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Old 08-17-2007, 05:55 PM   #31 (permalink)
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But, in the end, her ex-husband is the one who had the last laugh (at her, no less) by getting a contract to star in x-rated movies. He's a jerk for doing that AND for assaulting his wife.



If child protection and the dead husband's family have a say, she won't. I hope she gets full custody and zero visitation rights to his family.
They were still married when he did that?

I don't think she should get full custody, maybe temporarily custody.
Cause I think she should be punish.
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:56 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Both of them need to grow up and be adults. No need to be jerk or bitch.
i concur. but sorry to say -- it didn't work out that way in this reality.
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[color="Blue"]i had asked many women the same unanswerable question -- why do they stay with men who treated them less than human. furthermore, they would go for same type after breaking up with or divorcing their old boyfriends and husbands.
Two reasons, actually. Neither are unanswerable, as a woman would never answer these questions quite this bluntly. You ready? Here they are:

1. I can't leave him because I just gotta have my sex!

2. I feel I deserve to be put down and not treated like a human.

To the women here: Proove me wrong.
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:57 PM   #34 (permalink)
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http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/ncfv-cniv...andenglish.pdf
This is a link to a PDF file related to wife-to-husband abuse. I think this happens alot more than what it reported because men have to live with the shame of being 'weaker' than his wife... but despite whose doling out the abuse, it is still wrong, and it is still painful for everyone involved including children who have to witness it.
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:05 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Two reasons, actually. Neither are unanswerable, as a woman would never answer these questions quite this bluntly. You ready? Here they are:

1. I can't leave him because I just gotta have my sex!

2. I feel I deserve to be put down and not treated like a human.

To the women here: Proove me wrong.
Alrighty PEte I'll prove ya wrong. My ex-verbally abused me, constantly put me down and degraded me. Then lied about his whereabouts and had affairs. After I busted his ass and caught him in his tracks, I kicked his ass to the curb. There is only so much I am willing tolerate. I did not want to raise my DD in that type of home, it wasnt fair to her or me. Also for the record, he did hit me once in which case I hauled off and kicked him right square in the nuts. He didnt lay a finger on me after that incident although the verbal stuff did continue after that point. I think he was afraid that he might get hit if he hit me. But I cut my losses and I am much better off without him. Its ben four years and after that bad marriage, Ive realized I am much happier being single and having my own space to make my own decisions for whatever reason I choose to.
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:07 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Which mean you knew she was bad, but you chose to be with her anyway.

so you were saying that it was mary winkler's fault for choosing to be married to an abusive preacher?

YES

We all seen signs and ignore them.... why stay with that person
if that person treat you bad?


i had asked many women the same unanswerable question -- why do they stay with men who treated them less than human. furthermore, they would go for same type after breaking up with or divorcing their old boyfriends and husbands. my former professor of sociology had divulged that the majority of sociologists has been baffled by these women's cyclic behavior for many years. no one is able to answer their behavioristic pattern. maybe they're conditioned by their dysfunction families.

unanswerable? We all know the answer. They are STUPID. How can they answer this question.. cause they are too stupid to answer.


men had been jailed for many years for much less violent nature than this crime mary winkler commited. o.j. simspon got away only because he was rich and famous. many rich and famous people got away with crimes they commited.

show me proof that men killed their wives for abusing them... self defense....
that they served in prison for many years....

Many men are in prison for killing their wives for NO REASON.

I don't see where a man killed his wife cause his wife abused him all the time... you got any article?

well?
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:11 PM   #37 (permalink)
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i concur. but sorry to say -- it didn't work out that way in this reality.
It can. If you don't play game... then your lover won't
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:14 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Alrighty PEte I'll prove ya wrong. My ex-verbally abused me, constantly put me down and degraded me. Then lied about his whereabouts and had affairs. After I busted his ass and caught him in his tracks, I kicked his ass to the curb. There is only so much I am willing tolerate. I did not want to raise my DD in that type of home, it wasnt fair to her or me. Also for the record, he did hit me once in which case I hauled off and kicked him right square in the nuts. He didnt lay a finger on me after that incident although the verbal stuff did continue after that point. I think he was afraid that he might get hit if he hit me. But I cut my losses and I am much better off without him. Its ben four years and after that bad marriage, Ive realized I am much happier being single and having my own space to make my own decisions for whatever reason I choose to.
I thought you are a man...

I don't know.
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:14 PM   #39 (permalink)
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http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/ncfv-cniv...andenglish.pdf
This is a link to a PDF file related to wife-to-husband abuse. I think this happens alot more than what it reported because men have to live with the shame of being 'weaker' than his wife... but despite whose doling out the abuse, it is still wrong, and it is still painful for everyone involved including children who have to witness it.
the document is engrossing. you have my gracious thanks for the link. i want to cite some from the document you posted --

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Women admitted behaviour such as throwing things, pushing and shoving, or hitting with an object, to a slightly greater degree and more often than men. In almost half of the couples, the partner returned violent behaviour. However, in 12% of the cases, women admitted being the sole aggressor. The men were not violent in return. The rates of using severely violent behaviour during the previous year showed a similar pattern: about 4.6% of women admitted using such tactics as threatening to use or using a gun or a knife, compared to 4.4% of men.

Those who argue that husband abuse is a widespread and significant social issue cite these and similar community surveys in which both women and men admit using physically aggressive behaviours against their partners. On this basis, they argue that women are equally as physically and psychologically abusive as men.
it's true. i was in the group who had been abused emotionally, verbally and psychologically-wise by my ex-girlfriend. i wouldn't dare to share with my friends or relatives about it because it was a shame to start with. dixie is correct in her observation.
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I thought you are a man...

