Originally Posted by Reba

So if he doesn't get the Republican nod, what will he do? Will he support the Republican candidate? Will he try to get on the VP ticket? Will he give his campaign funds to . . . ?

Originally Posted by Eve

This is what I had done in the past (when I lived in Texas and was able). My parents still follow this practice. We figure we can deal with whatever Republican candidate is chosen, but there are some Democratic nominees we would rather not have to.

As for this year, since I am a registered Republican, I haven't quite decided between Thompson and Huckabee. I have noticed a LOT of support for Ron Paul here in Idaho, and I can appreciate the grassroots effort I see going on, but I'm still not convinced based on his positions.

Originally Posted by Yiffzer

prove it.

Originally Posted by Yiffzer

i'd like to see what points you're not convinced of.

Originally Posted by Eve

see my previous post with quotes

Basically the same issues Reba has already addressed.

Originally Posted by Pacman

Ron Paul is just full of BS, I won't vote him, though.

Originally Posted by Yiffzer

that's a typical argument against ron paul. ron paul doesn't necessarily agree with their beliefs but they all agree on a common ground and that's liberty, personal freedom, and rights. just because a white supremacist group supports ron paul doesn't necessarily make ron paul a bad person.

Originally Posted by Yiffzer

i could be the greatest person alive and hitler endorsed me. would that say much about my character? hardly. he takes donations from everyone of different beliefs which is perfectly okay. to argue otherwise would be stupid.

Originally Posted by Kaitin

No problem to me if any group supports Ron Paul, but I have a problem if Ron Paul accepts money from someone he knows is a white supremecist (no problem if he doesn't know).

It says much about your character if you know the person is white supremecist and you accept the money IMO. Hitler endorsing you is Hitler's decision but your decision is accepting the money you know from Hitler. Accepting the money is Ron Paul's decision. Not just "different beliefs" but really hating beliefs abotut non-whies. Ok if someone disagrees about education or many other topics but not white supremecy for me.

Originally Posted by Ron Paul Interview

CAVUTO: There are reports, sir, that your campaign has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist in West Palm Beach. And your campaign had indicated you have no intention to return it. What are you going to do with that?

PAUL: It is probably already spent. Why give it back to him and use it for bad purposes?

You know, I don't even know his name. I never heard of it. You know, when you get 57,000 donations a day, are we supposed to screen them and find out their beliefs? He sent the money for my beliefs. And if he is promoting my viewpoints and my attitudes, why give it back to him if he has bad viewpoints?

And I don't endorse anything that he endorses or what anybody endorses. They come to me to endorse freedom and the Constitution and limited government. So, I see no purpose for me to start screening everybody that sends me money. I mean, it is impossible to do it. It is a ridiculous idea that I am supposed to screen these people.

CAVUTO: All right.

So, Congressman, when you find out that it's this Don Black who made the donation, and who ran a site called "Stormfront, White Pride Worldwide," now that you know it, now that you're familiar after the fact, you still would not return it?

PAUL: Well, if I spent his money and I took the money that maybe you might have sent to me and donate it back to him, that does not make any sense to me. Why should I give him money to promote his cause? That doesn't make any sense to me.

CAVUTO: So, what do you think, Congressman, of the candidates who do this? Either they say, ah, we got money from a group now we're aware was - - was kind of sticky; we don't want to give it — Hillary Clinton has had to do this, a number of other candidates have had to do this. Do you think that just is a bad practice?

PAUL: I think it is pandering. I think it is playing the political correctness, so that they — when you quiz them, and then they can say, oh, Neil, yes, I did exactly what you are suggesting I should do, and brag about how pure they are.

You know. I think that is a bit of pandering. There's no way that I'm not going to institute a policy of looking at 100 — 200,000 of these donations and find out. What about the people who get donations, want to get special interests from the military industrial complex? They put in — they raise, bundle their money, and send millions of dollars in there. And they want to rob the taxpayers. That is the real evil.

I mean, it is the evil that buys influence in government. And this is, to me, the corruption that should be corrected, not to pick out one of my donors out of 100,000 donors and say, oh, Ron Paul is not doing the right thing because he has not sent the money back.

I mean, I think you are missing the whole boat — the whole boat, because it is the immorality of government, it's the special interests in government, it's fighting illegal wars...

CAVUTO: All right.

PAUL: ... and financing, and taxing the people, destroying the people through inflation, and undermining this prosperity of the country.

CAVUTO: OK.

PAUL: Now, there is a moral problem that we should be dealing with. And that should be the responsibility of the government. That is what I stand for.

