Gamer12

there was another story from the other side --

Patricia Winkler took the stand Monday in a crowded courtroom. When the prosecutor asked the girl to state her name and birthdate, she looked over at her mother, Mary Winkler, and began sobbing.

Patricia testified he was a good father and she never saw him mistreat her mother. Later, under questioning from a defense attorney, the girl burst into tears after trying to explain why — after one visit — she stopped seeing her mother following Mary Winkler's release from jail.

"Because I didn't want to see her," Patricia said. After a long pause she added, "Well, I mean, I still love her," and started crying again, burying her face in her hands. Mary Winkler and several members of the jury also wept.

Defense attorney Steve Farese went to the witness stand to comfort Patricia and didn't ask any more questions.

someone here has enough guts to say that mary's daughter, patricia was lying about her father? i believe her more than i would believe mary winkler's story. there was other interesting story that had developed in the same article --

Last week, prosecutors played an audiotape in which Mary Winkler acknowledges shooting her husband, telling investigators her "ugly came out." But Mary Winkler also told an Alabama Bureau of Investigation agent on the tape that her husband had threatened her.

Brandy Jones, who described Mary Winkler as her best friend, said Monday she never saw any evidence of physical or emotional abuse. She had dinner with the Winklers a month before Matthew was shot, and the couple seemed happy, Jones said.

"She did state she was happier than she had ever been, and that they would never leave west Tennessee," Jones testified.

Earlier Monday, a forensic pathologist testified that Matthew Winkler was killed by a shotgun blast in the middle of his back; 77 pellets were removed from his body

The defense has said Mary Winkler, 33, intended to hold her husband at gunpoint only to force him to talk about his personal problems after a situation involving their 1-year-old daughter, Breanna. The defense did not describe the situation.

hold the preacher at gunpoint to force him to discuss about his personal problems? and the shotgun went off by itself. oh sure. we can always blame on an invisible "not me" gremlin* if anything happens. there was another delightful tidbit about mary winkler from the same article --

The prosecution has said the Winklers were in financial trouble and that bank managers were closing in on a check-kiting scheme that Mary Winkler wanted to conceal from her husband.

but, but the shotgun went off by itself! it's a valid excuse.

i was going to agree with you until i read the article i linked to. i can't buy mary winkler's story. i just can't. i'm not saying that the preacher is innocent. but what mary did to her husband is just plain murder and we all know it.


* family circus reference

p.s. i agree with trudy schuett on this case.

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Gamer12

more about check-kiting scheme --

According to CNN, before Mary Winkler killed her husband Matthew she "told Tennessee authorities about losing $17,000 in what investigators have described as a 'Nigerian 419' check-kiting scam." Matthew was unaware of it, and the day he was killed they had an appointment with one of the banks. At this meeting Matthew would have been made aware of her actions. Mary was nervous about being discovered, and chose to murder her husband instead.

i think the theory makes more sense than mary winkler's story's.

BeachBlue

SELMER, Tenn. — A preacher's wife testified at her murder trial Wednesday that her husband abused her physically and sexually, but she said the shotgun fired accidentally as she pointed it at him in their parsonage bedroom.

Mary Winkler heard a "boom" but said she did not pull the trigger, prompting prosecutor Walt Freeland to ask her later whether she understood how a trigger worked.

"You know that pulling a trigger is what makes it go boom?" Freeland asked on the final day of testimony.

"Yes, sir," Mary Winkler replied. She said she remembered holding the gun but not getting it from the closet.

She said that she just wanted to talk to her husband, Matthew, when she went into their bedroom that day in March 2006, but that she was too terrified. "He just could be so mean," she said.

But, she told Freeland, her husband did "nothing" for which he deserved to die.

Her depiction of her marriage contrasts radically with the description by the prosecution, whose witnesses described Matthew Winkler as a good father and husband. The couple's 9-year-old daughter, Patricia, testified that she had a good father and that she never saw him mistreat her mother.

Matthew Winkler, 31, was fatally shot in his back. A day later, his wife was arrested 340 miles away on the Alabama coast, driving the family minivan with her three young daughters inside.

