Iraq: Stay or Leave?

lumbingmi · 03-02-2008, 05:52 PM

I would like to see what your opinion about Iraq War. Should we leave or we go?

I voted leave because it is pointless to stay there after Bush lied about Saddam having WMD. Also, we need to leave to allow people in Iraq to take problems on their own. No need to waste money and our people.

Byrdie714 · 03-02-2008, 06:04 PM

Stay.

We need to finish the job and the good new is that it's getting finished.

Now it's up to the Iraqis to continue the momentum.

Texan Guy · 03-02-2008, 09:42 PM

Stay until we finish the job.

GarnetTigerMom · 03-02-2008, 09:48 PM

I would say pull out the trops to bring our brothers, sisters , sons and daughters back home to US. There been enough blood shed a long time.

Pepsi · 03-02-2008, 10:00 PM

Bring them home, they have been there long enough. Iraq needs to stand on their own.

LuciaDisturbed · 03-02-2008, 11:21 PM

Bring the troops home. Enough is enough.

omegaman · 03-02-2008, 11:33 PM

There's no turning back now... I think they should stay until the Iraqi people can say that Iraq is a safe and free country to live in.

Calvin · 03-02-2008, 11:59 PM

Iraq is a waste of our time and we should not have involved into their problems in the first place. We should pull out troops back home and let the iraq deal with their own civil issues. Fighting terrorism is an excuse, it's everywhere not just Iraq. Why do we think Bushes is after Iraq for? Simple... Bushes is rich oil businessman. We seeing a lot of troubling economy here in American with rising gasoline prices, foreclosures. Bush isn't helping us much during his presidency

***VamPyroX*** · 03-03-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Stay.

We need to finish the job and the good new is that it's getting finished.

Now it's up to the Iraqis to continue the momentum.

Finish what job?

Liebling:-))) · 03-03-2008, 01:16 AM

I vote: troops should leave Iraq to be with their families.

I agree most of your posts here that troops should leave Iraq back to home to be with their families

Phillips · 03-03-2008, 06:45 AM

Vote...As long it takes, we stay until peace

If Soldier isn't there for us.. We will lose our freedom!

Foxrac · 03-03-2008, 08:05 AM

Bring them home, Iraq is obviously nothing but causes alot of economies trouble like Calvin said.

GarnetTigerMom · 03-03-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Calvin

Iraq is a waste of our time and we should not have involved into their problems in the first place. We should pull out troops back home and let the iraq deal with their own civil issues. Fighting terrorism is an excuse, it's everywhere not just Iraq. Why do we think Bushes is after Iraq for? Simple... Bushes is rich oil businessman. We seeing a lot of troubling economy here in American with rising gasoline prices, foreclosures. Bush isn't helping us much during his presidency

Hell, yeah! I agree with that. Bush have gone too far. I believe our americans troops been through enough hardship as it is. I hope the new president will do better.

KarissaMann05 · 03-03-2008, 08:42 AM

I agree; take them out of Iraq.

Everything is too much for what happened since 9/11. Enough is enough.

GarnetTigerMom · 03-03-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mann_K05

I agree; take them out of Iraq.

Everything is too much for what happened since 9/11. Enough is enough.

U got that right! Ever since 9/11 happened, Bush go over board pushing for war. I bet lot of people feel sucked to vote him the second time around. Sigh, :-)

PowerON · 03-03-2008, 09:09 AM

I'm surprise on some of you haven't know the history the same issues after WWII as they watch on German and Japan.

of course, they have been stay there for quite time until it's safe.

authentic · 03-03-2008, 09:16 AM

They need to leave Iraq, and enter Afghanistan, and Pakistan to capture Osama Bin Laden, and clean up its terrorists. We expected it to happen few years ago. We pay taxes, and the government spent too much money to those American soldiers, who are currently having a hard time to capture Osama Bin Laden.
What is up with that?

Byrdie714 · 03-03-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Finish what job?

See PowerOn's quote....

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

U got that right! Ever since 9/11 happened, Bush go over board pushing for war. I bet lot of people feel sucked to vote him the second time around. Sigh, :-)

Better choice than what "Scary Kerry" was.

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Originally Posted by PowerON

I'm surprise on some of you haven't know the history the same issues after WWII as they watch on German and Japan.

of course, they have been stay there for quite time until it's safe.

That's right. We took care of Germany and Japan, we stayed until their government was stablized. If we leave Iraq, we would have to go back again at a later date to take care of it again.

