wylz

I am *so* glad you are not my mental health professional.

Before the DSM IV TR came out, there was the DSM IV, and before that, there was the DSM III, and before that? DSM II. This means that they are continually adding things to the DSM, and continually taking things out. A condition may exist before it goes in the DSM, or it may exist after it's taken out of the DSM. Being in the DSM does not mean it doesn't exist.

Exactly.

Oh but you are an arrogant so and so! You have the response for everything, you are *so* right and we are *so* wrong.

BIID exists. Again, it's not because it's not in the DSM that it does not exist.

many psychologists have treated many people with BIID for "primary disorders", from borderline personality disorder to OCD, to BDD, and many other things. And guess what? To a person, they ALL report that these things don't work, that at the end, BIID is still present.

It's not *me* saying this, although I agree with it. But when the majority of professionals who have written about BIID state that 1)it exists, and 2)there are no form of treatment short of surgery that touches it, I tend to believe them. I'm sorry Jillio, but your credentials just don't match.

Yes, and we have already pointed out that the DSM is not the be all and end all. But that said, I'll emphasise what you wrote: It is compiled by the top practitioners within the field and is based on the most current research. We've already mentionned Doctor Michael First. Several times. Did you chose to ignore it? He's a top practitioner in his field. He also happens to be an editor of the DSM IV TR and of the upcoming DSM V. I think we also mentionned that he is the one who put forward the term Body Integrity Identity Disorder.

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Dixie

This may seem irrevalent - but this is my opinion:

Claire, it more or less sounds like your only looking for a therapist that can justify your behavior. Problem is the only therapist would justify it is one that is unethical.

Ana has nothing to with BIID. Anas and Mias want more to do with PERFECT BODIES rather than a debilitated body that is useless or obessed with a body that is ineffective to do what it was intended to do. BIID has alot more to do with self-pity. I would be very pizzed to find out that the woman in the wheelchair that I held the door was only faking it. Get out of the wormhole, get up, walk, hold your head high. You dont need to fake a disability to find a comfort within yourself.

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SnAzZyStyLe2002

.... ick. That's all I'm gonna say.

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cherry

Very strange and scary activity

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Liza

What happened to agreeing to disagree?
I feel so bad from looking at some of the posts.
I think everyone who has posted here seems pretty sound of mind, just pretty strong willed.

I, for one thing, am giving benefit of the doubt about the transabled (nice on that benefit of doubt, gives a lot of room and tolerance) - there is a lot I don't know and understand about how the universe works so it would be indeed arrogant of me to say this does not exist simply because someone has not covered it


Dixie, and all who made comments like this....

ah, guys, that was pretty harsh, because you do not take WHY and how a human being may choose to be in a wheelchair or want to be Deaf. I still don't fully understand either, but that is no way to discuss with another who has taken the time to explain despite the strong feelings in here.

I am utterly ashamed that we would treat others arrogantly like this when we have that same problem of being treated by others about being Deaf! We are acting just like those who prejudge peeps on color of skin, deafness, etc etc. How dare y'all be so prejudiced? I can't stand this anymore, so I must make this clear that there are other opinions like mine

So, no matter what you may believe of BIID or anything like that, compassion is always the higher road.. and scorn is the lowest road anyone can travel on

jillio

The term Body Integrity Disorder has been in use in the field for quite sometime, and in fact was recognized as a disorder going back to the neo-Freudians. The term used to describe it may change, the disorder does not.

And yes, Michael First is ONE of the editors of the DSM IV TR. And BIID still is not included. And chances are great that it won't be included in the newer revision when it comes out, either.

I'm very gald I am not your therapist, as well. Clients who refuse to take an active role in treatment, ande constantly attempt to point out their uniqueness, and claim that effective treatments don't work for them are a waste of the threapist's time. You are what is commonly referred to inthe field as a "Yes, but." If you are having difficulty in finding a competent therapist totreat you, this is probably the reason. After an initial interview, they simply realize that you are untreatable, not becauseof your disorder, but because of desire to continue in the behavior you claim to want to correct.

If you don't like what is said to you on this forum, then perhaps you would be better off sticking to those forums that support you. After all, this forum is AllDeaf, and we are here to discuss issues regarding deafness. Obviously, that is not your motivation for being here. Youa re simply here to attempt to garner suppport for your, as yet, nonexistent diagnosis.

jillio

You hit that one dead on, Dixie.

webexplorer

This reminded me of a student in my class at college a couple of years ago. He pretended to be deaf and knows sign language. I caught him after class talking a teacher some questions without sign language. His teacher had to help and teach him in the class because her boss informed about him that he needed to catch up his skills.

