Abortion - Page 4

GarnetTigerMom · 02-03-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

I agree with you there. It takes two parents to raise a child but the way the society has been lately......

Well, right now there are so many singles mothers raising kids then the father. The mother takes on lot more responbilities then the father. Not too many marriage couple stays together anymore.

Foxrac · 02-03-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Well, right now there are so many singles mothers raising kids then the father. The mother takes on lot more responbilities then the father. Not too many marriage couple stays together anymore.

Yup, that right and fathers would make to pay child support too.

I don't understand about too many young people who want marriage so earlier, raise the child then end up to divorce, I think that they should wait andkeep think alot about start marriage and want have child.

I wish that should adopt new law for minimum age to can be married, that would learn about responsible with marriage stuff.

GarnetTigerMom · 02-03-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Yup, that right and fathers would make to pay child support too.

I don't understand about too many young people who want marriage so earlier, raise the child then end up to divorce, I think that they should wait andkeep think alot about start marriage and want have child.

I wish that should adopt new law for minimum age to can be married, that would learn about responsible with marriage stuff.

Yep I have read so many stories and hear stories that so many couple get married too soon or too fast then end up in a bitter divorce battles. I think a couple should wait long time before committing to marriage which is a big step for couple. The longer couple continue date like a year or two years or three years before getting marriage. The longer they wait the better the commications and the trust builds up. Get married so fast and too soon then that where the problems raising up.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mann_K05

Amen!!

I got a story from some girls I know.

She was very excited to have a baby, four months later, her belly had stopped the growing but she did not realize until about 6 months at pregnancy. She suspected something was wrong with her baby. She could feel minor pain, sick easily, and to feel a bit of burn in her stomach.. so she went for her doctor appointment. She found out that her baby was already died at four months old of pragnancy but her uetus (sp) did not release the dead baby. She have to abort her child, sadly, she was very heartbroken.. So she have an abortion.. I dont know how it happen to her baby because i dont remmy.

Gee, I felt so bad for her.

First of all, I'm very sorry to hear about your friend. It was happeend the same to my friend, too.

GN confirmed her via pregnancy check that she should sent to hospitail for double check and confirmed that her 6 months old fetus's heart stopped beat. The doctor suggest her what should she do with her 6 months old fetus - funeral arrangement? or send fetus to science? She decided with heart broken for funeral arrangement. She was forced to push dead fetus out of her womb with drugs because the doctor can't remove 6 months old fetus under her womb. What they did to her is not miscarriage but force abortion which mean is remove fetus.

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See, it's personal choice for some good reasons...

Exactly! That's why I support women's choice.

I read magazine last week that GN found out that Rumain has a Bladder cancer while she was pregnant. GN urged her to abort to save her risk life because she need to have chemo therapy to save her life but she decide to not do that to her fetus and accept her risk. She thought she would battle to beat cancer after birth of her daughter. Therefore, it's too late. She died when her baby was few weeks old and leave her baby to her husband and 2 children. It's very sad that she decided for save her fetus over her own life which mean is she is a true pro-lifer. To me, I rather to save my life for my family's sake. Each woman is different that's why I respect women's choice either they want to save fetus over their risk life or save her risk life over fetus.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Respecting the mother's choice means that even though you do not agree with abortion, you are not so arrogant as to believe that you can impose your values on anyone else. That is a good thing.

*A*M*E*N*

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

She didn't abort a living baby. The baby was already dead. Removing the body of a dead baby is NOT the same as killing the baby and then removing it. She didn't kill her baby; the baby had already died.

Do you notice that it was a baby and child that died, not a clump of cells.

Remove a fetus is an abortion, no matter either fetus is alive or not.

Miscarriage is lose fetus itself. fetus can't stay in mother's womb but go out of mother's womb itself.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

There are Pros and Cons of abortions.... long time ago my best friend got pregnant... was thinking about having abortion... I talked her out of it.... then she had a baby....

Three yrs later.. i saw her abusing her daughter.... I regretted that i talked her out of abortion...

*nodding* I know how you feeling.

I did the same thing to my 19 years old sister to not abort. Guess what she was a terrible mother to her 3 children. Her children doesn't deserve to suffer like that... I regretted to urge her to not abort. Look at poor children... They doesn't deserve it...

I guess my sister's life would be different if she aborted her first child to positive her life and think her future etc. Guess what she passed away at almost 2 years ago age 41 of drug overdose. What a waste...

Those situation wake me up and support women's choice.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mann_K05

I dont know why you claim it when I had seen some premature babies several times, they were human being..

Do you mean 4 month fetus? I never heard that 4 months old fetus survived after abortion?

I guess that you mean early birth like 7 or 8 months? Right? If yes, yes, that's right.

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It's obviously not kill her son but she had to abort for her own health safe..

Exactly

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It's not your fault. She should get help for the abuse or give her daughter to someone who can take care of her.

Yes, that's right but sad fact that children doesn't deserve to have abusive parents like that.

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No one can see the future.

but mother. It's her who know either she is fit mother or not and either she can achieve to keep a child or not, not us.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

FYI, those are miscarriage...

No, abortion because the doctor removed her fetus, no matter either fetus is dead or alive.

Miscarriage = fetus can't stay in mother's womb but goes out of mother's womb itself with a lot of bleed. Some doctors tried to save fetus's life. I remember an exactly about my favorite interpreter. She almost lost her baby due a lot of blood. Her husband alarmed emergency. Doctor saved her fetus's life... *phew*... All what she do is operate to shut inside of her virginal to prevent from let fetus go out... She lied on the bed for long months but she only get up for go to bathroom... She was pregnant again for twice... same situtation...

