Xero

**** the RIAA.

I just thought I'd let you guys know, for those of you who use p2p programs such as Kazaa Lite and whatnot, the RIAA's (Recording Industry Association of America) stupid threats are actually being acted on.

A friend of mine is being sued for 250,000 dollars. He currently has 15,000 songs downloaded. The RIAA is suing people for 2,000 dolalrs per song. Given that, he should have been sued for 30,000,000 (yes, thirty million) however, there is a legal set limit on how much they can sue for (250k i believe).

In otherwords, if you use file-sharing programs to get free music, be careful. The RIAA is suing around 100 people a day.

Yeah, **** the RIAA.

Deafness

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Freaky

Gawd.. I miss the good ol' days of the LPs.. you, at least, paid for it with your hard-earned cash and listened to it with your friends. You couldn't snatch a song from any LPs... for once.. buy a CD instead of downloading from Kazaa. The hard working entertainers do expect to earn a cent!

Banjo

A Friendly Reminder:

The Law's the Law.

Xero

Freaky --

Funny thing, you know, out of all of that money they're suing people for, I bet you anything the entertainers don't see one cent of it. I'll all go to the lawyers and the RIAA to cover prosecuting costs.

Freaky

Xero.. it is supposed to stop the "el cheapo" downloaders that abuse Kazaa for their purposes. If the RIAA can stop that..they have accomplish their purpose.

DefMATRIXense

I have been hearing about this for several weeks. Kazaalite v2.4.1 program owns RIAA for good lol. because it has a several new features called IP address block not only that has but disable for sharing files too.

a new kazaalite v2.4.1 has been released on july 24, 2003 or somehting like that

http://www.kazaalitekpp.com/


they are ****ing greddies... why in the world are they suing sharing users while they have a thousand of millions dollars in their pockets?

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BabyPhat21

but doesnt some music programs require for you to be a paid member it is not exactly free.......unless you hack into it

Xero

Uhm, well, if the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) is right, and there really are 60 million US people file-sharing, it's going to take a LONG time to get all of them.

Let's suppose the RIAA sues 75 people a day. 60,000,000/75 = 800,000 days to subpoena each person or 800,000 days/365 days in a year = 2191.78 years to subpoena each person

So now lets consider more realistic numbers. The RIAA plans to sue thousands of file sharers. Working in increments of 5000: 5,000 people/75 subpoenas a day = 66 days How are they going to keep track of all these lawsuits going on? 10,000 people/75 subpoenas a day = 133 days or about 2/3 of a year.

Keep in mind suing 10,000 people is still only going to impact only one six thousandth (1/6000) of the file traders out there

Yeah, it'll really affect us all.

GREAT PLAN RIAA!

DefMATRIXense

of course RIAA is easying to track sharing users is IP ADDRESS that comes with music/movie/etc things. For example, I download you for music and got completely with your Ip address. that is how riaa got it. and RIAA won the court that judge ordered Bellsouth, earthlink, and etc companies to get some imformations that match those IP addresses that comes with real names and addresses. that is only way RIAA tracks sharing users

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MilitaryGirl83

They r suing people.. how can the heck people can pay millions of dollars when they dont have it? People who download music on there are not exactly rich.. they would have jobs or live with parents while in h.s. or college. Geez...RIAA sounds like selfish and cares about money!

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DefMATRIXense

RIAA is not going to win all against sharing users.. Some of sharing users wins in court..

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Banjo

Exactly my point!

That's why I made a "friendly reminder" by saying, "The Law's the Law."

People are aware of the copyright laws and it is their duty to respect the other people's properties. But once they download a copyrighted material without paying for it, they are breaking the law.

Break the law, you pay the price.

RIAA isn't being selfish, and music industries are losing billions every year because of the file-sharing programs. I would sue people if they were stealing my copyrighted materials without paying for them.

Do you think a rapist should his sentence reduced by 2 years because he feel he don't deserve a harsh sentence?

If you don't want to get sued for $250,000 then don't download copyrighted materials without paying for them.

Psycrow

Losing billions? Stars going broke?

I haven't seen Fred Durst or Marilyn Manson out on the street with a tin cup lately, so...I call bullshit~

Go watch MTV's Cribs, and you'll understand just how small of an impact file-sharing is really having on the music industry. They're just greedy bastards, they can live without an extra million, seeing as they can and do make OVER that amount with just a few concerts here and there every year.