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Originally Posted by authentic

They need to leave Iraq, and enter Afghanistan, and Pakistan to capture Osama Bin Laden, and clean up its terrorists. We expected it to happen few years ago. We pay taxes, and the government spent too much money to those American soldiers, who are currently having a hard time to capture Osama Bin Laden.
What is up with that?

We are in Afghanistan but can't enter Pakistan due to Pakistan being a soverign nation. We would only go into Pakistan if Pakistan invites us in.

Do you remember that we had to ask Pakistan to use its airspace for our airplanes to get to Afghanistan?

We did ask, and they said, "yes".

authentic · 03-03-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

We are in Afghanistan but can't enter Pakistan due to Pakistan being a soverign nation. We would only go into Pakistan if Pakistan invites us in.

Do you remember that we had to ask Pakistan to use its airspace for our airplanes to get to Afghanistan?

We did ask, and they said, "yes".

Yes I know that already, but I personally believe that Osama is somewhere in Pakistan. The American government should negotiate Pakistan government to allow us to find Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan.

Secretblend · 03-03-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by authentic

Yes I know that already, but I personally believe that Osama is somewhere in Pakistan. The American government should negotiate Pakistan government to allow us to find Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan.

What makes you think they didn't try??

sara1981 · 03-03-2008, 11:41 PM

my vote would be Get hell out of Iraq

mostly military still in Iraq for one years or more years but i know mostly wives really worried about husband away for 16-18 months fighting wars that not easy for wife on the news about husband in Iraq im sure wives wanted ingores the news on television they would getting nightmares for husband getting injury for sure!

lumbingmi · 03-04-2008, 01:10 PM

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OUR BUREAUCRACY IS KILLING IRAQIS WHO HELP OUR TROOPS

By OWEN WEST

February 29, 2008 -- AS a Marine, I was taught never to leave a comrade-in-arms behind on the bat tlefield. But that's exactly what the State Department is doing to men and women who've sacrificed everything to help our troops - our Iraqi interpreters.
When I last left Iraq 12 months ago, I promised to save two "terps" marked for assassination. Last month, I received a desperate e-mail from one of them: "Sir my situatione is so bad naw please save my life. Please help me sir."

A year after making my promise, I'm deeply ashamed that I haven't completed the mission. And I'm not alone: To help "their" terps, Marines and soldiers across the country are battling a bureaucracy that is at times more maddening than the Iraqi insurgency.

Shunning those who risk death to help us deliver freedom is un-American.

On my second tour in Iraq in 2006-7, I was posted to an obscure town outside Ramadi to advise an Iraqi battalion. They were hardy soldiers with a hard mission - roadside bombs were commonplace in the area. My team couldn't have functioned without our two interpreters, who I'll call Alex and Reyes.

Soon after a childhood friend accused Alex of collaboration for serving as an interpreter, his brother was tortured to death in a dump. His father disowned him.

Reyes was wounded in a bombing that targeted the US troops for whom he was translating. When he went home to reassure his family, a neighbor saw the neat bandages - and spread the word that Reyes worked for the Americans, making him a marked man.

Iraqi interpreters are men and women without a country. By helping our troops, they're building a better future for Iraq - but they become prime targets for the enemy, and are forsaken even by ordinary Iraqis. Spies and assassins lurk in every city. The police and the army, with their scams and tribal loyalties, don't protect the terps - whose loyalty therefore lies with the Americans.

Alex and Reyes - two combat veterans, proven in loyalty and fluent in Arabic - wanted to become US Marines. Given the challenging stateside recruiting environment, I tried to get them fast-tracked - getting a general to write glowing letters of endorsement.

It took me two months after returning home to assemble the initial documents to apply for a special visa, which included two security screenings by the US military.

The packages then made their way through another screening by the Department of Homeland Security - which eventually forwarded them to State for its own lengthy screening and an entirely new set of paperwork.

Then a State Department clerk wrote to say that both "interrupters" needed new Iraqi passports. It was already clear that interrupting was exactly what State thought the terps were doing.

Bizarrely, State said the new passports were needed to prevent fraud. Yet State knows full well that anyone can get an Iraqi passport by forking over enough cash - top terrorists have two or three.

But you also have to apply in person, waiting in chaotic lines at one of just a few ministry offices. As marked men, the terps had to dress in sweat suits and infiltrate their hometowns to survive in the hours-long wait.

