Why do people call America FREE when it's not? - Page 5

**Cheri** · 09-24-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Opal

What's wrong with your Freedom of Speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not freedom of speech to burn American Flags, no one takes the literal to burn American flags just because one hates America, it's more like hate crimes. The First Amendment exists to protect the public good not bad. Hope this clear up.

**Cheri** · 09-24-2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

In my personal, move to Canada will solve on some part of my personal issue, plus deaf lifestyle in Canada is alot different than USA does and not good as in USA.

Eh? Moving to Canada doesn't solved anything, there are pro and cons in every country even Canada. You made it sounds like America is the far worst country of all, which is very untrue.

**Cheri** · 09-24-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Do the people has the right to say no if the cops want to go in to look around your house without court order?

Yes, we do have that right to say no without a court warrant, these rights apply to everyone as a citizen. But, in their car we don't have that right, because if a cop pulled you over for DUI, The officer is allow to search your car for drugs or weapons.

PowerON · 09-24-2007, 10:52 AM

I can't imagine if US don't exist, then we would have NO deaf accessories of everything that would influence to worldwide.

Every country would think being deaf is evil.

09-24-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Maria

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Well, the way I see it - I don't think it is fair for the cops to have MORE freedom by usin' tasers than the American citizens when they have to give in their freedom by violatin' their Bill of Rights. What happened to the Constitution nowdays ? Is the Constitution still good or not anymore ?

Yeah some cops are corrupt but that is everywhere in the world. Not just the USA. And please show me where in the US constitution or bill of rights it says that anyone has the right to dis-obey law enforcement without consequences.

**Foxrac** · 09-24-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Opal

What's wrong with your Freedom of Speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just check Cheri's post for more info.

If you need more info then ask Reba, she's better explain than mine.

09-24-2007, 12:41 PM

here is a link to the text of the constitution and here is a link to the bill of rights. Please show me where citizens are allow to disobey law enforcement officers without consequences.

**Foxrac** · 09-24-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Eh? Moving to Canada doesn't solved anything, there are pro and cons in every country even Canada. You made it sounds like America is the far worst country of all, which is very untrue.

For honest, I don't think that USA is worst country, I'm currently resident of USA and life in USA is alright, there's some issue right now.

Yup, that right about every countries have pros and cons.

In other thought, it's my personal issue, including with homosexual marriage or union (civil unions, domestic partnership) aren't legal in all states, that only we can have limited states to choice and proposed of federal amendment marriage is really scary but failed, other thing about deaf system in Canada isn't good, I have take deaf system as important life than homosexual does.

**Liebling:-)))** · 09-25-2007, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Yes, we do have that right to say no without a court warrant, these rights apply to everyone as a citizen. But, in their car we don't have that right, because if a cop pulled you over for DUI, The officer is allow to search your car for drugs or weapons.

Yes it make sense.

We also have German police to ask us for ID or whatever when they stopped us on the traffic.

Yes, we have to do what the police says if we are on the traffic but the question I ask is about house without court order. It's good to know that the people has the right to say no to police without court order. It's same with here in Germany as well.

**Liebling:-)))** · 09-25-2007, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

I can't imagine if US don't exist, then we would have NO deaf accessories of everything that would influence to worldwide.

Every country would think being deaf is evil.

Can you provide the source that US is first in the world to influence the world about deaf accessories?

We all have cons and pros over deaf accessories in the world.

Example like this:
We get clock alarm, flash lighting, phone lighting, etc from healthcare for gratis which USA doesn't.

US get TTY and VP for gratis which Germany doesn't.

Healthcare cover the cost for interpreter to any doctors and hospitial... Agency for Interpreter company cover the cost for interpreter to any lawyers, etc. which USA doesn't.

US doctors, lawyers, etc cover the interpreter cost for deafies... which German and Europe countries doesn't.

We have choice 50% discount tax on vehicle or 60 EUR per year to use transportation... which US doesn't.

In England, they have weekly deaf allowance, free TTY & VP, free transportation, 24 hours subtitles (CC) etc which Germany, other countries, US doesn't.

TV and radio annual charge for the deaf is free in Germany which England doesn't.

I compared different countries and would say that England is better advantage for the deafies than Germany, America and other countries.

Like what I said before that we always have cons and pros about deafies in the world.

