World Slaughter House - Page 2

TFWFalcon · 06-14-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

I have no idea about what happen right now...

Around 10ish years ago DNR arrest all guys for illegal porch. During fall hunter deer season limit hunter get one license for one deer. They shots 14 deers. This picture show in public then somehow DNR officer notice picture show too many deers. So they set up undercover agent question guy. End up busted all guys. One guy admit that they doing been over three years but won't admit how many count kill deers. All guys went to country jail for 7 years, fined 15,000 dollars each guys and banned hunt for 15 years with both small and big game. This guys is stupid which show pictures. (big mistake move). If they didn't show pictures and put internet online then will never happen to make arrest those guys. LOL

Reba · 06-14-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Defee

Yes, he has to register with New York state to get license to hunt
and fish, its the law.
No, he does not have membership to any hunting club, its not required.
But he is looking to join a Gun club, for shooting practice purposes and
and all.
Umm, he dont have to have license to butcher his own deer, really. He
rather take the deer to the butcher shop and have it processed.

That's pretty much the same here in South Carolina.

Hunting and fishing requires a license, has to be in season, in the allowed areas, and within catch limits.

Hunters aren't required to join hunt clubs but many people do because they prefer the benefits of the club, and for access to the private areas.

Some hunters do their own processing, especially for small game, but most take their game to professional processors. They make it into steaks, stew meat, ground meat, sausage, and jerky. Sometimes people give us game meat, and Hubby likes to make jerky in his own dehydrator.

Reba · 06-14-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian

I have never heard of one having to be licensed to butcher animals like that. ...

I don't think a license is required if you are processing game animals for your own personal use. You need a license if you process meat for commercial use, for sale to other people.

Reba · 06-14-2007, 11:14 AM

Some people save the bones to make soup stock. That is very environmentally friendly, and tasty.

Foxrac · 06-14-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

You can buy game meat on line, or at Cabela's stores, in restaurants, and at butcher shops.

Some wild game meat is actually raised on ranches, slaughtered and processed just like domestic animals. There are ranches for deer, buffalo, ostrich, elk, etc.

Oh well, I'm employee at grocery (wal-fart supercenter) and work in meat dept, also others are Wall 97, that where sell bacon, sausage, hotdog, sliced meat in packet and lunchable, lunch food for kids, also adult can eat small lunchable with no juice. I was changed from work in frozen to meat dept because manager want me to do it due lacking of employee...

They only sell chicken, ham, turkey, beef, ground beef, pork, seafood, also there's no deer or wild animal meats on market and asked one meat manager about why can't sell like it then they said it was from laws.

Meat cooler looks clean and none of blood are left on anywhere.

Reba · 06-14-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes, your post support my knowledge but it look like that you pick on my grammar or what?

No, I don't pick on your grammar. I just want the facts to be accurate.

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Oh yes, animals are dead already as they butcher them after stunned them with electricial tool. (I don't know the type of electricial tool, they use to animal).

Stunning does NOT kill the animals. The stunning is supposed to just make them insensitive to the pain. They killed after the stunning, and the killing is usually done by blood-letting. That is, they are cut, and bleed to death. They are NOT quickly "zapped" to death.

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...They make sure that animals won't suffer pain and fear too long before they are dead. Yes, I know that Germany is a first country who fixed the Animal Right/Welfare.

If you read the links carefully, you will notice that stunning does NOT guarantee that they won't suffer before death. That's the goal but it's not always successful.

From reading your other link, it seems the USA required stunning about 20 years before Europe did.

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I am against Muslim and Jew's belief for let animal suffer pain and fear until they are dead... because animals SHOULD be dead within seconds with no pain and fear.

Before the invention of stunning, the Jewish method of slaughtering animals was considered more humane than the way most slaughter houses operated.

Reba · 06-14-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Oh well, I'm employee at grocery (wal-fart supercenter) and work in meat dept. . . . They only sell chicken, ham, turkey, beef, ground beef, pork, seafood, also there's no deer or wild animal meats on market and asked one meat manager about why can't sell like it then they said it was from laws.

I believe you. Different stores, different states, different laws.