Mary Winkler said she planned to return to Selmer but wanted time alone with her daughters. "All I knew was that the stupid gun had went off, and nobody would believe me and they would just take my girls away from me," she said.
On the witness stand: Mary Winkler says gun fired accidentally, gives tales of abuse

Gamer12

how does it go off by itself? can someone please answer this question i've posted repeatedly? weapon 101 -- the trigger has been fully squeezed to fire.

jillio

Simply because the child never saw the abuse does not mean that it didn't occur. And you need to keep in mind, as well, that this child has been traumatised by the whole course of events. She is no doubt conflicted in her feelings toward both of her parents.

And I am in no way saying that Mary's solution was right. I'm simply saying that there are mitigating circumstances. As a professional counselor, I tend to look at mental status and circumstances when making ajudgement regarding someone's actions. To be able to understand their frame of mind doesn't justify the action, but it does give you an understanding of why they have behaved in a certain way. Oh, and thanks for the link!

jillio

Accidental shootings happen all the time. A better question would be, "What the hell were they doing with a loaded gun in the house with 2 small children in a place as easily accessible as a closet?"

BeachBlue

3 small children.

BeachBlue

ask Cheney.

jillio

Oops..my bad.

jillio

Gamer12

Accidental shootings happen all the time.

i simply cannot take your word for it.

A better question would be, "What the hell were they doing with a loaded gun in the house with 2 small children in a place as easily accessible as a closet?"

now that's another good question.

Gamer12

even as a republican, i find it funny. your sense of humor is worthy noted.

Gamer12

to everyone, for your information, beachblue is deafilmedia.

jillio

You don't have to take my word for it. Just read the newspaper.

ZiNg31

I remember my former temp girlfriend she got married and this man abuses her... my friends told me they witnessed it. She suffered and stayed with him and had 3 children. My former friend tried to take her away from him and he successed... but somehow she came back to her abuser husband on her own. Her husband was not doing anything while she left him but to cry and a heart broken after losing a woman. This is the problem with women sticking and stay with husbands. On TV Robin Givins had talked about women has problems staying with abuser boyfriend/husband. Like she did with Mike Tyson. She left Tyson and few years later Tyson feel bad and said sorry to her. Robin said she forgave him. She understand that some people have stresses problems and had bad past experiences which caused abuser doing this. My former friend abuses people and then he grew older and changed himself and became christain. He realized he made mistake and ask god to forgives him. So This Rev should had get a lesson taught by his wife but never did because she killed him. Killing will not teach them at all. So Be away and hide away is only way to goes and the abusive husbands will calm down in future and could have new life changed in him.

ZiNg31

That is what this wife should had done! But still have court order to get the man help.

jillio

It is very difficult to have the court order somemone into therapy, especially in a domestic situation. The person first has to be declared incompetent tocare for themselves to get a comittment. The best that could have happened was that she charged him with assault, and he would get ordered to anger management classes. That would still leave the abuser out there on the street to continue the abuse.

I already explained the difficulty with her going to a shelter. I'm not saying that what she did was right, but I am saying that actions such as this are inderstandable when you look at the mental state of a woman who has been abused for years.

Dark-Half

I think she should serve a sentence. People shouldn't be allowed to use things like mental and verbal abuse as a crutch or excuse to murder. What about coloumbine? The kids were verbally abused and worse, those of you who support the wife, well do you support the kids blasting their school mates for that reason? Hm?

jillio

Its not a matter of accepting it as an excuse, or as a proclamation that the behavior was acceptable. It is seeing a mitigating circumstance that created a behavior that would not become manifest without the circumstance.

dreama

It's wrong to kill.

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jillio

And I completely agree with you.

Lavender

yes but do u rather die first before scott peterson? If I were her I wouldn't dare like her.

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ZiNg31

Excalty!

jillio

I don't think any one has said that killing is not wrong.

RedheadGrrl

No one will believe in her! They will believe in Preacher's words over her. She was doing for her own sake!! Self-Defense!!!