**Liebling:-)))** · 09-25-2007, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

here is a link to the text of the constitution and here is a link to the bill of rights. Please show me where citizens are allow to disobey law enforcement officers without consequences.

Well, but the "fact", you provided are unfortunlately being ignored in real life. I learn a lot from the threads with articles here that some small children were being cuffed by police and treat small children as criminal which is not right...

Hwy99 · 09-25-2007, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

I can't imagine if US don't exist, then we would have NO deaf accessories of everything that would influence to worldwide.

Every country would think being deaf is evil.

Well USA was introduced to the ASL from France in Europe.

America is not free UNLESS we are treat EQUAL.

PowerON · 09-25-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Can you provide the source that US is first in the world to influence the world about deaf accessories?

wow, you sucks....

- Gallaudet University the only deaf university in the world since 1864.
- Robert Weitbrecht from California invent TTY in 1964
- First open captioned commercial television in 1971, ONLY in Boston.
- deaf accept to be in mainstream school in 1975 by law
- ADA introduce for all disability in 1990 while England passed in 1995.
- FCC under ADA required to have CC decoder on at least 13" tv in 1993

**Liebling:-)))** · 09-25-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

wow, you sucks....

wow, it shows yourself is an ignorant and bragger that's because I ask you for source in a simple question. I am not interesting to share my post with anyone like you.

*Excuse me for saying this and walking off...*

PowerON · 09-25-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Well USA was introduced to the ASL from France in Europe.

America is not free UNLESS we are treat EQUAL.

What's your point?
France on slow processing while have ASL and USA pick ASL then jump into advance than you imagine. Why? They decide to have deaf college while France don't!

and what are you talk about?

There is original freedom we still have and never lose.
....Original Ten Amendments!

PowerON · 09-25-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

wow, it shows yourself is an ignorant and bragger that's because I ask you for source in a simple question. I am not interesting to share my post with anyone like you.

*Excuse me for saying this and walking off...*

it's influence.. not better. That's why you got yourself misunderstood when I told in first place!

if it wasn't for US, you Europe won't get TTY.
if it wasn't for US, you won't have subtitle/cc.
if it wasn't for US. blah blah....

**Reba** · 09-25-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes it make sense.

We also have German police to ask us for ID or whatever when they stopped us on the traffic.

Yes, we have to do what the police says if we are on the traffic but the question I ask is about house without court order. It's good to know that the people has the right to say no to police without court order. It's same with here in Germany as well.

There are exceptions for searching a house without a warrant.

If there is reason to believe that a crime or dangerous situation is happening, the police can enter the house without a warrant. For example, if they hear gunshots or screams in the house, or if they chase a suspect from the street into the house.

09-25-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Well, but the "fact", you provided are unfortunlately being ignored in real life. I learn a lot from the threads with articles here that some small children were being cuffed by police and treat small children as criminal which is not right...

Show me please so I can see the same thing you are seeing and make my opinion on it. Thanks!!

Hwy99 · 09-25-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

What's your point?
France on slow processing while have ASL and USA pick ASL then jump into advance than you imagine. Why? They decide to have deaf college while France don't!

and what are you talk about?

There is original freedom we still have and never lose.
....Original Ten Amendments!

Hmm what if that guy, Clerc Laurent, from France didn't come to America, then what will our deaf community be like today?

I recommend to research about Clerc Laurent, he is one of them who invent Gallaudet University.

Who was Laurent Clerc-- the Gallaudet University Laurent Clerc National Deaf Education Center

Also about the Deaf Education in France, I am sure they have wonderful servies for the Deafies there.

Also Gallaudet University is not the only one that are deaf college. Japan have university for the Deafies too.

Ž‹ŠoáŠQŽÒ‚Æ’®ŠoáŠQŽÒ‚Ì‚½‚ß‚Ì‘—§‘åŠw–@lF’}”g‹Z p‘åŠw (In Japanese only, but you can note it is the university site I found from this Links for the deaf)

Also about my "America is not free UNLESS everyone is treated equally", it is just the general post for this thread.

Opal · 09-25-2007, 09:29 AM

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Example like this:
We get clock alarm, flash lighting, phone lighting, etc from healthcare for gratis which USA doesn't.

In Australia - flashing light for the phone, door bell and fire alarm - we pay a little - $50 for it, and the rest is paid by the Government.

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US get TTY and VP for gratis which Germany doesn't.

TTY is free, VP no.

