Abortion - Page 5

**Angel** · 02-04-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

So therefore "abortion" and "spontaneous abortion" are not the same thing.

Spontaneous abortion

A miscarriage may also be called a "spontaneous abortion." This refers to naturally occurring events, not elective or therapeutic abortion procedures, which a woman may choose to have done.

Yeppers!

**Angel** · 02-04-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I think kill innoncent babies and children are the mainly WORST than remove under 12 weeks old fetus because babies, toddlers and small children have feeling and mind and can talk and see anything.

I think people keep forgetting how much value one human life can bring to this world.

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The baby’s heart starts beating 18-25 days after conception.
By the age of two months, the heart beats so strongly that a doctor actually can listen to it with a Doppler stethoscope.
At about this same time, brain activity can be recorded by use of an electroencephalogram. Brain waves are readily apparent.
By the age of two months, everything is “in place”—feet, hands, head, organs, etc. Upon close examination, fingerprints are evident. Although less than an inch long, the embryo has a head with eyes and ears, a simple digestive system, kidneys, liver, a heart that beats, a bloodstream of its own, and the beginning of a brain.
The unborn child hiccups, sucks his or her thumb, wakes, and sleeps.
The unborn child responds to touch, pain, cold, sound, and light. In fact, a study reported from Queen’s University revealed that, even in utero, human fetuses have the ability to recognize their mother’s voice (see “Fetal Heart…,” 2003). This study demonstrated that the fetus not only could recognize its mother’s voice, but also could distinguish it from other female voices. Using thirty fetuses in their experiment, university researchers played a two-minute audiotape of each fetus’ own mother reading a poem. The researchers then played a second, two-minute audiotape of another female voice reading a poem. The scientists discovered that the unborn babies responded to their own mother’s voice with heart-rate acceleration. When the stranger’s voice was played, the heart rates of the infants decelerated. This confirms what scientists have speculated for more than twenty years—that experiences in the womb help shape newborn preferences and behavior.

Apologetics Press - "Should a Fetus have Rights?”

**Reba** · 02-04-2008, 10:05 PM

Pictures and videos:

Ultrasound Pictures and Video – Tate Diagnostic

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2008, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Pictures and videos:

Ultrasound Pictures and Video – Tate Diagnostic

for post the pictures and videos. This pictures/videos you posted is from 12 weeks, not under 12 weeks what I stated in previous posts.

I am against to have abort from 12 weeks old fetus unless they have to abort to save mother's risk life.

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2008, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

I think people keep forgetting how much value one human life can bring to this world.

Apologetics Press - "Should a Fetus have Rights?”

Do you mean that abort under 12 weeks old fetus is worst than abuse/kill babies/toddlers/children?

The fetus and embryo are being created together with human sperm and egg. The human fetus and embryo are not full human development.

Womens Resource Medical Centers of Southern Nevada

**Cheri** · 02-05-2008, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I am against to have abort from 12 weeks old fetus unless they have to abort to save mother's risk life.

12 weeks and up or just 12 weeks only?

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2008, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio
Yes doctors do use the term "spontaneous abortion" to refer to miscarraige.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheri

So therefore "abortion" and "spontaneous abortion" are not the same thing.

Spontaneous abortion

A miscarriage may also be called a "spontaneous abortion." This refers to naturally occurring events, not elective or therapeutic abortion procedures, which a woman may choose to have done.

Yes, Jillos already stated in her previous post that spontaneous abortion is the same word as miscarriage which is a correct.

The wikipedia links, you provided in your previous posts is an opinion, not alway fact. I use MSN Dictonary because they are fact word... end a pregnancy by removing an embryo or fetus from the womb - The fact is abortion mean is fetus/embroyo removal, not killing fetus.

If you continue to use abortion as killing a fetus/embryo then is your opinion. If you use those word abortion as a fetus/embryo removal is a fact.

for link, you provided here to support my claim about "abortion" (fetus/embryo removal) and "spontaneous abortion" (miscarriage). The description of spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) is an exact same what my favorite interpreter had been through twice.

And stillbirth what my friend had been through when her 6 months old fetus dead in her womb is not miscarriage but "abortion". The doctor broke her water and got her to push her dead fetus out of her womb with drugs and then clean inside her.

I have a question for you... Which "abortion" or "spontaneous abortion" would you consider to if a mother have to let the doctor to remove her alive fetus to end her pregnancy to save her risk life?

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2008, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
I am against to have abort from 12 weeks old fetus unless they have to abort to save mother's risk life.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheri

12 weeks and up or just 12 weeks only?

Please re-read my post carefully...

I am against to abort from 12 weeks old to ......... which called partial-birth abortion unless they have to abort to save mother's risk life or stillbirth (dead fetus in mother's womb).

I support mother's choice for abort up to 12 weeks (under 12 weeks), not FROM 12 weeks which called abortion, not partial-birth abortion.

**Reba** · 02-05-2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

for post the pictures and videos. This pictures/videos you posted is from 12 weeks, not under 12 weeks what I stated in previous posts.

