Removal of Ten Commandments?

***VamPyroX*** · 08-22-2003, 09:14 AM

There is a statue of the ten commandments in the judicial building in Alabama.

Quote:

Chief justice not backing down in Ten Commandments case

Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore is greeted by supporters Thursday in front of the state's Judicial Building.

MONTGOMERY, Alabama (CNN) -- Alabama's chief justice, bucking his fellow state Supreme Court justices and a federal judge, will turn again to the nation's highest court in his fight to keep a monument to the Ten Commandments in the state judicial building.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/22/te...nts/index.html

I would like to hear your opinions on that. Should they leave it or remove it? Why?

ChelEler · 08-22-2003, 09:33 AM

Hmm.. I'm not aware of it... can you provide me a link to it so I can read about it?

LUNZ · 08-22-2003, 10:51 AM

unbelieveable. Something going on with federal judge people and it's too promo. They must be satan. lol.

MsGiglz · 08-22-2003, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LUNZ

unbelieveable. Something going on with federal judge people and it's too promo. They must be satan. lol.

Oh holy Father! bless us.. and sway the satan..
Keep the Ten of Commandments!

Bush_in_2004! · 08-22-2003, 02:24 PM

of course they have to remove it. its the law!

the idiotic judge should know better than that, He's a JUDGE making a mockery of the law!

Further, he's being paid by the TAXPAYERS. who wants a lawless thug on the payroll? Dale, you?

LUNZ · 08-22-2003, 02:37 PM

it should sent to ebay for selling that crap! lol.

Bush_in_2004! · 08-24-2003, 01:07 AM

Looks like the nutso Alabama judge got tossed off the bench (suspended) by his peers. At least there are SOME rational people in Alabama. Congrats.

Boult · 08-25-2003, 10:20 PM

If you all voted YES to removal of Ten Commandment then may I direct you to the url where you can sign the petition to have "Under God" removed.. it is at:

http://www.e-thepeople.org/a-508/p/8045/

Cheers!

Bush_in_2004! · 08-26-2003, 12:50 AM

Done!

Its your turn people! Put God back in Church where She belongs!

Liza · 08-26-2003, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bush_in_2004!

Done!

Its your turn people! Put God back in Church where She belongs!

"She....." hehehe,

next.

I'm against the nuclear-witch-hunt era starting all over again in my sweet country. Times are a-changin' with all respect and liberty for all individuals. It starts with us. You. Now what?

***VamPyroX*** · 08-26-2003, 10:01 AM

I'm not for or against religion, but I think that this religious thing is going too far. Nothing can stop us from following our own religion. If they remove the ten commandments, we can still read the Bible to see the ten commandments. Leaving the ten commandments there is like advertising for Jehovah's Witnesses!

Fly Free · 08-26-2003, 02:56 PM

i voted "dunno" -- granted YES separation of Church and State should be followed as its already on the law books -- and YES the statue should stay there to remind the ppl of the 10 commandments and the morals to it -- so its like a 50/50 thing

why not instead of having it at the judicial bldg -- relocate it to some other prime spot that has nothing in regards to state politics -- ie: at a park, at the center of town square -- it might help reduce the friction politically and actually separate church and state

just a thought i had

Bush_in_2004! · 08-26-2003, 03:15 PM

here's another thing to think about . . . one of the commandments requires church attendence. so if this nutsie defrocked Alabama judge insists that the ten commandments must be part of the justice dept, is he gonna send folks who don't go to church to the gallows?

LinuxGold · 08-26-2003, 10:06 PM

I am against the removal of ten commandments. Because our forefathers of the United States used what is called "Dvinity Law" that kept the morality of United States as sound as possible for so long up until recent years that changed into "Modernized morality." When "Divinity Law" was removed, there was a suddent raise in crime activities. In my humble opinion (IMHO) ten commandment should stay, that way the morality of the United States will last longer than any nation in the world.

kalboy · 08-26-2003, 11:01 PM

i agree with linuxgold. The Ten Commandments is a significant doctrine in which core morality are based on. It serves not only as the principle of the laws of the land but is also historical significant in the founding of the nation. Taking away the stone is an act of disrespect of the fathers of our nation. it should stay where it is.

Bush_in_2004! · 08-27-2003, 12:02 AM

Huh? you mean to tell me that the ONLY reason morality exists in humans is because of THE FEAR OF GOD!!??

The bottom line, if you don't like the law, get the law changed FIRST!

Otherwise, if you break the law, you're an outlaw!

btw, I want to put a satanic temple next to the ten C's. is this gonna be a problem with you guys?

LinuxGold · 08-27-2003, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bush_in_2004!

Huh? you mean to tell me that the ONLY reason morality exists in humans is because of THE FEAR OF GOD!!??

The bottom line, if you don't like the law, get the law changed FIRST!

Otherwise, if you break the law, you're an outlaw!

btw, I want to put a satanic temple next to the ten C's. is this gonna be a problem with you guys?