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Healthcare cover the cost for interpreter to any doctors and hospitial... Agency for Interpreter company cover the cost for interpreter to any lawyers, etc. which USA doesn't.

We don't pay interpreter for Doctor, Hospitals, school, police and lecture meetings.

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US doctors, lawyers, etc cover the interpreter cost for deafies... which German and Europe countries doesn't.

I never pay out of my pocket for an Interpreter in Australia.

Interpreter will come but they don't send a bill to Funeral or their Director, just FREE to pay their respect for the deaf mourners.

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We have choice 50% discount tax on vehicle or 60 EUR per year to use transportation... which US doesn't.

No discount for the Deaf here.

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In England, they have weekly deaf allowance, free TTY & VP, free transportation, 24 hours subtitles (CC) etc which Germany, other countries, US doesn't.

Lucky British people to received extra money if they are working full time too, because they pay for their Interpreter out of this allowance money!!! Imagine if they don't hire one for a long spell, they pocket this extra bonus money for free and lovely to save up for their Europe Holiday or buy a villa around Europe as their second Holiday Home!

Free Transport for the Deaf British if they live in London and Manchester only, I don't know if it apply to Birmingham in the Midlands or any other big cities. Nothing for the rural countries residents.

Yes, subtitles is 24 hour showing is because British deaf and Hearing people pay for their TV Licences annually which is not cheap. The deaf are jealous that the Blind people don't pay for the TV licences because they can't see it, (I am not sure if they pay half price for it - I don't care anyway), Deaf people are envious of blind people and they want their TV licence fee reduced to half price and its still on petition in my emails from the British people but I declined to get involved.

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TV and radio annual charge for the deaf is free in Germany which England doesn't.

TV is free to air in Australia, same go with radio too. My TV has far too many ads as there are very few ads showing in England because they listen to the British people to suit their tastes to watch TV, here we have no choices because it is free as I am getting used to it.

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I compared different countries and would say that England is better advantage for the deafies than Germany, America and other countries.

Probably yes. England looks after the Elderly's care very good - much better than in Australia for example, anyone who has illness like Parkinson Disease, Alzheimer etc - their spouse is very well paid by the Government as their "Carer's pay" plus provide a free Mercedes car - changed every two years help your sick spouse to transport for Hospital and Doctors!!

Very very few Deaf people in the UK chose to have this Mercedes car - rather than received deaf allowance money from the Government!! I question my friends about my classmate got a car, they said she is cheating and pretend to be worst off!

PowerON · 09-25-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Hmm what if that guy, Clerc Laurent, from France didn't come to America, then what will our deaf community be like today?

I recommend to research about Clerc Laurent, he is one of them who invent Gallaudet University.

Who was Laurent Clerc-- the Gallaudet University Laurent Clerc National Deaf Education Center

Also about the Deaf Education in France, I am sure they have wonderful servies for the Deafies there.

Also Gallaudet University is not the only one that are deaf college. Japan have university for the Deafies too.

Ž‹ŠoáŠQŽÒ‚Æ’®ŠoáŠQŽÒ‚Ì‚½‚ß‚Ì‘—§‘åŠw–@lF’}”g‹Z p‘åŠw (In Japanese only, but you can note it is the university site I found from this Links for the deaf)

Also about my "America is not free UNLESS everyone is treated equally", it is just the general post for this thread.

Question is... If French man wanted to have deaf college, how coming he didn't launch in French in first place?? Why in US?

My answer simple to answer that France govt refuse provide deaf college and US govt allow! Don't US govt deserver the praise?

And... this Japan still don't have deaf unversity, you may misunderstood it after I found out about University of Tsukuba is just regular like RIT add NTID.

PowerON · 09-25-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Can you provide the source that US is first in the world to influence the world about deaf accessories?

We all have cons and pros over deaf accessories in the world.

yes

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Example like this:
We get clock alarm, flash lighting, phone lighting, etc from healthcare for gratis which USA doesn't.

US get free alarm monitor when own or lease under ADA.

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US get TTY and VP for gratis which Germany doesn't.

and relay online, does England/German have one?

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Healthcare cover the cost for interpreter to any doctors and hospitial... Agency for Interpreter company cover the cost for interpreter to any lawyers, etc. which USA doesn't.