I don't know.
PSSST Im a SHE.
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the document is engrossing. you have my gracious thanks for the link. i want to cite some from the document you posted --



it's true. i was in the group who had abused emotionally, verbally and psychologically-wise by my ex-girlfriend. i wouldn't dare to share with my friends or relatives about it because it was a shame to start with. dixie is correct in her observation.
No problem man. Just stating some facts.
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:22 PM   #42 (permalink)
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It can. If you don't play game... then your lover won't
if i don't play game, i wouldn't have her. she played the game so i played along with her. if i don't play game, i wouldn't have her.
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if i don't play game, i wouldn't have her. she played the game so i played along with her. if i don't play game, i wouldn't have her.

Then fine, why are you complaining?

Why can't you find a girl you don't have to play game.
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:29 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Two reasons, actually. Neither are unanswerable, as a woman would never answer these questions quite this bluntly. You ready? Here they are:

1. I can't leave him because I just gotta have my sex!

2. I feel I deserve to be put down and not treated like a human.

To the women here: Proove me wrong.
i'm not sure about the first one but the second one, i've heard it before. in books, news and interviews, they had mentioned it to counseling psychologists. it's really quite a sad state of affair.
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:41 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Two reasons, actually. Neither are unanswerable, as a woman would never answer these questions quite this bluntly. You ready? Here they are:

1. I can't leave him because I just gotta have my sex!

2. I feel I deserve to be put down and not treated like a human.

To the women here: Proove me wrong.
That is because their MEN mentally abuse them and told them to think
that way. So now WOMEN who had been in the Abused relationship
are saying they stayed with him because they were STUPID!!!!
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:42 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Then fine, why are you complaining?

Why can't you find a girl you don't have to play game.
complaining? me? are we in the hollywood movie? if not, and then the game is here to stay. to win women or men's hearts, we all have to play along with their games. the fact is right now if i don't want to play game, and then i'll have to wait until i'm 35 years old and older to date same-age women who outgrow the game.

the facts i disclosed with a "matter of the fact" tone i used in my posts. complaining is not my bag really.
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:47 PM   #47 (permalink)
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That is because their MEN mentally abuse them and told them to think
that way. So now WOMEN who had been in the Abused relationship
are saying they stayed with him because they were STUPID!!!!
the same old "blame men" shit. yeah everything is our fault. when a dog poops in your front yard, it's men's fault! when you get sick from eating a lot of candies, it's men's fault!
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:53 PM   #48 (permalink)
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complaining? me? are we in the hollywood movie? if not, and then the game is here to stay. to win women or men's hearts, we all have to play along with their games. the fact is right now if i don't want to play game, and then i'll have to wait until i'm 35 years old and older to date same-age women who outgrow the game.

the facts i disclosed with a "matter of the fact" tone i used in my posts. complaining is not my bag really.
I don't know. I don't know this game. What are you talking about?
GAME? I never had a boyfriend, so I don't know.

Can you give me some sample? about 10 samples, maybe I can learn something.
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Old 08-17-2007, 07:05 PM   #49 (permalink)
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i'm sorry but we have to stop de-railing this thread. i don't want to get this thread locked on my account. if you want to discuss this further with me about game, make a new thread in proper forum.
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the same old "blame men" shit. yeah everything is our fault. when a dog poops in your front yard, it's men's fault! when you get sick from eating a lot of candies, it's men's fault!
Depend on who own the dog. I hope whoever own that DOG better pick up
the poop!!!!!!!!!!!

Depend on who gave me those candies or who made those candies so delicious.
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i'm sorry but we have to stop de-railing this thread. i don't want to get this thread locked on my account. if you want to discuss this further with me about game, make a new thread in proper forum.
Yeah it is all your FAULT!!!!!!
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Old 08-17-2007, 11:41 PM   #52 (permalink)
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There's two sides of the story, the only people knows the truth is between the two people either killed or alive...
Children know too....

But nobody believe them anyway.

I would ask those children how their father treated their mother...
if they ever saw them argue or hit or what?
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Old 08-18-2007, 01:39 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Well that is MEN fault.... yall reap what yall sow...

Nobody did anything to help that poor lady who was burn all over her body...
The JUDGE said NO, she didn't need a protection from her husband.

I'll show you her picture... Yvette Cade.



You men need to tell each other to stop abusing women and
and be a better husband to wives. You men don't have good
reputation. Seem like most men even gay men are women haters.
Even that Scott Peterson killed his wife and unborn baby and
tried to kill his mistress to shut her up.


Then I read about this man threw his sick wife off the balcony cause
he is tired of taking care of her....
Man Allegedly Throws Wife From Balcony - AOL News

I know there are some men or few good men who are wonderful husband...
but those guys need to stand up, let everybody know that.

So maybe Mary was fearful of her life, I don't know.
Women abuse men too and kill men as well. Not only men does this. And dont show any photo like this because it make me upset seeing this photo. I have problem with this sort of thing seeing rotten photos and it gives me 3 night straigth nightmares. This photo need to be removed. Mods please remove this photo Deafilmedia submited.
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Old 08-18-2007, 02:06 PM   #55 (permalink)
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So it sounds like you think killing somebody is right thing to do with a good reasons. I believe murdeering human is very bad period no matter what reasons.
And so is continual abuse at the hands of a husband. His abuse of her created the situation that led to his murder. That doesn't mean it was the "right thing" to do, but it obviously was the only option she saw that was available to her to stop the abusive treatment.
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