A few months later, I finally asked him whether he is really hearing. He said yes. He told me that he has a learning disability. He never revealed to anyone expect me and his teacher. He had a drug problem in the past that screwed him up. He is better since then. So far, I haven't heard from him for years so I hope that he is doing okay. I have to accept who he is. Now, some people are pretending to be handicapped seem getting worse and they are about disadvantaging us nowadays. (Sight)

Kaitin

I understand nothing......what are "anas" and "mias"?

Kaitin

I answered my question about anas and mias with Google (can't edit any more). Wow. I hadn't known or imagined this before.

Kaitin

Just today.

Sorry - double post.

jillio

We all have those days, Kaitlin!

Liza

I had an interesting thought after reading Banjo's post about neural implant. What if people offered technology so advanced and so cheap, that it is only in form of a pill or a shot.. and hearing would be 100%... would Deaf people be pressured into taking that or be considered "transabled" if they stayed Deaf by choice? Or will they become hearing, but choose sign language as a main way communicate still?

Deafilmedia

I don't know why people pretend to be deaf. Most deaf people aren't
the nicest people on Earth. They believe in rumors. At Gallaudet,
Deaf people attack other deaf people. I feel most deaf people don't
really care about anybody but their own selves.

dreama

I find the response of some people about this VERY REAL condition really upsetting. Like Liza says you have to open your mind a bit more.

I think it must be really hard to have this problem. I don't understand why doctor's can't simply remove their limbs or whatever they want doing. It seems like the most logical thing to be done yet they will make these people suffer instead. This is so wrong.

I would also like to correct a false assumsion about Hypocondia, that it is a mild problem that a person exadurates. My mum suffered a lot from this and was always seeing the doctor for this that and the other so when she had cancer it took a whole year before they would take her seriously. 5 days before she died they were STILL accusing her of exagurating her conditions. According to my dad they said that her being French, she was bound to make a fuss over nothing or words to that affect. So if there was nothing seriously wrong how come she died 5 days later. People don't die when there is nothing really wrong with them. And if you don't believe me about this, she's buried in West thorpe Green burial ground and the name you have to look for is Jaqueline Ryles.

Another point I'd like to make is that them wanting to be disabled isn't exactly taking anything from anyone really. They aren't hurting anybody and the fact they use services for the disabled is a good thing as it is keeping these services a live. Since services tend to close up if not enough people use them so people with BIID should be welcomed with open arms instead of people being so rude and nasty to them.

I wish there were more deafblind wannabies with the cash to buy things like the optiocon or tactaid. Thus keeping these devises alive. As unfortunately they are now extinct due to the number of totally deafblind people being so small.

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jasin

Surely you dont mean the HOH who call themselves deaf are pretenders? I guess this brings up another issue. Some deaf people wont consider you deaf unless you are 100% deaf. The deaf though can be anyone from the hoh and hearing impared to people who have 100% hearing loss.

jasin

I agree with you 100% for saying that.

jasin

The deaf are not the only one's who use interpreters. I have heard of autistic and learning disabled people using them too as their are visual learners and understand asl better because of their disabilities.

We need to remember this, its not just the deaf and hoh who have a right to use an interpreter.

steph9700

I think if you don't really hve the disability you better get over yourself and start acting better. Pretending to be something your not will only cause you more problems. I have mental problems but I don't tell everyone I am a nut case or anything like that, I fight to get better. I am hard of hearing not by choice and don't wish it on anyone. If you fake it then have yourself commited to the looney bin and stay a long time because your obviusly in need of some kind of help. Don't say you are and act like you are something cause you like the attention grow up!

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webexplorer

That's something new to me. Wow. What a complicated social people. It could be next is a monkey with sign language to request for an interpreter. Gee. I doubt it, but I dunno.

jasin

Primates dont know asl some have just been taught some basic signs, thats all. Someone out there wants to use asl to try an prove primates are the same as humans. Its a joke really, a complete joke. I've never seen a primate sign ussing proper asl grammar or classifiers.

InnocentOdion

Could I be called a 'Deaf wannabe'? I'm hard of hearing but my ears constantly hurt from various sounds which I can hear. It's something I've had to put up with since childhood: constant ear pain.

When I was younger I was sensitive to sounds because they would cause a lot of pain. Now I miss many sounds but there are certain ones which really hurt my ears and can continue hurting for a few hours afterwards - I've kind of got sick of the ear pain and people shouting into my bad ear, and people telling me,
"Well, you're not deaf, there's no such thing as hard of hearing, you're just ignoring everyone"

--- and being unable to get any help in my university, and still waiting for hearing aids off the NHS.


