dreama

That's only your interpretation of the bible. Some veggie/vegan christians have found a quote which says that god only permitted us to eat seeds and plant food. I can't argue as I'm not a christian myself it's just what I've read. But I can find a link for you if you like.

Well it's how some corpse eaters justify their habits.


I'm sure they would if they could.



I can't speak for ALL animals but pigs know when the farmer means to kill them. They go hysterical even before the killing starts. There has even been a case of a couple of pigs doing a runner. Having 'pet' animals myself I'm aware how they seem to Know when things are going to happen. For example I had an exceptionally intelligent rat called Dangerous Beans who just so happened to hate going to the vet. She had this really uncanny way of knowing when it was about to happen and making herself scarce so I had to keep her caged the day before.

Well it would be less cruel. However that's never how it happens. If they are 'lucky' they are killed well before old age for their beef. However dairy cows have an even harder life. They are crammed into sheds, artificially insaminated then the baby gets taken away as soon as they are born which the cow is very upset about. They are also pumped with hormones and antibiotics. They also have feet problems because they are expected to yeild an unneccesary amount of milk. Then there are the male baby who often get crammed into veal crates and not fed properly or able to move much just so people can eat veal.

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Audiofuzzy

you forgot to mention - also simply unedible...


I am not defending cruel treating of animals, whether pets or for food.
ALL animals should be treated with compassion and dignity, and the killing should be as humane and painless as possible.
But humans are meat-eaters, and that's it.


Fuzzy

dreama

Not neccessarily. Humans are omnivores which means they can surve on either a meat based diet or a plant based diet. Particularly now there is a greater variety of suplimented vegan foods (for things like B12) available so nobody needs to eat meat.

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Audiofuzzy

That is not quite what OMNIVORES mean.
It is not a case of "either, or" but omnivores actually need to eat both meat and plant to be healthy.

A bear is an omnivore. Dog is an omnivore.
But a bear or a dog would get sick if it eat only plants.

Fuzzy

webexplorer

Dogs do eat some grass for their diet. Didn't you notice them once a while?

Liebling:-)))

Yes, cats also, too.

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Fuzzy said:

"A bear is an omnivore. Dog is an omnivore.
But a bear or a dog would get sick if it eat only plants."

Dogs can eat greens but they also eat meat. Dogs don't eat "only" plants. That is, they are not naturally vegetarians.

webexplorer

Oops! Yes the dogs shouldn't eat plants. I was thinking of grass as a plant.
My sister has a dog, and he is a vegetarian. He loves it. I am surprised about that. They come to my house, and I fed him with meat that she doesn't aware of it. My two dogs eat meats.

Reba

Grass is a plant. Dogs can eat plants and grass. They just don't normally eat them as their main diet. Usually it's just an "extra" for them.

Of course, grass with another animal's poop on it is even more tasty to them.

Some dogs also enjoy snacking out of the cat's litter box.

Tousi

[quote=Reba;808286]Grass is a plant. Dogs can eat plants and grass. They just don't normally eat them as their main diet. Usually it's just an "extra" for them.

Yup, gotta have that chlorophyll......

Mistyrose

There's another reason why dogs and cats eat
grass once in awhile....its their "laxative"
believe it or not!!
Thats what ive been told, heh!!

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webexplorer

I bet that the grass and the other animal's poop are their favorite dessert. Gross. Oh no, the litter box. Oh brother! Actually, my dogs love to find the horse manure on the horse field. Sigh, they are my children.

Audiofuzzy

I am not sure why you are telling me that,

but yes of course I know dogs and cats like to eat grass. Grass is plant.
But I already said that dogs eat some plants.
They also eat some vegetables.

But they are also meateaters and without meat they would not survive.

Fuzzy

Reba

PuyoPiyo

Well there is lot of numberous of animals that are vegetarian (or should I say vegan?), like Horses, Cows, Guinea Pigs, Rabbits, etc.