US doctors, lawyers, etc cover the interpreter cost for deafies... which German and Europe countries doesn't.

hmm-mm

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We have choice 50% discount tax on vehicle or 60 EUR per year to use transportation... which US doesn't.

eh? we get discount on transportation.

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In England, they have weekly deaf allowance, free TTY & VP, free transportation, 24 hours subtitles (CC) etc which Germany, other countries, US doesn't.

I don't see England offer free videophone. can you give the source? The only I found that seem it's not FREE videophone at all

Point on that subtitle in England which isn't really design for deaf, in primary which is for learning English.

Hwy99 · 09-25-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Question is... If French man wanted to have deaf college, how coming he didn't launch in French in first place?? Why in US?

My answer simple to answer that France govt refuse provide deaf college and US govt allow! Don't US govt deserver the praise?

And... this Japan still don't have deaf unversity, you may misunderstood it after I found out about University of Tsukuba is just regular like RIT add NTID.

Your answer would be the same as mine, the ignorance against Deaf in Europe in the past, but they are improving for the Deafies alot today. If Laurent did not help USA to have Deaf Education then the rest of the world probably won't know about the education for the Deafies.

About the university in Japan, it proofs that USA is not the only country that put so much of effort on the education for deaf. It's just depends on other countries population and ecomonic that could afford the deaf schools to keep deaf community to be educated. For example, China have very lousy service for the deafies even though it have too high population, it's because of their ecomonic system, that applies to India too. There is alot of rich countries that don't have university for deafies, it's because of their population size. Norway, for example, that country is one of the top best country to live, but lack of service for the deafies due to its own population size are too low.

PowerON · 09-25-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Your answer would be the same as mine, the ignorance against Deaf in Europe in the past, but they are improving for the Deafies alot today. If Laurent did not help USA to have Deaf Education then the rest of the world probably won't know about the education for the Deafies.

It's about freedom that US allow Laurent bring greater deaf education in college level as no world ever have.

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About the university in Japan, it proofs that USA is not the only country that put so much of effort on the education for deaf. It's just depends on other countries population and ecomonic that could afford the deaf schools to keep deaf community to be educated. For example, China have very lousy service for the deafies even though it have too high population, it's because of their ecomonic system, that applies to India too. There is alot of rich countries that don't have university for deafies, it's because of their population size. Norway, for example, that country is one of the top best country to live, but lack of service for the deafies due to its own population size are too low.

You got it MISUNDERSTOOD!!!! Japan university isn't only for deaf. RIT isn't event for deaf only.

Yet, Gally is only true deaf college in the world. do your research. Stop use pot!

Hwy99 · 09-25-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

It's about freedom that US allow Laurent bring greater deaf education in college level as no world ever have.

Well having a deaf college does not always mean that USA have very good education for the deafies. Japan DID set up their own first deaf school in Kyoto during about 1810ish.

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You got it MISUNDERSTOOD!!!! Japan university isn't only for deaf. RIT isn't event for deaf only.

Yet, Gally is only true deaf college in the world. do your research. Stop use pot!

Wow, ignorant attitude against me? Well. You got misunderstood ME!!!! I mean that USA is not only the country that put in effort for the deaf education according to my stats about Japan's Deaf Education system.

Use your common sense! And what's more, I don't pot for like 2 months now

and it ain't your business so quit nagging.

PowerON · 09-25-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Well having a deaf college does not always mean that USA have very good education for the deafies. Japan DID set up their own first deaf school in Kyoto during about 1810ish.

What the heck? It said founded in 1878.
Translated version of http://www.kyoto-be.ne.jp/rou-s/gindex.html

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Wow, ignorant attitude against me? Well. You got misunderstood ME!!!! I mean that USA is not only the country that put in effort for the deaf education according to my stats about Japan's Deaf Education system.

Wait.. I thought you talk about France who launch first deaf education?

Hwy99 · 09-25-2007, 09:53 PM

[QUOTE=PowerON;842830]What the heck? It said founded in 1878.
Translated version of http://www.kyoto-be.ne.jp/rou-s/gindex.html

So USA is not the only one that haven't set up the deaf education till 1800's uh?

I guess I made my mistake.

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Wait.. I thought you talk about France who launch first deaf education?

Yeah France do, at 1760's (Timeline), but what I mean is that there is alot of other countries that put effort for the Deaf Education too, it's not just only USA.

**Liebling:-)))** · 09-26-2007, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Well USA was introduced to the ASL from France in Europe.

