Aleser

I don't see it that way. First, humans as a whole, we crave acceptance. If (in another world) I wanted to be deaf, I'm pretty sure I'd want to be accepted into the Deaf community. And frankly, the only thing I find shocking and creepy about what's been discussed in this thread, is how people on this forum treat others. How on -earth- can we argue that being deaf is okay, that it is at least a neutral if not a positive, and at the same time call people who want to be -just like us- freaks? It speaks volumes about how not-okay we are with deafness, or for that matter any disability mentioned.

Second, maybe they're just defending themselves? I, too, would (and do) defend the groups I identify with. If someone on a strange forum made fun of or insulted deaf or deafblind people, I'd probably be tempted to join and pick an argument with them. The same applies if they expressed disgust over my religion, nationality, ect. I want to be treated with respect and I want to be regarded as a human being, just like everyone else does.

Why should some complete stranger be less deserving of that simply based on the fact that they have a disability -different- than mine? Who am I- heck, who are we, to treat people with BIID like interesting circus animals?

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shel90

U have a good point but I think the difference between being deaf and having BIID is that people with this condition sometimes do themselves bodily harm while deaf people dont. That is kinda hard to disgest and accept. Just being honest here.

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doh

Let's be honest: lots of people hurt themselves: suicide, alcoholism, smoking, self-harm, eating disorder (although I'm not 100% certain that after the first few conscious acts it is under their control)... not limited to people with BIID I think. Except that BIID usually need to harm their (often) otherwise healthy body to be what they think is normal for themselves.

I can't understand why people drink so much or smoke but I understand suicide and self-injury. Maybe it's just perspective. What I get out of self-harm (cutting ) outweighs not doing it - it's cost/benefit and the benefit outweigh the cost. Maybe the same for BIID.

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jillio

No one said that they are less deserving. You are entitled to view it in any way you wish. I am giving my professional assessment. They are not less deserving, they are in need of treatment for a serious psychological disorder. To encourage them to continue in their illness does not benefit them.

defgrl

For years, I had known how to sign and had Deaf friends, etc. However, I had always labelled myself as "Hearing." I have had "Deaf feelings" for many years, but I thought that I was "nutso" or that something was wrong with me in some way because I had these feelings and experiences. When I learned Sign at age 20, I felt like a whole new world opened up for me. Sure, I wanted to be Deaf. I wanted to belong! But I did not find out about my own hearing problem(?s) until 1996. Even then, I still continued to label myself as "Hearing." I have started asking Deaf people what I am. Most say I have to decide for myself. I have more trouble with mainstream society's definition of deafness (small "d") than with Deaf people definition of Deafness (big "D"). For now, I am calling myself "Hard-of-Hearing" However, I am not trying to hide who I am from the Deaf Community. I am also see a psychologist. However, he is HOH himself and he can sign. Very well, in fact. There are some people who insist that I am "Hearing." But they will conceed that I am "hearing impaired." I think some of the confusion is from all the different labels and the different views. I have Asperger's and I may have LD's as well. I am a visual-spatial learner. I think Sign IS easier to communicate in.

moonflower

well i know someone who a hearing wannabe and lying.

Shrugs i guess anyone who is anything wannabes need some help

jillio

Very true, moonflower!

AlleyCat

Every single day, because I'm surrounded by my hearing friends, hearing boyfriend, hearing family, I learn something new each day of what I don't hear. Here's one ridiculously stupid example: Just the other day someone looked at me because I opened a jar. They could hear it "pop" (the air seal) open. I have never heard that in my life, never will. I long for the things I can't hear and the thought of a hearing person wanting to be deaf just so they can "fit in" sickens/saddens me.

kokonut

Desire for amputation of a limb: paraphilia, psychosis, or a new type of identity disorder - BIID-Info.org

There is always something new to learn about our own brain and how wirings can get crossed or simple chemical imbalance in the brain to cause a variety of mental illnesses not yet realized or understood clearly. If Gender Identity Disorder exists so does the possibility that BIID exist as well. The brain can indeed be a strange little universe of its own with all the quirks and normalcy.

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Daredevel7

I wonder if BIID people ever hang out with people with disabilities that they want. Especially those who are paralyzed.

Frankly, I don't care what people want to do to themselves, but if you're gonna take advantage of tax payers' money to pay for what you want... That's where I draw the line.

netrox

"Gender Identity Disorder" is extremely inaccurate as a term, in my opinion. It should be called Sex Identity Disorder. Gender is a social construct of how a person should abide with the "normal" roles of gender. How a person dresses or behaves does not influence his/her sex whatsoever. Since gender is entirely subjective, you cannot make it a "disorder."

SID (Sex Identity Disorder) is when you're born biologically a sex of what you perceive to be the opposite. Because you can NEVER dispute the biological fact - either you are born with a male or a female genitiala. If you have a penis and still say you're a girl, then you have SID. The same is true for women who think they got penises. There are RARE cases of intersexed babies but they do NOT have mental illness at all.

Homosexuality is NOT a mental illness and has been long removed from the DSM so you cannot compare homosexuality to BIID or SID.

lgomezme

So I have been accused of pretending to be deaf and our made me so mad! A.I don't know why any one would ever pretend to be deaf and b. I have Meniere's disease so some days are better than others.

