Speeding Ticket Taser

Calvin · 12-01-2007, 05:38 AM

Folks,

First of all, this seem to be much debatable about the taser subject. Aside from that, this youtube vidoe I see is, whether the cop is justified in tasering a speeding driver who refused to sign a speeding ticket and challenging the cop. I will provide a you tube video and latest news in msnbc. This happened in the state of Utah.

I'd like to discuss and see your POV on this topic. No flame wars, I know that taser is heated debate, but with this cop's behavior I feel that is kind of overreacted and just tasered him quickly as he was about to walk back to his car.

IMO, I think the driver shouldn't challenge the cop, they should challenge in court and explain the whole thing and try to dismiss it. It's not worth the time to fight the ticket with a cop as we know they have powers and can arrest you for any reason they can find. The best thing is get a lawyer and fight the case if you feel the cop gone too far and unjustified.

Some sided with the cop, as it turns out the department found it justified in the outcry of complaints in the youtube and probably calls and emails. As you can notice there was over one million views since 2 weeks.

Here is the you tube: YouTube - Speeding Ticket Taser

Latest MSNBC news: Official deems Tasering reasonable - Life - MSNBC.com

jillio · 12-01-2007, 01:51 PM

I saw this on the news. This is a disturbing case of an officer using a taser when it was not necessary. Thank God this guy didn't have any health problems that resulted in the taser killing him! And his kid was in the backseat of the car! Think how scared that kid will be of cops from now on!

***VamPyroX*** · 12-02-2007, 03:00 AM

There are two views on this...

The use of a taser was too much. I didn't see where this was a serious threat towards the officer.

The driver should have stood still, kept his arms to his sides, and not made any sudden movements. If the driver was deaf, the license should have pointed that out and the officer could simply call in an interpreter.

Angel · 12-02-2007, 05:51 AM

Wow, I'm shock and speechless

..

I believe all police officers should use a taser unless they absolutely have to but in this case, I don't see the needed to because the driver wasn't trying to attack the officer but more of trying to explain why he believes he doesn't deserved a ticket because I noticed for one thing that the officer did pulled over the driver immediately after seeing the 40 mph sign without giving him some time to slow down, etc. but yet I just wish the driver should have stand still, remain in his truck or shouldn't have approached to close to where the officer was standing. I also can see that the pregnant girl almost got tasered too.

I wonder what would happen if the driver happened to be deaf?, now that's scary.

I don't see how people can win this case out of court because normally the court will support their police officers and I've seen it happened, also police officers pulls people over immediately by thinking they're speeding, without giving them some time to slow down, I know for the fact that police officers do make some errors on their part too, but sadly they get away with it. I also agree with Calvin here, it's not worth agruing with a police officer over a ticket.

Angel · 12-02-2007, 06:05 AM

Does police officers taser children if they talk back?..:curious:

Calvin · 12-02-2007, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

Does police officers taser children if they talk back?..:curious:

That's a good question, thats what I wonder too. If the children goes out of control would they taser them? I hope not! children are fragile and would not take taser shot. Maybe I missed something but I haven't heard any children got tasered in the news?

Angel · 12-02-2007, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Calvin

That's a good question, thats what I wonder too. If the children goes out of control would they taser them? I hope not! children are fragile and would not take taser shot. Maybe I missed something but I haven't heard any children got tasered in the news?

I remember a story a couple of years ago about a police officer tasered a 12 years old girl from Florida who skipped school, he caught her smoking and drinking and he told her he was going to take her back to school, I guess she ran off and he repeatly told her to stop but she refused so he used the taser on her. There's another one in Florida about little boy who is only 6 years old, he threatened to cut his leg with a piece of glass at school, so the officer used the taser on this little boy to stop him from harming himself , if a mother did something like this, I know for sure that she would have been charge for child abuse. They could have found other ways or methods to deal with such a situation, but sadly when it comes to children, I guess they feel helpless like there's no other way to get across to them.

Why use taser to protect these children even if it harms them?

Calvin · 12-02-2007, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

I remember a story a couple of years ago about a police officer tasered a 12 years old girl from Florida who skipped school, he caught her smoking and drinking and he told her he was going to take her back to school, I guess she ran off and he repeatly told her to stop but she refused so he used the taser on her. There's another one in Florida about little boy who is only 6 years old, he threatened to cut his leg with a piece of glass at school, so the officer used the taser on this little boy to stop him from harming himself , if a mother did something like this, I know for sure that she would have been charge for child abuse. They could have found other ways or methods to deal with such a situation, but sadly when it comes to children, I guess they feel helpless like there's no other way to get across to them.