I am against to have abort from 12 weeks old fetus unless they have to abort to save mother's risk life.

My posting the pictures/videos was not in response to anyone's specific post or statement.

**Reba** · 02-05-2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

[FONT="Century Gothic"]... end a pregnancy by removing an embryo or fetus from the womb - The fact is abortion mean is fetus/embroyo removal, not killing fetus. If you continue to use abortion as killing a fetus/embryo then is your opinion. If you use those word abortion as a fetus/embryo removal is a fact.

How is the fetus removed without killing it? Do they take a living fetus out and then kill it? Or do they kill the fetus first, and then remove the dead body parts?

**Angel** · 02-05-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Do you mean that abort under 12 weeks old fetus is worst than abuse/kill babies/toddlers/children?

Excuse me? those are two separate issues, I'm sorry but I'm not going to compare a unborn fetus that is trapped inside a mother's womb to a child that is living outside a mother's womb and you are also missing the point of what I'm trying to say here, a fetus that will never get to grow, feel, love and all of the other things when it is aborted. I've also learned something from those I've known that had a past experiences of abortion, and none of them were positive experiences either. I'm still standing on how I feel about abortion and killing any human being is murder in my own eyes.

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

Excuse me? those are two separate issues, I'm sorry but I'm not going to compare a unborn fetus that is trapped inside a mother's womb to a child that is living outside a mother's womb and you are also missing the point of what I'm trying to say here, a fetus that will never get to grow, feel, love and all of the other things when it is aborted. I've also learned something from those I've known that had a past experiences of abortion, and none of them were positive experiences either. I'm still standing on how I feel about abortion and killing any human being is murder in my own eyes.

You quoted my same post what I thought about babies/toddlers/children.
Abortion

That's why I questioned you about.

I personally would not abort it but I respect women's choice.

**Angel** · 02-05-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I am against to have abort from 12 weeks old fetus....

And what makes you think that most unwanted mothers aborted their fetus before 12 weeks?

jillio · 02-05-2008, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheri

So therefore "abortion" and "spontaneous abortion" are not the same thing.

Spontaneous abortion

A miscarriage may also be called a "spontaneous abortion." This refers to naturally occurring events, not elective or therapeutic abortion procedures, which a woman may choose to have done.

No, they are not the same thing, given that one is induced, and one is spontaeous. But they are the same thing in that the result is that the pregnancy is not carried to term.

jillio · 02-05-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

How is the fetus removed without killing it? Do they take a living fetus out and then kill it? Or do they kill the fetus first, and then remove the dead body parts?

A fetus is not capable of independent life.

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

And what makes you think that most unwanted mothers aborted their fetus before 12 weeks?

Early abortion is better than late abortion.

I would consider it as partial-birth abortion if they decides to abort after 12 weeks.

Why should they wait until after 12 weeks then abort for when they know in first place that they did not feel ready to become mothers then?

**Angel** · 02-05-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Why should they wait until after 12 weeks then abort for when they know in first place that they did not feel ready to become mothers then?

Good question

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jillio · 02-05-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel

And what makes you think that most unwanted mothers aborted their fetus before 12 weeks?

Because unless the mother's life is at stake, it is illegal to do so after 12 weeks. An abortion for personal reasons can only be requested and performed up to 12 weeks.

GarnetTigerMom · 02-05-2008, 09:29 PM

A woman can't have abortion before 3 months. Just not after. But if the mother's health is at risks for some reasons, then the doctor would have to perform sugery to remove the fetus. But if a woman decided she want to have an abortion, it up to her and that her business. Face it, You can't tell a woman what to do with her body. She got a right do what she think is best for herself.

Babyblue · 02-05-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

How is the fetus removed without killing it? Do they take a living fetus out and then kill it? Or do they kill the fetus first, and then remove the dead body parts?

Ok this post/links may be hard for some people to read so I'm giving a warning......

How Are Abortions Done? - Heritage House Literature.

Please do not veiw this link if you can not with stand seeing abortion pictures. Althought.... I am pro-choice.... seeing these pictures are very disturbing....I only believe in abortions Under specific reasons....Not as a Birth control method....

Abortion

Reba...hate to say it but they can even abort in the Third Trimester.

Types of abortion, pictures of fetus & facts on abortion procedures

It is such a hard thing to decide.. but if a mother that is in risk of dying...and already have children that are "in the world, living, breathing, risk her life for one that is unborn..the one that is in limbo.

I know if I became pregnant and my life was in danger due to the pregnancy.. I would abort... due to I have to live for my children thats already "in the world"

jillio · 02-05-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

A woman can't have abortion before 3 months. Just not after. But if the mother's health is at risks for some reasons, then the doctor would have to perform sugery to remove the fetus. But if a woman decided she want to have an abortion, it up to her and that her business. Face it, You can't tell a woman what to do with her body. She got a right do what she think is best for herself.

And, if the mother's life is at risk, the abortion can only be performed up to 5.5 months.

jillio · 02-05-2008, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babyblue

Ok this post/links may be hard for some people to read so I'm giving a warning......