Alex had to pay $750 to get his new passport. Reyes was left in tears when told to come back with his father (who's dead) to prove his identity - or more cash.

Nine months into the whole process, State e-mailed Alex, telling him to report to Jordan with $380 for a visa interview. Another State e-mail informed Reyes that, since he'd served in the Iraqi Army, State needed his military record for its review.

State's requirement of Reyes - finding his Iraqi Ministry of Defense records - is dangerous, meaningless and probably impossible. Trying to get the file would expose him to assassins, and just about the only file you can easily (again, for cash) get from Iraqi government clerks is a forged one.

The problem for Alex was getting into Jordan - where most Iraqis are turned away at the border. (The lucky ones get herded into bribery-infested processing pens like cattle.) I asked State to help him get into Jordan - and last month was told he could pick up an "entry letter" - inside Jordan.

Meanwhile, though, State had cancelled his interview. The closest date it had available would come after his State Department security clearance had expired. He had to start over.

Now I understand why some of my peers have established underground railroads to Jordan - sneaking their terps through like hunted slaves. They've lost faith in their own government.

Iraq vets and terps now call State's paper maze the "waiting to die list" - because it requires interpreters to risk death to purchase passports and cross the border undisguised.

Congress has held hearings. Reporters have done newspaper and TV stories; there's even a play about State's obscene mess. Ambassador Ryan Crocker, the top US civilian in Iraq, has complained, citing "major bottlenecks" in a terse memo to State.

President Bush has a duty to intervene. The honorable remedy is to trust the US military: Let a returning brigade that wants to bring some of its interpreters home simply fill out the visa paperwork on base, then carry them along on the aircraft.

Whom should America trust more, the judgment of a Marine or Army brigade commander - or a faceless bureaucrat in Nebraska or Amman?

Owen West, a commodities trader, has served two tours in Iraq with the Marines.

BETRAYED BY STATE - New York Post

PowerON · 03-04-2008, 02:01 PM

Hillary wants to withdraw solider by small amount until 2012.

Obama wants to withdraw solider as many as possible until 2010.

McCain wants to increase few solider to Iraq until it's safe.

Huckabee wants nuke Iraq right away.

Byrdie714 · 03-05-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

BETRAYED BY STATE - New York Post

It is also an opinion by a columnist.....

Thanks for linking us to your source, "The New York Post", but unfortunately the author of the article didn't offer up his sources that these "terps" were in danger. It's basically, "I say this...and it's good enough."

Therefore it may be a fabricated story to flame anti-Iraq sentiment in this country.

I trust this link: Home*-*Iraqi News It offers the good, the bad and unfortunately the ugly. Anytime one is rebuilding a country, there are always going to be aches and pains.

Afterall America went though it when it was formed.

~*Kaelei*~ · 03-05-2008, 05:50 PM

I say we get the hell out of there...we're wasting our time there. Saddam is dead and there isn't really a point to be there. This whole war kinda been pointless and stupid since Bush got re-elected. *shakes head* We should bring our troops back home and focus on our country, to improve what we have been declining.

But I do agree that we need to get Bin Ladan...he's the one that started the whole mess of 9/11...and we need to hunt him down. But where in the hell do we find him???

***VamPyroX*** · 03-05-2008, 06:20 PM

Since we've been at war with Iraq for so long and so hard, it's going to be hard to pull out.

It's like someone else that's simply mean to others.

If you were walking down the street and saw this bully being mean to other people, you decide to intervene by fighting him. You keep fighting him and start calling him names. You don't let up. Every single time you see him, you hit him and call him more names. After years of doing this, you suddenly stop and walk away. How will this guy really feel? He will probably feel so enraged that he is now desperate to go all out on you.

A better solution would have been to approach this person, tell him to shut up... perhaps slap him around to show him who's boss and to stand down... then walk away. The result would likely be better.

So, if we back out right now... they will probably try to nuke us as soon as they get the chance.

View Poll Results: Should we stay or should we go?
As long it takes, we stay	22	32.35%
Get hell out of Iraq	46	67.65%
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03-02-2008, 05:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
lumbingmi Invigorated Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,610	Iraq: Stay or Leave? I would like to see what your opinion about Iraq War. Should we leave or we go? I voted leave because it is pointless to stay there after Bush lied about Saddam having WMD. Also, we need to leave to allow people in Iraq to take problems on their own. No need to waste money and our people.

