members are the only ones who handle rape cases, and 1 team member from each agency is always on call 24-7. Regular ER doctors don't even attempt to handle the sexual assualt cases, but simply put the victim in a consultation room, and calls the SART team members. We respond to all sexual assault cases, including child sexual assault. Team members include legal advocates, counselors, and medical professionals.

The way this young woman was treated is ridiculas.

***LinuxGold*** · 03-04-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Thanks for caring. I can't believe that my thread is locked when I saw the rules on ADers say no need to required a link. So all I did was provide where I get my informations. Seems time and time again it like a "Demand" or "must" to them to have link source. So high school and immature.

From this link I quote:

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You can avoid plagiarism by always citing your sources, including any and all resources and information found on the Web, via the Internet, or other electronic sources...

We do not allow plagiarism without citing the source.

And your remark about "So immature and so high school" isn't mature either.

***VamPyroX*** · 03-05-2008, 12:57 AM

Whether she was denied a rape kit or not, it's hard to say if she was really raped or not when the victim was intoxicated.

When people drink, they should drink responsibly. If they don't drink responsibly, then others shouldn't always be held responsible for her actions.

jillio · 03-05-2008, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Whether she was denied a rape kit or not, it's hard to say if she was really raped or not when the victim was intoxicated.

When people drink, they should drink responsibly. If they don't drink responsibly, then others shouldn't always be held responsible for her actions.

Simply being intoxicated is not justification for rape. And a rape kit offers evidence of force. Without it, no one knows. Had she been provided with a competent examination, there could very well have been evidence of rape. Others that you speak of need to be held responsible for their own actions.

Buffalo · 03-05-2008, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Whether she was denied a rape kit or not, it's hard to say if she was really raped or not when the victim was intoxicated.

When people drink, they should drink responsibly. If they don't drink responsibly, then others shouldn't always be held responsible for her actions.

Date-rape drug (roofie) can make one looks drunk even if the drinker only had one drink. I think the GW should change their policy on that. I can understand why they would refuse the repeater but it sounds like she is at the GW for the first time.

She was raped twice... literally by the perp and figuratively by the GW.

Buffalo · 03-05-2008, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

The fact that this young woman was denied a rape kit is inexcusable. I personally work as part of a Sexual Assault Crisis Response team. Anytime a sexual assault victim arrives in the emergency room, the members of the team that are on call at that time respond by going to the ER to assist the victim. The team members include a SANE nurse (sexual assault nurse examiner) who always, always does a rape kit and exam as soon as the preliminary paperwork has been completed. The SART team members are the only ones who handle rape cases, and 1 team member from each agency is always on call 24-7. Regular ER doctors don't even attempt to handle the sexual assualt cases, but simply put the victim in a consultation room, and calls the SART team members. We respond to all sexual assault cases, including child sexual assault. Team members include legal advocates, counselors, and medical professionals.

The way this young woman was treated is ridiculas.

What is their policy on doing rape kit on one who was too drunk? Would the evidence disappear if GW waited until morning? I mean if the victim had to go to the bathroom for number two.

Cheri · 03-05-2008, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Simply being intoxicated is not justification for rape. And a rape kit offers evidence of force. Without it, no one knows. Had she been provided with a competent examination, there could very well have been evidence of rape. Others that you speak of need to be held responsible for their own actions.

I agree with you there, jillio, It doesn't matter how intoxicated she is, it doesn't give anyone a right to take advantage of an intoxicated person. The hospital did was wrong, should have provide rape kit even if she's intoxicated. I never heard a service was refused when a person is intoxicated, even when I know an intoxicated drunk was stabbed, the doctors still worked on that patient.

Liebling:-))) · 03-05-2008, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

She didn't say at the begin what magazine, we need to know where the source came from, so there's no misleading false information. That's all, no harm to it.

Yes, she have said at the begin of her thread that she learn from her magazine. Is it misleading information if I share the story what I learn from my weekly German magazine when there're no websites around? I am going to create a new thread later. If you want to quote my post then post my new thread, not here.

Liebling:-))) · 03-05-2008, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Whether she was denied a rape kit or not, it's hard to say if she was really raped or not when the victim was intoxicated.

When people drink, they should drink responsibly. If they don't drink responsibly, then others shouldn't always be held responsible for her actions.