Why use taser to protect these children even if it harms them?

wow that's a shame that they tasered them

I agreee it should be the parent's responsibility for their kids. It's sad to see police doing something to children especially frighten them when they use force on them

Banjo · 12-02-2007, 01:52 PM

The problem is, the driver was not complying with the police officer's instructions at all. However, the use of a taser gun was out of the question in this case.

What really got me was that he felt he had the right to search through the vehicle. Seriously, over a speeding ticket? Come on, there's no probable cause for a search warranty in this case.

Both sides are at fault, but the police officer should had known better. The taser guns cannot be used on just anybody.

Angel · 12-02-2007, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calvin

It's sad to see police doing something to children especially frighten them when they use force on them

Exactly!

***VamPyroX*** · 12-03-2007, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

The problem is, the driver was not complying with the police officer's instructions at all. However, the use of a taser gun was out of the question in this case.

What really got me was that he felt he had the right to search through the vehicle. Seriously, over a speeding ticket? Come on, there's no probable cause for a search warranty in this case.

Both sides are at fault, but the police officer should had known better. The taser guns cannot be used on just anybody.

jillio · 12-03-2007, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angel

I remember a story a couple of years ago about a police officer tasered a 12 years old girl from Florida who skipped school, he caught her smoking and drinking and he told her he was going to take her back to school, I guess she ran off and he repeatly told her to stop but she refused so he used the taser on her. There's another one in Florida about little boy who is only 6 years old, he threatened to cut his leg with a piece of glass at school, so the officer used the taser on this little boy to stop him from harming himself , if a mother did something like this, I know for sure that she would have been charge for child abuse. They could have found other ways or methods to deal with such a situation, but sadly when it comes to children, I guess they feel helpless like there's no other way to get across to them.

Why use taser to protect these children even if it harms them?

There was a story on the news about a year and a half or two years ago where an officer tasered a kid in the 4th grade. This kid had been diagnosed with a mental illness, and was creating a disturbance in the class. But he was inthe 4th grade, for Heaven's sake. Restrain him. There were plenty of adults around!

jillio · 12-03-2007, 02:06 AM

The argument with the officer was regarding the fact that the driver was refusing to sign the ticket because the officer would not tell him how fast he was going and the driver didn't think he was speeding. Simple solution:

The officer had the tag number of the driver. Look up his address, and mail him the friggin' ticket. If he doesn't show up for court, the judge will issue a no-show bench warrant, and his driver's license will be automatically revoked. No tasers necessary.

Angel · 12-03-2007, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

The argument with the officer was regarding the fact that the driver was refusing to sign the ticket because the officer would not tell him how fast he was going and the driver didn't think he was speeding. Simple solution:

The officer had the tag number of the driver. Look up his address, and mail him the friggin' ticket. If he doesn't show up for court, the judge will issue a no-show bench warrant, and his driver's license will be automatically revoked. No tasers necessary.

:nodding: I absolutely agree Jillio!, also I find it quite odd that the officer wouldn't tell him how fast he was going, also searching through the driver's vehicle, this doesn't sound right to me at all. I suppose the officer was trying to make it look like he's arresting the driver for a good reason.

Angel · 12-03-2007, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

There was a story on the news about a year and a half or two years ago where an officer tasered a kid in the 4th grade. This kid had been diagnosed with a mental illness, and was creating a disturbance in the class. But he was inthe 4th grade, for Heaven's sake. Restrain him. There were plenty of adults around!

So sad

Oceanblue7 · 12-03-2007, 12:45 PM

In the eyes of law its not wrong for them to use a taser gun bec the person refused to sign a ticket. That's why they carry them to protect themselves from the individual bec that person can do harm as well. That's just my POV. I know its not the right thing to do , like I said in the eyes of law its not.

Wokamuka · 12-03-2007, 03:28 PM

Police officers were equiped with guns for self defense/protection.

TASERs were issued to police officers as an alternative to guns.

Lately, it seems that police officers are using it not for self-defense but for control/manipulation and/or assault. The police officers are there to keep the peace . . . not make trouble.

The guy was not in any way a threat to the police officer. Jillio's solution sounded far more reasonable:

Quote:

Simple solution:

The officer had the tag number of the driver. Look up his address, and mail him the friggin' ticket. If he doesn't show up for court, the judge will issue a no-show bench warrant, and his driver's license will be automatically revoked. No tasers necessary.

