webexplorer

I understand how you feel about that. I have a better idea for you not to abuse your hearing. You will definitely need your hearing.

You could put two ear plugs in your ears, but I thought that you might want to get your earmoulds. Someone at hearing aid shop can make one for you. This will help you to reduce the noise. I am not talking about getting hearing aids. Just the molds. That would be a good experiment for you to find out. I think that it is worth try it.

The earmould should have a tiny hole in it because your ear needs air. The hole is likely to cut down some noises so that you feel more relief.

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lumbingmi

I am deaf but I still enjoy listening to music. Trance/Drum n Bass are my favorite bec these genres have so high bass and less vocals.

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Raykat

Good one Jillio........I am like WTF with this thread.....whilst I feel sorry for these pitiful people with all these real mental and/or imaginary physical illnesses I would strongly suggest they go start their own website. It sickens me to think there are people posting on here who are not hoh or deaf and are leading us genuine posters around by the nose.

Give any one of them a real disability and it would soon take their minds off pretending to be what they are not.

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Chase

Very well put.

dreama

What problems do you think those people cause? I was born with a variety of minor disablilities. When I lost my sight for psycosomatic reasons I was accused of 'faking'. I faced a lot of misunderstanding and discrimination all my life due to my disabilities yet I refuse to blame people with BIID for this misunderstanding. Rather a society that will treat criminals with more understanding and tolerance then it treats some disabled people. Particularly those with Neuropsycological problems.

I don't think these people can just get over their cravings. They would like to be more open about the real nature of their problems but do you really think they would keep their jobs if they did that, and yes, many of them do have jobs so they can pay for their own chairs etc... If they waste tax payers money it's only because the doctor's won't simply amputate them which is what they really want but insist on treating their injuries instead. So it's hardly their fault. If the doctors would only amputate the limbs it would be far more cost affective I think and I'm sure their would be a lot of useful bits on a healthy leg that could be reused on someone else.

For all BIID suffererers who are reading this I welcome you here and apologies for those who are so rude and unsympathetic to your problems.

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dreama

But their problems ARE real.

I know how real mental health problems can be because I've inherited mum's tendancy towards psycosomatic ailments. They are so common that I don't even bother taking them to the doctor any more. I just grit my teeth and usually they go away on their own. However this is not always the case as I found out last summer when I had a bad ear infection. It went on for over a week with me assuming that it was another of those psycosomatic ailments I get. I ended up going to the local hospital when the level of pain got too great and still I worried that the doctor would say there was nothing wrong and treat me like a fake, but they didn't because the infection was all very REAL this time.

Actually I think people who suffer a lot from mentally caused ailments welcome 'real' physical ones because at least there maybe something done and even when there isn't you get more understanding, wheras you are on your own with phycosomatic problems and people get mad at you because they think this is something you are doing delibrately to annoy them.

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Raykat

I know their PROBLEMS are real dreama, but these are mental health problems, caused by any number of incidents in the past. What I disagree with is those who fake a physical disability like deafness or paraplegia, for whatever reason it may be, to gain attention, make themselves feel loved or anything else.

I also feel this forum is for deaf/Deaf or hoh members and not for those who merely want to be deaf, no matter what their reasons for desiring this may be.
What is wrong with them joining or starting their own website to share their own experiences. Ok there may be some crossover if a person is genuinely deaf/hoh but if not then they dont belong here and I am sure many alldeaf members will not feel comfortable sharing their feelings knowing that some readers/posters are just feeding off others experiences.

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doh

Curious what you feel towards people who are not deaf/hoh at all that post here, like ASL students.

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shel90

I have never thought of that and I sure wouldnt feel comfortable with that.

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Raykat

I have no problem with "hearies" posting on here so long as they have a genuine interest in or connection to deafness. This may be as parents, siblings offspring, friends etc of a deaf person. Also as you said above, ASL students.