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Meat cooler looks clean and none of blood are left on anywhere.

We buy some of our meat at Walmart, so I'm glad to know that!

dreama · 06-14-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

I am sure you have heard of the so-called organisation called People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA). Well, check this out: PETA Kills Animals.

I don't think I would give up eating meats and become vegetarian/fruitarian.

I know all about PETA.

However there are many other more reputable organisations that are ALSO against killing animals.

webexplorer · 06-14-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TFWFalcon

I have see this one. It is old news. You know what happen to guys?.

Yes. I know what happened to them. The guys were raped and killed by deer hunters!

TFWFalcon · 06-14-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

Yes. I know what happened to them. The guys were raped and killed by deer hunters!

Cool, you hear about them?. I was try find links about this by google.com but no luck. i was looking all over.

dreama · 06-14-2007, 12:47 PM

I am against hunting but I think factory farming is MUCH worse. Particularly for pigs as they are so clever and know when the farmer means to kill them. I once went to a pig unit at an agricultural college. I was very shocked when I experienced the condition that the pigs were kept in. They were all covered in sores and this was at an agricultural college that boasted for high pig standards. At the time I was an omnivore. I stopped eating factory farmed meat after that and eventually went pescotarian('vegitarian' who eats fish), and finally vegan.

Here is some more information about pig farming. Please read it.

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Pigs once lived wild in Britain and are said to be more intelligent than dogs, even capable of playing special computer games. The great forests and wild woods that once covered most of the land were where they roamed free, eating beech nuts, acorns, all kinds of seeds and nuts, even insects, roots and occasionally carrion. Their snouts and strong necks helped them to grub up buried food and their dislike of temperature extremes encouraged them to seek shade beneath the spreading trees in summer or snuggle in warm nests, made from forest floor litter, when winter cold bit.

Peek into any intensive farm in Britain and you are likely to see diseased, dead and dying animals. Neglect and indifference are commonplace...
They posed no threat yet were hunted to extinction for sport in the 17th century. But descendants of these wild rovers do exist and their reward is to be locked in overcrowded concrete prisons. No freedom, no roaming wild – just a factory farm for 90 per cent of all piglets.

What is life like now? Peek into any intensive farm in Britain and you are likely to see diseased, dead and dying animals. Neglect and indifference are commonplace – broken legs, abscesses, ruptured stomachs, animals coughing with pneumonia, others panting from meningitis, cuts and lacerations from the perforated metal on which they are forced to live. Viva! has filmed in dozens of units, even those supplying huge stores such as Tesco(2), and the story is much the same in most of them(3).

Few of those we have visited provided so much as a strand of straw for comfort and bedding – just filthy wet concrete.

One farm in Yorkshire looked almost derelict, with junk and debris distributed everywhere between an array of grimy, windowless sheds. The stench of ammonia and faeces was overwhelming. Sadly, these sickening conditions are commonplace.

There was no light inside the first shed but a cacophony of noise – a scrambling and clattering of animals in fear. The camera lights revealed baby pigs in barren metal pens and utterly devoid of bedding. The noise was their tiny trotters clattering on the bare metal floors as they tried to get away. But there was no place to go, no place to hide.

Near darkness and barren pens is their home for over a month – about one-fifth of their lives. One pig had a broken leg, others were stunted and suffering from ‘scabby pig’ from which they almost certainly died. Some were lame, others had deformed spines. These little ‘weaners’ would have been taken away from their mothers at just three weeks old so she could be made pregnant again immediately – for maximum productivity. Not even able to properly digest the solid food they are given, they are pumped with drugs to try and control the resulting diarrhoea. Their eight most prominent teeth are usually snapped off with plyers and their tails severed – all without anaesthetic – in an attempt to limit the damage they can do to each other as aggression and boredom inevitably overwhelms them in these cruel and unnatural surroundings.