People always put judgment on me because they assume that I am not really deaf because I don't "find" deaf... Erg! Instead of support I get treated likeI am crazy our acting! Why would anyone course this! That makes new sick.

caz12

i see documentary about desire for amputation/zoophellia.this man saw pretty woman sametime as white horse it did something to his brain,and from that day on it was horses.(use imagination)another man had overwhelming desire for amputation he tied himself to rail line and leg chop of,he felt normal after that.the brain is strange organ
at one deaf schools i know they had some boys there who had pschollogical deafness and having lived half life in hearing and rest in profoundly worlds i got insight but one day of profoundly deaf and they change minds...depression is the most reason person desire be deaf and some have romantic view,but unaware have different thinking more blunt to point

Mimsy

I had to google BIID, I never heard of this. OMG. It makes me feel uncomfortable knowing that some people are like that.

Grummer

^^^just dont get any ideas LOL

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Grummer

holy shit...it is REALLLLLY ****ED UP......why the hell they wanna cut of a decent arm? its just worse than self-mutilation...well it probably IS that but a VERY EXTREME form...

my guess in this world since the last 20 years, more pronounced in the last 10-15 is people are BORED, so they crave ANY imaginable *stunts* just for "EXTreMES* not sure why, but to Prove something...

there MUST be a sociological reason for such extremility...wow id get back to ya all on this one , after i done my newspapers reporting...(yes stay tuned)...

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Barbaro

Law & Order SVU was doing that show about women with one leg. Creepy guy with mental problems asked a prostitute if he can amputate her leg. He offered to pay $25,000 to do it, and she LET him do it. Creepy.

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Mimsy

Don't get any ideas to cut off my legs???? Hell to the no! I wouldn't do that. It makes me want to throw up.

Marie579

Takes all kinds doesn't it??? The kind of hearing loss I have I got from head trauma and from what I read it can also be caused from loud noises over a period of time. Sometimes I wish for just a minute of no pain, just to remember what it's like. These people messing with their own ears know not what they might be asking for. I'm coping. I have to. I'm just saying.... crazy crazy crazy

Abdurrafi

My mother and I were talking about this after watching something about a guy who chopped his foot off on National Geographic Channel. She brought up a good point of I wonder if this is done by people for the ability to collect disability. I know it sounds like a stretch but of course so does someone who would cut off their leg.
I also found a yahoo group for "deaf wannabes" and there were people talking about cutting their eardrum and such. Again I wonder if this is for a want of collecting a disability check.

I know I at times have severe pain with my tinnitus and have wondered about if the auditory nerve being cut would help that. Of course I talked to my dr and she explained tinnitus to me. And has prescribed something for when the pain gets unbearable.

soutthpaw

So how do you explain Surgeons doing Gender Reassignment Surgery??? Would seem your explanation fit that as well yet many people have had this done and doctors seem to feel it is ethical and a fix for a mental disorder...
Edit: I see its an old post and user is Banned but same applies to the Amputation desire. I really don't see how having the need to wack of one's wee wee or boobies is any different from wacking of and arm or leg??? or getting plastic surgery. All are equally a psychological issue.

On the Austic forum I post on, there are a couple of threads about people wanting to be mute or deaf. But, their reasoning is much more logical and none actually seemed to want it in real life, it was more of a way of avoiding painful stimulus or having to socialize. Personally though I finally realized that the reason I hate using my CI is probably because I am hypersensitive to sound and probably that it sounds so artificial and most of the time is just a bunch of unintelligible noise. If I had to hear 24/7 now, I think I would go crazy(ier)!
Also being Autistic I loath socalizing in most cases and trying to do it with hearing people just makes it 10x worse

soutthpaw

Did you investigate getting a CI? I have a good friend who did it to help his tinnitis. It was successful, He could care less about actually hearing with the CI for the most part.

soutthpaw

Yeah we like you just the way you are

Abdurrafi

I do not know anything about CI's as I am getting HA for the first time next week. My dr did tell me that some of the tinnitus might go away from wearing the HA. But if it does not I will talk to her about other options. It is weird in the morning i don't hurt but by bedtime I almost always have a migraine from the ringing.

Marie579

I wake up hurting and go to bed hurting, I see a pain dr, but that's about all I can do to manage it. And that barely works. It'd be nice to know what it's like to not have pain....but oh well, can't have every thing in life you want. My tinnitus is just sometimes, a side effect of the recruitment, I guess you'd say. It's so minor to the pain that it doesn't bother me as much as the pain does. But when the tinnitus starts sounding like a radio station that needs to be tuned in better that kinda sucks. It's just the mind boggling pain every second that makes me wanna rip my ears out sometimes!! Other than I'm just trying to be okay. I wish noise didn't hurt, I hate how it affects my kids!!! I used to love the noise of kids playing!!!

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Aluzky

Some people have a sexual attraction for disabilities, so they want to be with some on who has some disability. Or want to have a disability themselves (some people will amputate a limb to get what they want or do mother "crazy" stuff to become disabled for real)

Is similar to a transgenders that go though sex change to become complete, to that kind of people, getting a disability makes them "complete"

Now, these kind of people should not confused with people who has a Münchhausen syndrome.

In Münchausen syndrome, the goal is get attention (positive or negative) with the other people, they do it because it is their sexuality.

Mimsy

I'm a rich-wannabe. I hope that doesn't mean I need mental help!

respectyoda

You shouldn't be a rich-wannabe. You should just be content with what you have! Besides, there are a lot of things that money cannot buy!

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