Implement and analylze the effectiveness of your proposed law. I would stick to "If it is not broken, then don't fix it." We're broken, not the law, our desire to corrupt should be repaired first before the law is considered.

Bush_in_2004! · 08-28-2003, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LinuxGold

Implement and analylze the effectiveness of your proposed law. I would stick to "If it is not broken, then don't fix it." We're broken, not the law, our desire to corrupt should be repaired first before the law is considered.

Huh? I'm not proposing any law. The law already exists. This is why the judge got the boot!

lg also sez: " our desire to corrupt should be repaired first"

How? by forcing fear down our throats a la saddam style? There are civilized ways. The "fear of God" is not one of them.

Liza · 08-28-2003, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bush_in_2004!

Huh? I'm not proposing any law. The law already exists. This is why the judge got the boot!

lg also sez: " our desire to corrupt should be repaired first"

How? by forcing fear down our throats a la saddam style? There are civilized ways. The "fear of God" is not one of them.

Agreed, Bush - IMO fear has always been an efficient tool used to control the mass in the past.

Bush_in_2004! · 08-28-2003, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Liza

Agreed, Bush - IMO fear has always been an efficient tool used to control the mass in the past.

Amen!

(

, ahem, I meant, RIGHT ON!)

**Lasza** · 08-28-2003, 08:12 PM

If they remove Ten Commandments successfully, what's next?

Remove "In God We Trust" from every coin in USA!

Bush_in_2004! · 08-28-2003, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lasza

If they remove Ten Commandments successfully, what's next?

Remove "In God We Trust" from every coin in USA!

If enough people get fired up about it, it could happen and they'll have a strong case.

btw, the 10 commandments rock was wheeled out of the courthouse yesterday and put in a closed-to-the-public windowless room. Feel free to join Dale in mourning its demise.

***VamPyroX*** · 08-29-2003, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bush_in_2004!

If enough people get fired up about it, it could happen and they'll have a strong case.

btw, the 10 commandments rock was wheeled out of the courthouse yesterday and put in a closed-to-the-public windowless room. Feel free to join Dale in mourning its demise.

Yep, that could be next. The same goes with the dollar bills as well.

08-29-2003, 11:29 AM

I think it is pretty egoistic of us to think that we have to keep the Ten Commandments in our government buildings because it is something to do with our moral standards. It comes from our religious beliefs, and it is obvious not everyone share the same religious beliefs. There are so many religious groups in America, so the Ten Commandments applies only to the Christian religion. What about the other religions? I think by voting no to get rid of them is such an arrogant move, because it is like saying that you dont validate nor recognise the other religious groups in America. Keep God and the government separate.

LinuxGold · 08-29-2003, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kuifje75

I think it is pretty egoistic of us to think that we have to keep the Ten Commandments in our government buildings because it is something to do with our moral standards. It comes from our religious beliefs, and it is obvious not everyone share the same religious beliefs. There are so many religious groups in America, so the Ten Commandments applies only to the Christian religion. What about the other religions? I think by voting no to get rid of them is such an arrogant move, because it is like saying that you dont validate nor recognise the other religious groups in America. Keep God and the government separate.

We are like a solider in morality sense. We are fighting the bloody war, in spirituality and morality sense, to either corrupt or to protect the morality as it is today. Our fierce belief plus the demoracy nation that we are in, it will be an eternal battle. Saying people to respect others is like saying them to down their arms.

peacetrain · 08-29-2003, 07:26 PM

The men (yes, only men) who drafted the original Constitution and set up the original government were very cautious about the need for separation of Church and State. They knew what could happen if this separation was not strictly adhered to. We are founded on the principles that all people are equal, all people, allllllll people! That includes Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, agnostics, Quakers, Catholics, Baptists, etc, etc, etc.... Having a statue which is strictly based on Christianity in a public place, no less a court of law, goes against these very principles. We are all entitled to worship/or not, as we please, but we do not have the right to impose our beliefs on any other individual. Our Civil Rights are essential to a healthy country where all people are respected. Someone brought up the In God We Trust. Yes, that could become an issue, although to me it isn't as offensive because it doesn't imply a Christian God. But just based on the principle alone, it probably shouldn't be there. Sorry, I believe in a Higher Power, but I also stand by our Freedoms and definitely Separation of Church and State.

Bush_in_2004! · 08-29-2003, 08:10 PM

I, for one, am glad to see there are rational thinking people on this board.

LinuxGold · 08-29-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bush_in_2004!

I, for one, am glad to see there are rational thinking people on this board.

I heartily agree with you there!

CatoCooper13 · 08-29-2003, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VamPyroX

There is a statue of the ten commandments in the judicial building in Alabama.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/22/te...nts/index.html

I would like to hear your opinions on that. Should they leave it or remove it? Why?

I dunno...I'm not for or against religion either...can't really have a say on this.
Just about everything is too politically-correct...too much of it. I just don't understand why people make a big deal out of this and other trivial things?