And, if people send me money and I spend it for that purpose, I feel good about it.

CAVUTO: All right, Congressman.

And, to be fair, your campaign has raised well over $10 million in just a little more a week. Kind of hard to keep track of contributions as little as $500. Thank you very much.

PAUL: People — people believe in our message.

CAVUTO: All right. Thank you. Very good seeing you.

Originally Posted by Reba

It has nothing to do with being "right" or "wrong." It has to do with winning the candidacy of his party. If the majority don't vote for him, then he doesn't become their candidate. It's that simple.

Originally Posted by Eve

Well, let’s see…Jews as a general practice of faith (just as with most any other form of organized religion) believe in Divine Intervention as opposed to evolution…therefore, your statement showed great prejudice. I believe I have sufficiently answered your argument, as opposed to attacking your (lack of) character, so I see no “ad hominem” here (except possibly on YOUR part).

Originally Posted by Eve

p.s. I don't happen to believe in evolution either, are you going to take away my degree?

Originally Posted by Reba

Disagree.

Originally Posted by Ron Paul

Many conservatives have touted the Fair Tax proposal as an issue in the upcoming election. A pure consumption tax like the Fair Tax would be better than the current system only if we truly did away with the income tax by repealing the 16th amendment. Otherwise, we could end up with both the income tax and a national sales tax. A consumption tax also provides more transparency and less complexity. But the real issue is total spending by government, not tax reform. In other words, why change the tax structure if spending stays the same? Once we accept that the federal government needs $2.7 trillion from us – and more each year – the only question left is from whom it will be collected. Until the federal government is held to its proper constitutionally limited functions, tax reform will remain a mirage.

Originally Posted by CitizensForRonPaul

Balance the Federal Budget
There was a time when balancing the federal budget was the most important issue of the day. Now we accept giant federal budget deficits as a natural and unavoidable occurrence. In twenty years of federal politics Ron Paul has never once voted for an unbalanced budget. Further, he not only has a clear plan to turn the deficit into a surplus (while simultaneously eliminating the federal income tax), be he has the voting track record and uncompromising integrity to do exactly what he says he will do. The value of the U.S. dollar is in free-fall in great part due to the unmitigated daily growth in the national debt. The dollar has lost half it’s value against the world’s other major currencies in only a few years. This means that a salary of $100,000 when expressed in international value, has been reduced to $50,000. Understand this, - the deliberate and secretive financial malfeasance of Federal Reserve System and the Federal Government have conspired to reduce the wages of 98% of Americans by 50%, all without their knowing. Ron Paul will balance the budget and restore common sense and rational solutions to complex national financial matters. His knowledge of economics and monetary policy is unrivaled in political circles. He is a published author and outspoken activist for financial reform, including the restoration of the practice, as permitted by the Constitution, of using gold and silver as money.

Originally Posted by Yiffzer

you fail big time.

Originally Posted by Yiffzer

first off, ron paul doesn't even look at who donates him money. he's more busy preaching the message of truth of which we all need to hear. he receives millions of dollars and his staff members take care of the money. ron paul has no idea who or where the money comes from.

Originally Posted by Yiffzer

second off, he doesn't care to return the money because it's been spent. what you don't get through your fallacious head..................."

Originally Posted by Kaitin

"Fail'? AD thread is not a final exam, Yiffzer. It is a discussion with opinions. None "fail" except people who are rude.

Originally Posted by Yiffzer

full of bullshit? at least explain why. don't just say, "you're bullshitting" without a reason. that's bad practice.

Originally Posted by Pacman

Like some of people that who is candidate and want run for president, when he was tried to say something and would expected to get majority vote, I don't think that he will follow all of what he said, such as his beliefs like would attempt to stop the war, tight the border or something, he's just want try to win the candidate and would change on himself, such as his mind would change to not stop the war. I can't trust on most of government as well and there's many of republicans, he would probably not get nod, just like what Reba said. My apology for said full of BS, I should say about not trust at him.

Originally Posted by USADaily

Ron Paul will win by a landslide
Larry Fester
Published 12/22/2007 - 4:51 p.m. EST

Analysis/Opinion-Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman, Ron Paul, can win the presidency. Contrary to the pundits and media propaganda, Ron Paul is best positioned to win the GOP nomination.

Ron Paul has more money than his opponents and is just starting to gain momentum. As a result of massive popular support Paul’s donor base is huge and donors are not close to reaching contribution limits. Paul’s opponents are going broke and their donors are maxed out. Ron Paul may raise 20 million this quarter and chances are he’ll raise more the next quarter.