I agreed with GarnetTigerMom that abortion and miscarriage is not same thing. She correct about miscarriage situation in her post #35.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Read Mann's story please. The baby died DURING THE PREGNANCY. That is miscarriage.

Yes, we know and can read Mann's post that the fetus died in mother's womb and dead fetus was being removed from mother's womb by the doctor is an abortion. No matter either fetus is dead or alive.

Miscarriage - without doctor's medical help... just lose itself without doctor's help... like what I told you in my previous post about my favorite interpreter. Lucky, they save from miscarriage.

Cheri · 02-04-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Remove a fetus is an abortion, no matter either fetus is alive or not.

No it is not, I have to agree with Reba.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

I agree with Reba all the way on abortion issue. In my opinion unborn child really is a human being, because life is form inside the mother's womb, You feed the unborn, and the unborn grows, it's the same as you feeding a baby after birth, no differences, unborn babies grow as the same way as a baby that is born no differences. The unborn is attach inside the mother's womb, it's the same way the baby that is born would be attach to the mother, once again no differences. The bottom line is that killing of innocent children known as abortion is the most horrible holocaust our nation has ever experienced.

I think kill innoncent babies and children are the mainly WORST than remove under 12 weeks old fetus because babies, toddlers and small children have feeling and mind and can talk and see anything.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

No it is not, I have to agree with Reba.

No, I know from my own real life experience from withness some friends like I shared my story about my friend and favorite interpreter in my previous post.

Cheri · 02-04-2008, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I think kill innoncent babies and children are the mainly WORST than remove under 12 weeks old fetus because babies, toddlers and small children have feeling and mind and can talk and see anything.

It's the same no differences. It shows you have no remorse for unborn babies?

jillio · 02-04-2008, 07:45 AM

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Yes, we know and can read Mann's post that the fetus died in mother's womb and dead fetus was being removed from mother's womb by the doctor is an abortion. No matter either fetus is dead or alive.

Miscarriage - without doctor's medical help... just lose itself without doctor's help... like what I told you in my previous post about my favorite interpreter. Lucky, they save from miscarriage.

You are correct. When the doctor removes a fetus, dead or alive, the medical term is "abortion". If a fetus is lost through miscarraige, it is called "spontaneous abortion". Abortion is a term that means the pregnancy has ended prior to a live birth, and before the point of viability. After a fetus has reached the stage where it could survive on its own, but dies prior to birth, it is called "still birth".

Cheri · 02-04-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

You are correct. When the doctor removes a fetus, dead or alive, the medical term is "abortion". If a fetus is lost through miscarraige, it is called "spontaneous abortion". Abortion is a term that means the pregnancy has ended prior to a live birth, and before the point of viability. After a fetus has reached the stage where it could survive on its own, but dies prior to birth, it is called "still birth".

How is that the same? the fetus is dead, all they have to do is remove the fetus not killed it just like they do when the fetus is alive.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

How is that the same? the fetus is dead, all they have to do is remove the fetus not killed it just like they do when the fetus is alive.

abortion definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta

Definition:

1. operation to end pregnancy: an operation or other intervention to end a pregnancy by removing an embryo or fetus from the womb

2. medicine ( technical )
Same as miscarriage (sense 1)

3. offensive term: an offensive term for something so badly done or made that it is a complete failure

4. aerospace cancellation of mission: the ending of a flight or mission before it is completed

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

You are correct. When the doctor removes a fetus, dead or alive, the medical term is "abortion". If a fetus is lost through miscarraige, it is called "spontaneous abortion". Abortion is a term that means the pregnancy has ended prior to a live birth, and before the point of viability. After a fetus has reached the stage where it could survive on its own, but dies prior to birth, it is called "still birth".

Exactly

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

It's the same no differences. It shows you have no remorse for unborn babies?

no difference?

How ? under 12 weeks fetus do not have soul and mind and feeling as human babies, toddlers and children...

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I dont agree with abortion but at the same time, I know I cant tell others what to do with their bodies. I am also realistic..if we make abortion illegal again, we all know that women will find a way to get abortions. No point in making it illegal.

Right... it was happened to Germany before... It's good to know that they loose abortion law that we are allow to abort fetus up to 12 weeks, not over 12 weeks... Over 12 weeks for good reasons like save mother's risk life etc.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

It not just the sex, women abort because of rape or health problems if the woman is cripple or have spinel injury, or if she using drugs or drinking or not ready to be a mother that understandable. I am sure lot of women have their own personal reasons to have abortions so really it their business what they do with their bodies. I can't judge them for what they do. I have known lot of women abort, so all I can do is be a supportive friend and be there for them. I can't judge them or talk them out of it. Once a person make up her mind I can't stop her. So, I am sure lot of women have regrets and some don't have any regret. It a choice they have to live with it.

Yes I am with you. All what I do is respect women's choice, not judge them.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714
I agree with you. Yet at the same time, there has been situations where the rapist has found out that the woman he has raped is pregnant and wants to be involved.....

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Originally Posted by Cheri

You're gonna be kidding me, Why would a woman who's been raped would allow her rapist be involved in the decision or the child's life?

Women would feel so uncomfortable if their rapist were involved in the child's life. I know for matter of fact many women who has been raped, still look over their shoulder with every step and fear being vulnerable to another monster.

I would suggest you to rent DVD to watch movie ""The Price She Paid". Check those story, I posted at other thread.
http://www.alldeaf.com/901286-post161.html

The story is a fiction but the sad fact is many former rapists filed their visitation rights to see their children in different states that's why many mothers fighting to against their visitation rights. The reason, the movie "The Price She Paid", they made is protect mothers and children and hope the court will see it and deny former Rapist's visitation rights.

I would recommend you all to rent that movie "The Price She Paid". It's really scary movie.

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