Bush_in_2004! · 08-30-2003, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WaterRats13

I dunno...I'm not for or against religion either...can't really have a say on this.
Just about everything is too politically-correct...too much of it. I just don't understand why people make a big deal out of this and other trivial things?

its not trivia. judges are supposed to enforce the law, not disobey the law.

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Fly Free Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Roosted in the DC area! Posts: 9,101	i voted "dunno" -- granted YES separation of Church and State should be followed as its already on the law books -- and YES the statue should stay there to remind the ppl of the 10 commandments and the morals to it -- so its like a 50/50 thing why not instead of having it at the judicial bldg -- relocate it to some other prime spot that has nothing in regards to state politics -- ie: at a park, at the center of town square -- it might help reduce the friction politically and actually separate church and state just a thought i had __________________ Enjoying life!

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Bush_in_2004! Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 324	Huh? you mean to tell me that the ONLY reason morality exists in humans is because of THE FEAR OF GOD!!?? The bottom line, if you don't like the law, get the law changed FIRST! Otherwise, if you break the law, you're an outlaw! btw, I want to put a satanic temple next to the ten C's. is this gonna be a problem with you guys? Last edited by Bush_in_2004!; 08-27-2003 at 12:04 AM.

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08-22-2003, 10:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
LUNZ Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 874	unbelieveable. Something going on with federal judge people and it's too promo. They must be satan. lol.

08-22-2003, 02:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bush_in_2004! Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 324	of course they have to remove it. its the law! the idiotic judge should know better than that, He's a JUDGE making a mockery of the law! Further, he's being paid by the TAXPAYERS. who wants a lawless thug on the payroll? Dale, you?

08-22-2003, 02:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
LUNZ Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 874	it should sent to ebay for selling that crap! lol.

08-24-2003, 01:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
Bush_in_2004! Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 324	Looks like the nutso Alabama judge got tossed off the bench (suspended) by his peers. At least there are SOME rational people in Alabama. Congrats.

08-26-2003, 12:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bush_in_2004! Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 324	Done! Its your turn people! Put God back in Church where She belongs!

08-26-2003, 03:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
Bush_in_2004! Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 324	here's another thing to think about . . . one of the commandments requires church attendence. so if this nutsie defrocked Alabama judge insists that the ten commandments must be part of the justice dept, is he gonna send folks who don't go to church to the gallows?

08-26-2003, 10:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
LinuxGold Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Elkton, MD Posts: 2,463	I am against the removal of ten commandments. Because our forefathers of the United States used what is called "Dvinity Law" that kept the morality of United States as sound as possible for so long up until recent years that changed into "Modernized morality." When "Divinity Law" was removed, there was a suddent raise in crime activities. In my humble opinion (IMHO) ten commandment should stay, that way the morality of the United States will last longer than any nation in the world.

08-26-2003, 11:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
kalboy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 248	i agree with linuxgold. The Ten Commandments is a significant doctrine in which core morality are based on. It serves not only as the principle of the laws of the land but is also historical significant in the founding of the nation. Taking away the stone is an act of disrespect of the fathers of our nation. it should stay where it is.

08-28-2003, 08:12 PM	#21 (permalink)
Lasza Premium Lurker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mile High State Posts: 2,509	If they remove Ten Commandments successfully, what's next? Remove "In God We Trust" from every coin in USA!

08-29-2003, 11:29 AM	#24 (permalink)
kuifje75 Guest Posts: n/a	I think it is pretty egoistic of us to think that we have to keep the Ten Commandments in our government buildings because it is something to do with our moral standards. It comes from our religious beliefs, and it is obvious not everyone share the same religious beliefs. There are so many religious groups in America, so the Ten Commandments applies only to the Christian religion. What about the other religions? I think by voting no to get rid of them is such an arrogant move, because it is like saying that you dont validate nor recognise the other religious groups in America. Keep God and the government separate.

08-29-2003, 07:26 PM	#26 (permalink)
peacetrain Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 50	The men (yes, only men) who drafted the original Constitution and set up the original government were very cautious about the need for separation of Church and State. They knew what could happen if this separation was not strictly adhered to. We are founded on the principles that all people are equal, all people, allllllll people! That includes Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, agnostics, Quakers, Catholics, Baptists, etc, etc, etc.... Having a statue which is strictly based on Christianity in a public place, no less a court of law, goes against these very principles. We are all entitled to worship/or not, as we please, but we do not have the right to impose our beliefs on any other individual. Our Civil Rights are essential to a healthy country where all people are respected. Someone brought up the In God We Trust. Yes, that could become an issue, although to me it isn't as offensive because it doesn't imply a Christian God. But just based on the principle alone, it probably shouldn't be there. Sorry, I believe in a Higher Power, but I also stand by our Freedoms and definitely Separation of Church and State.

08-29-2003, 08:10 PM	#27 (permalink)
Bush_in_2004! Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 324	I, for one, am glad to see there are rational thinking people on this board.

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