I would like to share the story from the German weekly magazine, I read but I can't because ADers will demand the source case they think I mislead the information. I rather to not say anything ... *Zip my mouth*

Liebling:-))) · 03-05-2008, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Simply being intoxicated is not justification for rape. And a rape kit offers evidence of force. Without it, no one knows. Had she been provided with a competent examination, there could very well have been evidence of rape. Others that you speak of need to be held responsible for their own actions.

Yes, that's right.

It can confirm thru blood test that something was put in the drink to make girls black out and remember nothing what happened afterward. They also can confirm sperms thru different DNA how many guys sex with her.

Liebling:-))) · 03-05-2008, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Thanks again babyblue, I always love to read true stories that anything we women need to be aware of the dangers we face in real life and how to avoid the danger after learning what happen to that person. It can be educational and helpful and help other women get support to protect themselves against rape.

Yes, me too. I love to read true story, no matter either it's mislead information or not but those stories is helpful and educational for all of us.

Liebling:-))) · 03-05-2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

I agree it was wrong of the doctors and police to deny her rights to be tested for the drug in her system and sexually assulted. I believe she did the right thing to stand up and take them to court. If the table were turned on me and If I were in her shoes. I would really sue the hospital and the police department for not doing their sworn duties. Doctors and police are suppose to help people not abuse the system when they ask for help.

Yes, that's exactly. I support girl and wish her good luck win at court.

I read that the doctors informed police after test Rape Kit victims in Berlin, Frankfurt and Hamburg. Some arrest, some not. They took Rape Kit victims serious which is good thing. Their experiences help us to learn how to protect ourselves.

Byrdie714 · 03-05-2008, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

The fact that this young woman was denied a rape kit is inexcusable. I personally work as part of a Sexual Assault Crisis Response team. Anytime a sexual assault victim arrives in the emergency room, the members of the team that are on call at that time respond by going to the ER to assist the victim. The team members include a SANE nurse (sexual assault nurse examiner) who always, always does a rape kit and exam as soon as the preliminary paperwork has been completed. The SART team members are the only ones who handle rape cases, and 1 team member from each agency is always on call 24-7. Regular ER doctors don't even attempt to handle the sexual assualt cases, but simply put the victim in a consultation room, and calls the SART team members. We respond to all sexual assault cases, including child sexual assault. Team members include legal advocates, counselors, and medical professionals.

The way this young woman was treated is ridiculas.

If that is how your system works, what is your response to the quote:

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03-04-2008, 04:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,570	denied rape kit true!!! here are sources Student Denied a Rape Kit at Several Hospitals? « Women’s Health News I know GT should have gave a link for the sources. but I found it and it is

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03-04-2008, 04:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) My 3 darling princesses Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 27,054	I was like sigh when anyone demand for sources since GTM already said that she typed and copy what her magazine written in her thread. I read weekly magazine but it often doesn´t go to websites. It put me off when anyone demand for source when I want to type and copy what my weekly magazine written. It look like that source is important to them than my word? Sure, I would provide the link if I see anything in websites but any magazines? I posted my story what I know from weekly magazine at GTM´s thread but it was being lock... It took me long 10 minutes to type...then lock... it waste my time to type... I will re-type this thread tomorrow. sigh

03-04-2008, 04:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,570	mods you can merge the thread to GT thread when the review is over.

03-04-2008, 09:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,570	your quite welcome.. I remember reading about this not long ago.. So I knew your post was based on a true story.

03-04-2008, 10:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,197	The fact that this young woman was denied a rape kit is inexcusable. I personally work as part of a Sexual Assault Crisis Response team. Anytime a sexual assault victim arrives in the emergency room, the members of the team that are on call at that time respond by going to the ER to assist the victim. The team members include a SANE nurse (sexual assault nurse examiner) who always, always does a rape kit and exam as soon as the preliminary paperwork has been completed. The SART team members are the only ones who handle rape cases, and 1 team member from each agency is always on call 24-7. Regular ER doctors don't even attempt to handle the sexual assualt cases, but simply put the victim in a consultation room, and calls the SART team members. We respond to all sexual assault cases, including child sexual assault. Team members include legal advocates, counselors, and medical professionals. The way this young woman was treated is ridiculas.