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Audiofuzzy

Yes of course,
there is also a lot of animals that are predators who eat meat...

I am not sure what your point is?

Fuzzy

PuyoPiyo

My point is that the vegetarian lifestyle do exist. And they also can hurt other living objects as self-defense. I see that more wise

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I am still not sure what you mean by that byt I'll try to comment on.

I don't see why would that be some kind of proof that vegetarianism exist, because I never said I don't believe in it.

Nature in it's wisdom created the perfect life chain where everything depends on everything else.
Plant eaters is mostly meat eaters food. Between the two, every living species got very detailed role to do in the enviroment.
All of it exists in perfect harmony.
If the harmony is disturbed, the problems arise.

Suppose all the meat eaters disappear, what do you think would happen?

Fuzzy

PuyoPiyo

Well this is a World Slaughter House, we welcome the off-topic here.

Anyway

If there is no meat eaters around the world, then I believe it will be very peacefully than it look right now.

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Reba

The planet would be overrun by rabbits, prairie dogs, and all other carnivore food sources. They in turn, would gobble up all the vegetation, so there wouldn't be enough left for humans to eat.

There will be a time when the lion lies with the lamb but that is not here and now.

PuyoPiyo

True, but what if we, the humans, no longer a meat eaters as nature?

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Reba

Do you mean if all people in the world quite eating meat tomorrow?

What would we do with all the cattle, pigs, sheep, chickens, turkeys that are on farms and ranches? Let all the animals go wild? How would they survive? Would there immediately be enough grain, fruit, and vegetables for all people to eat?

India is 40% vegetarian. (Actually, 31% vegetarian, and the other 9% are vegetarian plus egg eaters.) How's that example?

PuyoPiyo

Yeah we will let them go wild. I see your point, it seems that we will not live without the meat eaters. So I assume that the meat eaters do control the animals population?

Yea I know India have big vegetarian population, but not everyone there are vegetarian, they have to eat the meat because there is not enough vegetable or fruits to produce for everyone there.

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not only that - when the animals run out of plant food they will start dying of starvation. Thye'll get sick from undernourishment.
They will fiercely fight amongst each other for survival. it will be anything but peaceful.
that all in turn will leave sick, contagious animals and decaying corpses spreading all kinds of germs and diseases.

eventually we will share the same fate.
the soil on the earth will be exploited beyond reason, and we will run out of space for farming, too.
the crops will be fewer, smaller, of poorer quality, more prone to all kind of plant diseases.

The amount of vitamins, proteins etc in an individual plant will be much less than it's needed to be nutritious.
Think of it as of powdered milk.
To achieve right amount of nutrition -or in other words the value of regular milk- you need the right proportion. For example no less than 1/4 cup of milk powder dissolved in 1 cup of water.
You can dissolve one spoon of milk powder to make more cups of milk but it will be to weak to be of any nutrition.
Same with veggies - you wouldn't see it but the veggies would be worthless.

So we will start dying of starvation and diseases.

So, as you see meat eating is something that nature invented to run it's wheel smoothly.
The true issue of meat eating is how we treat the animals we eat. And how we kill them.
We should treat them with love, respect, and kill quickly and painlessly.

BC Native Indians when they kill a deer they pray to the killed deer apologizing for taking it's life and thanking him for the food it provides to others.



Fuzzy

Audiofuzzy

may I point out India is still considered as one of the poorer countries in the world. they have many many MANY people who live in extreme poverty, and those people can barely afford any food, so they cultivate what is cheapest.

It is not uncommon for those poverty stricken people to live with only one kindey. they sold the other one to survive.
usually to paid off the debts they made to buy food for their families.


Fuzzy

dreama

Actually the reverse is the case. It takes far LESS vegitable matter to feed people via a vegan diet then a omnivore one. Animals do have to eat. At the moment we have far too many farm animals and many rainforests are being destroyed to create food for them to eat.

If everyone went vegan then we would have a much healthier planet and LESS world hunger. Not more.

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