So, in a way, I wouldn't mind being Deaf because it would stop the shouting down in my ears. I'm not stupid enough to try and make myself deaf though, nor would I pretend. That's... weird. Bleugh. How the hell do you fake a hearing test?

steph9700

(QUOTE=InnocentOdion;918774 ) Could I be called a 'Deaf wannabe'? I'm hard of hearing but my ears constantly hurt from various sounds which I can hear. It's something I've had to put up with since childhood: constant ear pain.

When I was younger I was sensitive to sounds because they would cause a lot of pain. Now I miss many sounds but there are certain ones which really hurt my ears and can continue hurting for a few hours afterwards - I've kind of got sick of the ear pain and people shouting into my bad ear, and people telling me,
"Well, you're not deaf, there's no such thing as hard of hearing, you're just ignoring everyone"

I get this one all the time, they are wrong, let them hear only 50% of everything and they'll be apoligizing.

--- and being unable to get any help in my university, and still waiting for hearing aids off the NHS.
My parents wouldn't let me get hearing aids cause they said My hearing was good enough without them and low and behold I am 75% deaf!

So, in a way, I wouldn't mind being Deaf because it would stop the shouting down in my ears. I'm not stupid enough to try and make myself deaf though, nor would I pretend. That's... weird. Bleugh. How the hell do you fake a hearing test?what hearing I do have is really sensitive too. I can hear the higher pitches really clear but the bassy stuff is more of a feeling than actually hearing it. YOur right how can you pretend not to hear something when it is about to burst your ear from screeching so loud?

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Hah. I'd totally cuddle any deafblind wannabe. It'd be nice to have more of us around.

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I think we've beat this dead horse enough - it might be time to let this thread die once and for all.

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Chase

To those who joined just to push BIID:

The problem with BIID and most of the other alphabet excuses for behaviors which are eccentric, antisocial, attention-getting, boorish, or tend to waste others’ time and attention is they are only “needs” in the emotional sense.

To compare a “wishful-thinking” disorder with deafness would be insulting if it weren’t so pathetically laughable.

For the most part, they are just quirks that people want to see justified. It’s all part of the new entitlement generation: “I’m special, and I want to do what I want to do without any guilt and without having to earn it.”

I can sympathize only in that I have a few quirks that I would like to see justified by lots of eager women. I think I’m entitled to their attention. I’m also working on four or five initials to call my malady (that doesn’t include the word “pervert”).

Too bad others can’t admit that they are just mainly trying to justify odd desires and behaviors.

dreama

Me too.

Honestly though, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. After all, there is power in numbers. Does it really matter how they became that way?

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Aleser

You may think so... but that does not mean that every single deaf person does. It used to be laughable to even consider educating a deaf person.
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The fact that we are blinded by our need to be the "best" and the most "acceptable" of the deviants does not justify the treatment of others as lesser beings.

So, to the people who joined just to push BIID: Good on you. You're paving the way to your own (and others) respect as human beings, in much the same way others did for us "normal" deaf people.

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Chase

I do think so, and I was very clear about; no "may" was implied. Yes, I know there are deaf people with such self-contempt as to call themselves deviants. But when you say "we," you certainly don't speak for me, nor I doubt the majority of self-respecting deafies.

I don't need to be best at anything. I'm certainly not a deviant because I'm deaf.

Those suffering from selfish desires that they call "needs" are not bad people or lesser beings. It's their lack of self-control and self-respect, coupled with the belief that they have a "right" to invent disabilities and defraud the public by faking them that is terribly wrong, if only because when they are discovered, it makes those with legitimate problems suspect and makes it all the more difficult for them to get reasonable accommodations.

You are entitled to your opinion, misguided as it may be, but those fakers are not entitled to cause the additional problems they cause.

TW9uaWthIFJhbml

I haven't read whole this thread...
I am also a deaf wannabe, I'm not interested in pretending deafness, I need to be completely deaf.
I hate noises people make, I am very aggressive when I hear sounds people make while eating, I hate several voices, breathing, coughing etc....
I have this problem since childhood, cca from the 6-7 years of age, I couldn't sleep, while I heard my sister breathing /we shared one room/, so I used to sleep covering my ears with a pillow. I suppose, that it is some neurological problem or what, that some noises stimulate the part of brain, which si responsible for anger management.
I don't feel comfortable and what is worse, I make people in my nearness also suffer.
So I decided, it would be better, to become deaf, but I have no idea, how to achieve that :buk:
It will be great, when I won't hear nothing, but silence.
I will miss music, though, but it's worth it.