Banjo

Just because they can live without an extra million does not make it right.

That's not the point.

As far I am concerned, stealing is stealing. There's no right in them.

Bush_in_2004!

matrix sez: "Some of sharing users wins in court.. "

perhaps you'll be kind enough to tell us what argument they'll be using to defend themselves? some of us would like to be prepared.




(Note: even first-year law students will tell you these excuses won't fly: "everybody else does it', the artists are filthy rich", the RIAA is greedy", oops, I accidentally down loaded them")

Bush_in_2004!

crow sez: "Go watch MTV's Cribs, and you'll understand just how small of an impact file-sharing is really having on the music industry. They're just greedy bastards, they can live without an extra million, seeing as they can and do make OVER that amount with just a few concerts here and there every year."

the problem is, records sales have dropped to historic lows (when measured against the total population). hmm . . .

Wolfboy

Jeez that to much. My cousin in LA dl musics from kazaa lite so i gotta warn her. I just buy my own. Dont be cheap ppl.

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DefMATRIXense

One sharing user won in court because he has own 100,000 songs that he paid... he made copying all music and put in sharing folder, in case the original was damaging. Not only that but, people download his music which is he is not do anything wrong. According to copyrights warning, it says use private home only. Let me get some news that sharing users win in court...


I have a great example for you, BLOCKBUSTER stores, every store bought one movie called Matrix VHS, blockbuster has a right making copying matrix for extra tapes so people can rent it. Why did someone sue not blockbuster? Because blockbuster paid it, and has a right to copying, more than one in case the original was damaging. Not only that but the law says sale or rent movie is only private home only. That is why many people started setting a business for video stores I will get copyright warning information

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DefMATRIXense

DVD copyrights
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...-copying_x.htm

Music copyrights
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/175

there are too many sites at yahoo.com about that ralating to this thread.

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Bush_in_2004!

matrix and everybody,

here's an update on the RIAA situation . . .

the RIAA is only suing people who downloaded songs, then allowed people to upload from their computer (ie: through kazaa).

so, if you've only downloaded, you're off the hook (for now!).



(of course, if you PAID for songs and allowed people to upload, then you will have to hire a lawyer to argue your case. I'd be curious to know how much money everybody has put aside for a $200/hr copyright attorney?)

DefMATRIXense

Let me correct your quote "the RIAA is only suing people who downloaded songs, then allowed people to upload from their computer (ie: through kazaa"

correct me if I am wrong, RIAA is only suing sharing users not downloading users"

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Bush_in_2004!

"correct me if I am wrong, RIAA is only suing sharing users not downloading users"

yes, that's right. I read this today as the RIAA tried to explain its action to angry music fans in the press. of course, the RIAA can change its mind tomorrow. But by having said this, it sort of gives the downloaders-only some breathing room.

SilenceGold

Whoa...someone said, "it's the law."

That's so funny....even many of you got so much "misinformation."

Sure the current law is just the same as the old law that banned usage of VCRs to record the shows. Now that law doesn't exist.

The technology is changing. The DMCA (the law that RIAA hides behind) needs some major changes.

Did you know that I'm banned from using any Macromedia programs because of violation of DMCA law? I discovered a huge vulerability in those .swf files. I even notified Macromedia about it and they wanted to know how I did it. I even said, "Either $500,000 or a full time contracted job for at least 3 yrs." They rolled along by having me filling out a personal application which had all my personal information and claimed that it'll be for my job processing. I was excited until two weeks later that I got a letter (yes a threating letter from the damn lawyers) I'm not allowed to discuss about a security flaw in their software until "Flash 6" is released....and if I do so....I would be charged with a DMCA violation. My lawyer had told me that what they did were legal and I would face at least 10 yrs of prison if I break the DMCA law.

Even though, Flash 6 never came out. It had to be named exactly "Flash 6" for it to be legal for me to release this information to security bulletins to pressure Macromedia to release a patch which would have to affect all of the flash player versions (even the current one). The next Flash version is labeled as "Flash MX." I do sometimes wonder if they changed their naming tune because of me (a little guy).

Now with me being silent....all I would have to do is unleash a dangerous .swf on a high popular website to upload a backdoor trojan. Who's fault is that? Me as the small guy or the big guys who used this DMCA law to protect themselves instead of you all citizens. However, I'm not a mean guy. I don't want to face the responsiblity of causing millions of dollars damage. It's not worth it.