How Are Abortions Done? - Heritage House Literature.

Please do not veiw this link if you can not with stand seeing abortion pictures. Althought.... I am pro-choice.... seeing these pictures are very disturbing....I only believe in abortions Under specific reasons....Not as a Birth control method....

Abortion

Reba...hate to say it but they can even abort in the Third Trimester.

Types of abortion, pictures of fetus & facts on abortion procedures

It is such a hard thing to decide.. but if a mother that is in risk of dying...and already have children that are "in the world, living, breathing, risk her life for one that is unborn..the one that is in limbo.

I know if I became pregnant and my life was in danger due to the pregnancy.. I would abort... due to I have to live for my children thats already "in the world"

Third trimester is not an abortion. It is induced labor.

jillio · 02-05-2008, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babyblue

Ok this post/links may be hard for some people to read so I'm giving a warning......

How Are Abortions Done? - Heritage House Literature.

Please do not veiw this link if you can not with stand seeing abortion pictures. Althought.... I am pro-choice.... seeing these pictures are very disturbing....I only believe in abortions Under specific reasons....Not as a Birth control method....

Abortion

Reba...hate to say it but they can even abort in the Third Trimester.

Types of abortion, pictures of fetus & facts on abortion procedures

It is such a hard thing to decide.. but if a mother that is in risk of dying...and already have children that are "in the world, living, breathing, risk her life for one that is unborn..the one that is in limbo.

I know if I became pregnant and my life was in danger due to the pregnancy.. I would abort... due to I have to live for my children thats already "in the world"

We seem to be ignoring the fact that Roe v Wade did not have an impact upon the medically necessary abortions being performed. Doctors have always had that discretion, and women have had that choice. We are taling about abortion by the choice of the woman, medically unnecessary, but by choice of whether to give birth or not. That is the right that Roe v Wade bestowed on women. Reversal of that ruling will not stop medically necessary abortions from being performed under a doctor's care and advise. Nor will it stop abortion on demand. Those women will simply resort to illegal abortionists, just as they did prior to Roe v Wade.

Babyblue · 02-05-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Third trimester is not an abortion. It is induced labor.

again I advised posters on this link..

More Information about Abortion

It is legal up to nine months....

I understand the Roe v/s Wade....

These pictures were not medically necessary abortions...

so please stop contradicting what I'm posting.

I know you mean well ....but get my point first...

Babyblue · 02-05-2008, 10:51 PM

More Information about Abortion

This method is very disturbing to me....

even as a pro-choice

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2008, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babyblue

Ok this post/links may be hard for some people to read so I'm giving a warning......

How Are Abortions Done? - Heritage House Literature.

Please do not veiw this link if you can not with stand seeing abortion pictures. Althought.... I am pro-choice.... seeing these pictures are very disturbing....I only believe in abortions Under specific reasons....Not as a Birth control method....

Abortion

Reba...hate to say it but they can even abort in the Third Trimester.

Types of abortion, pictures of fetus & facts on abortion procedures

It is such a hard thing to decide.. but if a mother that is in risk of dying...and already have children that are "in the world, living, breathing, risk her life for one that is unborn..the one that is in limbo.

I know if I became pregnant and my life was in danger due to the pregnancy.. I would abort... due to I have to live for my children thats already "in the world"

Remember, abortion and partial-birth abortion are not the same thing.

I can see from the pictures that it´s partial-birth abortion. I can´t beleive that they throw fetus to trash bin after finish with partial-birth abortion because they are supposed to bury fetus or sent fetus to sciencie or what. I am against mothers´ decision after 12 weeks because fetus´s development is almost into human.

Before 12 weeks is understandable - In my opinion, fetus should remove soon as mothers found out that they expect unwanted baby instead of wait until end of 12 weeks or after 12 weeks. IMO.

Why after 12 weeks for? It´s understandable if fetus is dead in mother´s womb or risk mother´s health.

Interesting to read about Third Trimester to remove fetus. I remember from my health book that they remove fetus with a long spoon. I will scan from my health book to show you all tonight when I find a picture.

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Because unless the mother's life is at stake, it is illegal to do so after 12 weeks. An abortion for personal reasons can only be requested and performed up to 12 weeks.

Correct

Here in Germany abortion up to 12 weeks accord mother´s personal choice (depend to different reasons what healthcare insurance can cover the cost or not due doctor´s writing) is legal.

After 12 weeks due health reason or dead fetus in mother´s womb is legal - healthcare insurance cover fully.

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

More Information about Abortion

This method is very disturbing to me....

even as a pro-choice

Again, this is partial-birth abortion, not abortion.

Remember, partial-birth abortion and abortion are not the same thing.

Babyblue · 02-05-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Again, this is partial-birth abortion, not abortion.

Remember, partial-birth abortion and abortion are not the same thing.

partial-birth abortion: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

Whats the difference?

Partial or not.. it is still an abortion...

as it may seem...

**Angel** · 02-06-2008, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

partial-birth abortion: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

Whats the difference?

Partial or not.. it is still an abortion...

as it may seem...

Exactly,

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