What I object to is someone who may have problems (mental or otherwise) that are not associated with deafness posting on here, possibly pretending to be deaf just to get us deafies to open up and share experiences. This could then be used to prop up or flesh out the non deaf persons "acting" as a deaf person. Of course we cannot stop anyone from reading what is posted but to have whole threads devoted to syndromes that have nothing to do with deafness does not seem right to me.

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dreama

They only came on here to post because we were being really horrible about their condition.

BTW I was born HOH and am now profoundly deaf but I can certainly empathise with their situation because people have been horrible with me too. I also see NOTHINGwrong with what they are doing. What does it matter what their condition is. After all their are a lots of hearing wannabies who have doctor's plant things in their ears to make them closer to Hearies. Raykat, how would you like it if someone said you were creepy because you chose to have a CI? Because personally I see no differance between somone who damages their ears to make themselves Deaf and people who spend lots of money getting doctors to put things in their ear to make them closer to hearies. Both are obviously not happy with the way they are and both are doing something about it. What is wrong with that?

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jillio

jillio

Raykat. I am not denying that these individuals have a disorder. However, the disorder has absolutley nothing to do with deafness. They are not in need of a forum, they are in need of extensive psychiatric/psychological services. To allow them to manipulate AD for their own fulfillment of distorted needs is simply to justify their lack of willingness to get treatment for their mental disorder.

jillio

Correct. Look at the Washoe studies in depth, and you will see the flaws in the research design that led to those erroneous conclusions.

Raykat

What I cant understand is why they are on here in the first place, and if we are being horrible about their condition why would they stick around.......back to my original comment......go find their own website, where they will get all the support they need.

I first heard, or read, about this type of thing a short while ago, I think it was a magazine article about people who wanted limbs removed. I could not then, and still cant now, get my head around why people would want to abuse their bodies in such a way. Compare that with scenes on TV of children with limbs blown off by landmines who would gladly have their limbs back.

Dreama, I do feel sorry for these people, and thank God that I dont suffer from the affliction. I dont think I am being horrible in suggesting that these people seek all the help they can get, either thru the mental health system, councelling, or whatever is available, rather than physically damaging themselves.

As for your question about my CI surgery, hearing is one of the five senses we are normally born with, what I am doing is replacing ,as best medical science can, something that should have been mine by birthright. If I lost a leg in a motor accident I would certainly want a prosethis (spelling?) rather than be bound to a wheelchair. I think this makes me rather different from those who, for whatever reason, want to remove body parts or senses.

And yes, I have met my share of horrible people owing to my deafness too!!

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jillio

I realize that this was addressed to dreama, but I feel compelled to answer the bolded question.

Coming into a website where they believe they are "being treated horribly" allows them to continue with the internal justification that they are horribly misunderstood and oppressed. Better known as the "poor me syndrome". If you will note, several have stated that their mental health professionals do not understand them, either. Maintaining that facade of everyone else is wrong about this and I am right, no matter how much expertise the other may have, keeps them mired in their illness and gives them an excuse for not putting forth the effort needed for recovery from the illness. It is a vicious cycle. At the root of it is a complete unwillingness to take personal responsibility for oneself. Hence, the obsession with disability.

Raykat

I can sympathize only in that I have a few quirks that I would like to see justified by lots of eager women. I think I’m entitled to their attention. I’m also working on four or five initials to call my malady (that doesn’t include the word “pervert”).

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Raykat

You nailed it there Jillio, maybe its time to close this thread and stop giving them what they obviously crave.

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jillio

We could call Chase's problem DOM syndrome (Dirty Old Man).

Raykat

And there's no cure for that.........hehehehe

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jillio

You have a point there.

jillio

No, but thank goodness it isn't fatal! And sometimes quite entertaining for others!

dreama

It was me who said we were being horrible. I was just trying to straighten things out because people here show them a high degree of intolerance. I'm really surprised at your reaction to this.