America is not free UNLESS we are treat EQUAL.

Exactly

**Liebling:-)))** · 09-26-2007, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

it's influence.. not better. That's why you got yourself misunderstood when I told in first place!

if it wasn't for US, you Europe won't get TTY.
if it wasn't for US, you won't have subtitle/cc.
if it wasn't for US. blah blah....

Misunderstood? Is it misunderstand when I ask you a simple question for source because you claimed on your own word "I can't imagine if US don't exist, then we would have NO deaf accessories of everything that would influence to worldwide." and then share my post over cons and pros about deaf rights in the world. Who misunderstood? *scratch my head*

Here is the link of Disability History
Disability Rights History

Read through carefully
Enjoy

**Liebling:-)))** · 09-26-2007, 02:03 AM

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We don't pay interpreter for Doctor, Hospitals, school, police and lecture meetings.

Yeah, it's same here in Germany... We don't pay interpreter for doctor, hospitail, police, lecture meeting, parental meetings, lawyers, courts etc out of our pocket. It's Healthcare and Government pays.

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I never pay out of my pocket for an Interpreter in Australia.

Yes, me too.

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Interpreter will come but they don't send a bill to Funeral or their Director, just FREE to pay their respect for the deaf mourners.

We do not need interpreter at funeral because we have priest for the deaf.

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Lucky British people to received extra money if they are working full time too, because they pay for their Interpreter out of this allowance money!!!

*nodding agreement* but my British friends told me that they do not need to pay Interpreter out of their allowance money for some reasons. wow...

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Imagine if they don't hire one for a long spell, they pocket this extra bonus money for free and lovely to save up for their Europe Holiday or buy a villa around Europe as their second Holiday Home!

Exactly! Thanks deaf allowance, they can acheive their life.

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Free Transport for the Deaf British if they live in London and Manchester only, I don't know if it apply to Birmingham in the Midlands or any other big cities. Nothing for the rural countries residents.

I only know that free transport for the deaf is in London, not outside of London. Manchester? I didn't know that Manchester also have the same as London as well. Let Dreama answer on our posts because she lives in Birmingham, England.

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Yes, subtitles is 24 hour showing is because British deaf and Hearing people pay for their TV Licences annually which is not cheap.

Remember, we still pay TV licences equal as hearing that's time we don't have subtitles much at years ago. That's why deaf protest their rights to have 24 hours subtitles because they pay TV licence.

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The deaf are jealous that the Blind people don't pay for the TV licences because they can't see it, (I am not sure if they pay half price for it - I don't care anyway), Deaf people are envious of blind people and they want their TV licence fee reduced to half price and its still on petition in my emails from the British people but I declined to get involved.

wow, it shows that British deaf are still not satisfed, don't they? They should compare their country with other countries like our countries... I am willing to pay TV liecene fee if there're 24 hours subtitles but some of my deaf friends disagree with me on this and explain why.... I has to give them right... many hearing disability people have the same rights as deaf is get TV licence and radio free which we disagree to because they CAN hear... Deaf fight for rights and want to get 24 hours subtitles and some change in disability rights that hearing and deaf should not have same rights.

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TV is free to air in Australia, same go with radio too. My TV has far too many ads as there are very few ads showing in England because they listen to the British people to suit their tastes to watch TV, here we have no choices because it is free as I am getting used to it.

True, same here in Germany as well. I has to honset with you that I am not TV freak... I think 5 or 6 subtitles a day is enough. (I mean movies and series)... Full subtitles on world news and news... Sometimes I am bit disappointed that there're no subtitles on some series, I wish to see ... example "surivor"...

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Probably yes. England looks after the Elderly's care very good - much better than in Australia for example, anyone who has illness like Parkinson Disease, Alzheimer etc - their spouse is very well paid by the Government as their "Carer's pay" plus provide a free Mercedes car - changed every two years help your sick spouse to transport for Hospital and Doctors!!

Yes, I know but Dreama negative about disability older care in her previous post here...

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Very very few Deaf people in the UK chose to have this Mercedes car - rather than received deaf allowance money from the Government!! I question my friends about my classmate got a car, they said she is cheating and pretend to be worst off!

wow!

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rockdrummer Guest Posts: n/a	here is a link to the text of the constitution and here is a link to the bill of rights. Please show me where citizens are allow to disobey law enforcement officers without consequences.