There is no honor in shooting (any form of missiles) another in the back.

jillio · 12-03-2007, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oceanblue7

In the eyes of law its not wrong for them to use a taser gun bec the person refused to sign a ticket. That's why they carry them to protect themselves from the individual bec that person can do harm as well. That's just my POV. I know its not the right thing to do , like I said in the eyes of law its not.

How is refusing to sign a ticket a direct threat to the safety of the officer? They are only supposed to taser in the case of a direct threat to themselves or others. And only if they cannot restrain or subdue the person in another way.

12-01-2007, 05:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
Calvin Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: California Posts: 1,792	Speeding Ticket Taser Folks, First of all, this seem to be much debatable about the taser subject. Aside from that, this youtube vidoe I see is, whether the cop is justified in tasering a speeding driver who refused to sign a speeding ticket and challenging the cop. I will provide a you tube video and latest news in msnbc. This happened in the state of Utah. I'd like to discuss and see your POV on this topic. No flame wars, I know that taser is heated debate, but with this cop's behavior I feel that is kind of overreacted and just tasered him quickly as he was about to walk back to his car. IMO, I think the driver shouldn't challenge the cop, they should challenge in court and explain the whole thing and try to dismiss it. It's not worth the time to fight the ticket with a cop as we know they have powers and can arrest you for any reason they can find. The best thing is get a lawyer and fight the case if you feel the cop gone too far and unjustified. Some sided with the cop, as it turns out the department found it justified in the outcry of complaints in the youtube and probably calls and emails. As you can notice there was over one million views since 2 weeks. Here is the you tube: YouTube - Speeding Ticket Taser Latest MSNBC news: Official deems Tasering reasonable - Life - MSNBC.com __________________

12-02-2007, 03:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hell Posts: 27,867	There are two views on this... The use of a taser was too much. I didn't see where this was a serious threat towards the officer. The driver should have stood still, kept his arms to his sides, and not made any sudden movements. If the driver was deaf, the license should have pointed that out and the officer could simply call in an interpreter. __________________ Check out my city... CLICK HERE! (If you already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

12-02-2007, 05:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
Angel ♥"Concrete Angel"♥ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 19,088	Wow, I'm shock and speechless .. I believe all police officers should use a taser unless they absolutely have to but in this case, I don't see the needed to because the driver wasn't trying to attack the officer but more of trying to explain why he believes he doesn't deserved a ticket because I noticed for one thing that the officer did pulled over the driver immediately after seeing the 40 mph sign without giving him some time to slow down, etc. but yet I just wish the driver should have stand still, remain in his truck or shouldn't have approached to close to where the officer was standing. I also can see that the pregnant girl almost got tasered too. I wonder what would happen if the driver happened to be deaf?, now that's scary. I don't see how people can win this case out of court because normally the court will support their police officers and I've seen it happened, also police officers pulls people over immediately by thinking they're speeding, without giving them some time to slow down, I know for the fact that police officers do make some errors on their part too, but sadly they get away with it. I also agree with Calvin here, it's not worth agruing with a police officer over a ticket. __________________ "When we do the best we can, we never know what miracle is brought in our life, OR in the life of another." ~ Helen Keller

12-02-2007, 06:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
Angel ♥"Concrete Angel"♥ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 19,088	Does police officers taser children if they talk back?..:curious: __________________ "When we do the best we can, we never know what miracle is brought in our life, OR in the life of another." ~ Helen Keller

12-03-2007, 12:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
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12-01-2007, 01:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,197	I saw this on the news. This is a disturbing case of an officer using a taser when it was not necessary. Thank God this guy didn't have any health problems that resulted in the taser killing him! And his kid was in the backseat of the car! Think how scared that kid will be of cops from now on!

12-02-2007, 01:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
Banjo Mr. Movie Guy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,129 Blog Entries: 1	The problem is, the driver was not complying with the police officer's instructions at all. However, the use of a taser gun was out of the question in this case. What really got me was that he felt he had the right to search through the vehicle. Seriously, over a speeding ticket? Come on, there's no probable cause for a search warranty in this case. Both sides are at fault, but the police officer should had known better. The taser guns cannot be used on just anybody.

12-03-2007, 02:06 AM	#13 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,197	The argument with the officer was regarding the fact that the driver was refusing to sign the ticket because the officer would not tell him how fast he was going and the driver didn't think he was speeding. Simple solution: The officer had the tag number of the driver. Look up his address, and mail him the friggin' ticket. If he doesn't show up for court, the judge will issue a no-show bench warrant, and his driver's license will be automatically revoked. No tasers necessary.

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