That is what RIAA is doing with this DMCA law. What really needs to be changed is this DMCA law. There are so many things that a company can do to use this DMCA law to protect themselves.

Did you know that those small timer music bands cannot sell their cds on either ebay or yahoo? Why? Because RIAA threated Yahoo and Ebay that they would face a multimillionarie lawsuit if they ever allowed sales of "home-made" cds. Most of those small timer music bands use their own computer and their own cd burner to make those "home-made" cds. RIAA created this music monopoly.

I regularly preach about DMCA to as many people as I can so they would know what is REALLY going on....instead of what they are hearing....

Sure, if there are DMCA law changes...those recorders and musicans and all those enterinment people would STILL be paid.

Banjo

YOU'RE BREAKING THE LAW

At the end of the day, when you get right down to it, downloading copyrighted movies off the Internet is illegal. It's against the law. It's stealing.

The Internet is not anonymous.
There is a very good chance you will get caught.
It is not difficult for investigators to trace illegal activity back to your computer through your IP address.

How bad could it be if you get caught?
You could get expelled from school,
Fired from work,
5 years in prison,
and up to $250,000 in fines.

Is it really worth risking that over the cost of a single movie ticket?

www.respectcopyrights.org

kalboy

ever drove above the speed limit? I bet you have.
Downloading and sharing music on the internet? I bet 90% of the internet users are doing that.
RIAA is doing something pretty risky, if they keep suing everybody, very soon people will purpose a new bill and/or change the law that favor their way. This is a democracy, you are living in the USA. Power to the people. If you don't like what the majority are doing, you better learn how to live with it.

Banjo

Kalboy,
[SARCASM]Oh everybody, Kalboy is calling the majority of America a bunch of low-life thieves!

Well, it's true that Americans did steal the land from the Native Americans.

I guess Americans haven't changed at all according to Kalboy.[/SARCASM]

Piracy is a felony, speeding isn't.

Speeding isn't stealing, there's a difference. Heck, they even have a different name for it since it isn't a felony.

Piracy is a serious crime, and it is not taken lightly. You shouldn't too.

Heck, I prefer to pay for what I get since they usually come in the best quality possible in comparison to these crappy movie files on the Internet.

Remember this, as long you download illegally... you're a thief.

Artists are getting ripped off. Even though the money won in the lawsuit may not go to the artists. Justice is still being done because thieves are nothing but a bunch of low-life scumbags.

If you really believe that 90% of the Internet population download illegally.

Please prove it.

If you can't, then your assumption is debunked.

Banjo

I can guarantee you that these people will never be able to get such a bill like that passed. There are already laws to protect the artists' copyrighted properties.

Even though you live in a democracy, but they'll never let such a foolish bill get passed.

If you want the properties, at least pay for them.

DefMATRIXense

Hey guys, let me put this simple way, First, Downloading, and Copying anything is an Illegal unless you own the original software’s, movies, music’s, and etc. that is simple, how hard for u guys to understand? :Cool:

Every day, we take many risks of something I do not know what it is but it is serious crime. Banjo is always right. Please do not doubt him unless get a proof that he is wrong

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Bush_in_2004!

kalboy, just because "everybody else is doing it" doesn't make it right. I bet quite a few of y'all steal from your employer (ever take a pen home?), from the gov't (fudge about your taxes), from retailers (used a product then returned it to a store claimed it "doesn't work"), but if you get caught, tough cookies.

btw, if you do get caught your attorney is going to tell you to NEVER NEVER NEVER say "everybody else is doing it" in court!

LinuxGold

Laws are created to protect us and our investments, and to provide safety for all. We could break the law by speeding; it is a crime -- not a felony or misdeamendor. Speeding limit law was created to protect United States' gas supply from running out because it could increase the gas prices beyond low class' ability to afford them. There are laws against piracy to protect people from losing their investment equally to those low class' ability to afford gas. You create something out of raw materials with hard work, and you expect to acquire something back in return. Taking your product without returning you something renders you incapable to live. "No work, no food" is truest to the every letter. It wouldn't make sense if you worked so hard and unable to eat because someone else is eating the food off your work. Law was made exactly for that reason. RIAA is suing, simply because they are protecting their investment and demanding something in return that was stolen. I couldn't blame them.

I felt sorry for SilenceGold, trying to help them, but in return got sued. I don't understand why hackers got a good paying job when they got out of Federal prison, but instead, sued SilenceGold? What a world that we are living in....