03-02-2008, 06:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Byrdie714 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pacific County, Washington Posts: 3,635	Stay. We need to finish the job and the good new is that it's getting finished. Now it's up to the Iraqis to continue the momentum. __________________ I'll be away from AD on 10/13/08-10-20/08. Bon Voyage--Au Revoir--Sayonara! Y'all behave!

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Texan Guy IRELAND FOREVER! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,702	Stay until we finish the job. __________________ Vote Republican!

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GarnetTigerMom Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,595	I would say pull out the trops to bring our brothers, sisters , sons and daughters back home to US. There been enough blood shed a long time. __________________ GarnetTigerMom "The rain may be falling hard outside, But your smile makes it all alright. I'm so glad that you're my friend. I know our friendship will never end." -- Robert Alan

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Pepsi The One and Only Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 2,838	Bring them home, they have been there long enough. Iraq needs to stand on their own. __________________

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LuciaDisturbed Amateur Psychiatrist Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 4,819	Bring the troops home. Enough is enough. __________________ We will assimilate you. Resistance is futile. We will add your distinctiveness to our Collective. Implanted left ear 10/11/06, activated 10/16/06 - Nucleus Freedom DeviantArt

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omegaman ambient Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Remember what the doorknob said... Posts: 830	There's no turning back now... I think they should stay until the Iraqi people can say that Iraq is a safe and free country to live in. __________________

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Calvin Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: California Posts: 1,670	Iraq is a waste of our time and we should not have involved into their problems in the first place. We should pull out troops back home and let the iraq deal with their own civil issues. Fighting terrorism is an excuse, it's everywhere not just Iraq. Why do we think Bushes is after Iraq for? Simple... Bushes is rich oil businessman. We seeing a lot of troubling economy here in American with rising gasoline prices, foreclosures. Bush isn't helping us much during his presidency __________________

03-03-2008, 01:16 AM	#10 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Hiiiiiii it's meeeeee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 25,702	I vote: troops should leave Iraq to be with their families. I agree most of your posts here that troops should leave Iraq back to home to be with their families

03-03-2008, 06:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
Phillips Lets ride horses! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhere in Northeast Posts: 6,806 Blog Entries: 3	Vote...As long it takes, we stay until peace If Soldier isn't there for us.. We will lose our freedom! __________________ *Enjoy life today, Yesterday has past and Tomorrow may never come.*

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Foxrac o_O Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,437	Bring them home, Iraq is obviously nothing but causes alot of economies trouble like Calvin said. __________________ Obama-Biden '08

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KarissaMann05 Jessie's Character Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,564 Blog Entries: 6	I agree; take them out of Iraq. Everything is too much for what happened since 9/11. Enough is enough. __________________ Credit by KarissaMann05 Disclaimers: It's just an expression of my feeling, so I really don't hate them at all.

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authentic Прежний глухой Агент КГБ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: CCCP Posts: 2,322	They need to leave Iraq, and enter Afghanistan, and Pakistan to capture Osama Bin Laden, and clean up its terrorists. We expected it to happen few years ago. We pay taxes, and the government spent too much money to those American soldiers, who are currently having a hard time to capture Osama Bin Laden. What is up with that? __________________

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sara1981 Batista's Fans Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Little Rock,Ar Posts: 3,057	my vote would be Get hell out of Iraq mostly military still in Iraq for one years or more years but i know mostly wives really worried about husband away for 16-18 months fighting wars that not easy for wife on the news about husband in Iraq im sure wives wanted ingores the news on television they would getting nightmares for husband getting injury for sure! __________________

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PowerON Please don't click me! D: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Would like to live at Fort Davis, TX Posts: 4,275 Blog Entries: 1	Hillary wants to withdraw solider by small amount until 2012. Obama wants to withdraw solider as many as possible until 2010. McCain wants to increase few solider to Iraq until it's safe. Huckabee wants nuke Iraq right away. __________________ • [Illustrator.Blog-alloon.com] • Don't shoot me! I'm only blogger!

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~Kaelei~ Slytherin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 185	I say we get the hell out of there...we're wasting our time there. Saddam is dead and there isn't really a point to be there. This whole war kinda been pointless and stupid since Bush got re-elected. shakes head We should bring our troops back home and focus on our country, to improve what we have been declining. But I do agree that we need to get Bin Ladan...he's the one that started the whole mess of 9/11...and we need to hunt him down. But where in the hell do we find him??? __________________ ~Kaelei~