To get an idea of how strong Paul’s support is consider this. Ron Paul received donations from over 123,000 people this quarter. If one out of 100 voters donate to a presidential candidate that means Paul has the support of over 12 million primary voters. My guess is that less than 1 out of 100 voters donate in a primary.

Of Paul’s opponents, John McCain and Mike Huckabee are broke and don’t have the funds to compete on Super Tuesday. Both candidates appear to be media creations in this election and don’t have that much popular support. If it weren’t for undeserved free media they wouldn’t be on the radar screens.

Giuliani was forced to go with his big state strategy because he ran the risk of getting creamed in early primaries. He appears to be a lead balloon and runs the risk of losing some of those big states to Paul. Thompson just hasn’t taken off. There is a chance he could get revived in South Carolina but he may not make it that far.

Romney is self financing his campaign and can go the distance, but how much of his personal wealth is he willing to squander?

Recent commentaries and political talk have mentioned the possibility of a brokered convention. This is an early admission by pundits that Ron Paul can’t be stopped, and a hope that he won’t have 50% of the delegates allowing his opponents to broker a deal to deny him the nomination.

Paul is unique among GOP candidates because his support is national. He can compete in every state.

The primary calendar has been frontloaded which was deliberate to keep second tier candidates (candidates not bought and paid for) from having a shot at winning the nomination. It is doubtful that when planning the schedules anybody had a clue that Ron Paul would be one of the only candidate that could be competitive on February 5th

Iowa, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina, Florida, Maine are all up for grabs prior to Super Tuesday which is on February 5th. Given the low expectations Paul only needs to win one of these to show that he can win prior to Super Tuesday.

The Iowa caucus on January 3rd will be a tough start for Paul. He hasn’t spent that much time in Iowa and may not have the organization that Romney does to win the caucus. Placing in the top five is all that is needed there. A third place would be huge.

Two days later on January 5th is the Wyoming Caucus. This state is a neighbor of Utah and Romney may have a strong organization here as well. Paul may do well here though.

January 8th in New Hampshire is where the campaign really starts for Ron Paul. He doesn’t need to win it but he probably will. Buchanan won this state in 1996 running on similar campaign themes with 27% of the vote. Paul’s support is much broader.

Paul’s odds look good for Michigan on January 15th. The state is a foreclosure war zone and Paul’s blaming of the Federal Reserve for creating a housing crash may resonate well.

January 19th Nevada and South Carolina are up for elections. Paul should win Nevada and has an outside shot at South Carolina.

On January 29th Florida is up. This is the state where Giuliani has circled his wagons. If he’s still in the race it will be an uphill battle for him especially if Paul has momentum generated by a couple victories. There is evidence of Paul support in Florida on the ground just by observing bumper stickers and yard signs on residences but Giuliani also has some visible support.

Of course, if Paul wins New Hampshire the momentum generated from that victory is likely to steam roll his campaign through all of the above mentioned states setting him up for the knock out punch on Super Tuesday.

If Ron Paul doesn’t have the nomination sewed up on Super Tuesday, Paul’s delegate rich home state of Texas will be the final nail in the coffin come March.

The point is it is already too late to stop Paul. He’s going to win the Republican nomination.

As a general election candidate Ron Paul will win a 50 state landslide against any Democratic nominee.

Ron Paul’s opposition to the war in Iraq, and defense of the Bill of Rights, and Civil Liberties, may actually dig deeply into the Democratic vote and overwhelmingly attract independents to his campaign.

His support for secure borders as an integral part of national defense is also a very popular issue that transcends parties.

If Ron Paul is the GOP nominee it won’t matter if Bloomberg or anybody else runs as a third party candidate. Once people go to Paul’s website and review his issues and record they either reject Paul’s ideas or they are sold. Paul will not lose any supporters to another candidate once they are in his camp.

Unlike media propaganda, the ideals of peace, freedom, and prosperity, are very mainstream. To the aging baby boomer population now on fixed incomes, Ron Paul’s challenging of the Federal Reserve’s ‘Inflation Tax’ is most welcomed. To the rest of America feeling the double whammy of an ‘Inflation Tax’ and progressive federal income taxes, Paul’s calls to end the income tax are a cause for celebration.

In fact, Paul’s calls for reforming the monetary system, the income tax, foreign policy, and protecting the Constitution, are a lot more mainstream than pre-emptive nuclear war, no borders, and a police state are.

Those media generated polls are as valuable as the media propaganda that pushed the nation to war in Iraq. People should have as much faith in polls as they do the Easter Bunny and computerized voting. Ron Paul is going to win by a landslide