Off topic:

well actually Primates ARE very highly intelligent. In fact in some tests they have shown higher ability then humans. I think it s high time that animals were given more rights. So the conclusions made about primate intelligence were not irodious at all.

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dreama

Well maybe they feel that they should have been born disabled. After all they did want to be disabled from early childhood. I somehow see a similarity here. Either we all accept the way we are without trying to change anything or we can change things one way or another. A normal state is no better or worse then a disabled one. There for wanting to change from a normal state to a disabled state is no worse then wanting to change from a disabled state to an able one.

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doh

Hearing wannabe? funny

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Chase

Dreama, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. But then, neither do you! You're a great deal more off than just the topic.

1. It's quite clear from your recent rants that one of your real agenda is the PETA idea that all animal life is equal. The "feeling" (as apposed to "thinking") is that dominance of humans is a bad thing and should be reversed. To make that happen, you people will tell any lie and suborn any logic.

2. There is no such word as "irodious." It's just more gobbledegook designed to confuse and gull the gullible.

3. "In fact in some tests they have shown higher ability then (sic) humans." There is no question that any species has one to several abilities higher than humans. So what? It's by these half truths and tricks in wording that you traitors to your own kind hope to persude the foolish to go back to their caves. Worse, you want us completely defenseless to the superiority of sharper teeth and stronger claws. It's the worse sort of duplicity; you people are truly ill.

4. Actually the human tendency to see through fakery (i.e.: camouflage, imitation, deceptive traits, etc.) is one trait that has helped us survive.

5. It's true that we don't always, but we are still one of the few animals which strives to care for its truly disabled members. It should be no surprise at all that we are suspect of those who fake disability for whatever reason.

6. "There for (sic) wanting to change from a normal state to a disabled state is no worse then wanting to change from a disabled state to an able one." Therefore means "consequently," that the premise has been proved. You are poles away from proving fakers and liars deserve equal status in this community, or in the course of daily life.

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jillio

The conclusions drawn from the Washoe study was not in relation to primate intelligence, but to linguistic abilities. And the conclusions regarding linguistic capacity were erroneous based on several study flaws that have been pointed out through extensive review of the research. That is not to say that primates do not possess a degree of cognitive ability, simply that the Washoe study was flawed, and as a result, many of the conclusions drawn from the data were erroneous.

Roadrunner

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According to this post: #95 ..pretty much sums up for which this post is coming across. No matter the desires or ills that supposedly 'fakers' are driving at, meaing, whether with an intent to reach out to others or simply in a malicious way trying to gain attention--there's no need to push these types of individuals away if and when they do come here to AD. Also, AD is not just limited to only issues related to deafness, etc., it's made up by the majority of its members being deaf, hoh, c.i. user, etc.,...therefore, anyone and any type of topic can be encouraged to be discussed and have participation across the board.

As for this saying: "..compassion is always the higher road.. and scorn is the lowest road anyone can travel on."..members surely can contribute and attribute from this kind of thread and the few members who came here only for this type of discussion, please, give them 'room' and the respect. As much as any 'other' member who so desire to have respect also, hence, it goes both ways, for those who cannot simply because of such opinions or beliefs or how these individuals are viewed, please do not bother posting in this thread.

As always, 'hope' is a better tool and greater means of acheiving or accomplishing to help, support and overcome than it is to 'put down such reasonings'.



Peace out!
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jillio

While I agree with everything you have said, RR, compassion is not the equivalent of enabling. One can have compassion for the individual with such an illness, but it does not serve the best interest of the individual to justify the behavior associated with such a disorder. In fact, my professional code of ethics forbids me from doing so. While it may have appeared that such reasonings were being put down, it was not so much a "put down" as technique known as "cognitive restructuring" which points out in error in the individual's reasoning. It is the very technique that is used for disorders of this nature, and quite successfully with those that are sincere in overcoming their disorder.

P.S. No disrespect intended.