Each stage of their life is marked by a different array of antibiotics and other drugs as a whole variety of different diseases run through the unit. Yet more drugs are given to make them grow faster and fatter so their deaths are more profitable. This wasn’t some rogue outfit we had chosen to film as all these practices are industry standard. The nationwide outbreak of foot and mouth disease began in just such a filthy farm – described by vets as ‘appalling’. It had been inspected by government vets just weeks before the outbreak! Outside at the Yorkshire farm, in a rusting trailer, was a pile of rotting corpses, discoloured and bloated from days of decay – half submerged in putrid rainwater. In a nearby pen, where larger pigs were nearing slaughter weight, some 200 or so milled around in a space of about 10m by 12m. The food hoppers were empty and the desperate animals squealed and screamed, biting in their desperation to be let out.

The pigs are killed at about five months old for sausages, bacon, pepperoni, ham and pork. The ‘breeding stock’ – the pigs kept to produce the piglets which are killed for meat – usually give birth in a small farrowing crate on a concrete or perforated metal floor. Sows have strong maternal feelings and would naturally spend days building a nest of leaves or straw. In a crate they can’t do this and so lapse into stereotyped behaviour where they repeat the same motions over and over again as they build an imaginery nest in their barren cell. It is a sign of mental collapse.

At a farm in Cornwall, Viva! filmed nursing mothers locked into metal cages little bigger than their body. The bars on the crates stop them from moving – they can barely take a step forward or back and can never turn around. This unnatural imprisonment can cause them to ache all over and produce painful back and leg problems.

The bars also stop them from reaching their babies and frustrate their powerful maternal instinct to comfort, nuzzle, reassure and mother. The babies, however, can reach their mother’s teats, turning her into nothing more than a milk machine. On the Cornish farm, one sow was in an appalling state, bleeding profusely from her vagina, the congealed blood having spread down the gangway. She was covered in flies and outside we discovered the source – a bin half-filled with dead piglets seething with a sea of maggots (Viva! reported this and several other farms to Defra).

On nearly all farms, piglets are removed after three weeks, the sow being made pregnant again after five days so the whole misery-go-round can start again. This again is industry standard.

You can view this disturbing footage on our website: Viva! - Vegetarians International Voice for Animals

Or contact Viva! for Pig in Hell, Piggles and The Mother Cage on video or DVD or for a copy of our Pig in Hell report.

Reba · 06-14-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dreama

I am against hunting but I think factory farming is MUCH worse. Particularly for pigs as they are so clever and know when the farmer means to kill them. I once went to a pig unit at an agricultural college. I was very shocked when I experienced the condition that the pigs were kept in. They were all covered in sores and this was at an agricultural college that boasted for high pig standards. At the time I was an omnivore. I stopped eating factory farmed meat after that and eventually went pescotarian('vegitarian' who eats fish), and finally vegan.

Here is some more information about pig farming. Please read it.

Thanks for the info.

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The pigs are killed at about five months old for sausages, bacon, pepperoni, ham and pork.

I wonder how that fits Leibling's statement that she doesn't eat baby animals.

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...Sows have strong maternal feelings and would naturally spend days building a nest of leaves or straw. In a crate they can’t do this and so lapse into stereotyped behaviour where they repeat the same motions over and over again as they build an imaginery nest in their barren cell. It is a sign of mental collapse.

I'm not a farm girl so I haven't seen this pig behavior first hand.

However, I have seen this behavior in my female Lab, so I know it happens. My female Lab, before she ever became pregnant (she had one litter), and prior to her spaying, exhibited this behavior. She had a squeeze toy (ironically, a pig) that she carried in her mouth, every day. She started gaining weight and her breasts swelled. She would come in the house and paw at the carpet like she was arranged bedding. Then she would circle around, lie down, and stretch out. After a while, she would get her "baby" and groom it with her tongue. In other words, she prepared a nest and gave birth to her toy pig. She did this over and over for several days. We took her to the vet, and he said it was a false pregnancy. He gave her a shot of hormones to calm her down.

The nesting instinct in critters is deeply imprinted into them.

webexplorer · 06-14-2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TFWFalcon

Cool, you hear about them?. I was try find links about this by google.com but no luck. i was looking all over.

I use my Safari to trace this picture so I found it. It's on Pillaband official website . It is a good thing that I use the Apple computer.

Liebling:-))) · 06-14-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Some people save the bones to make soup stock. That is very environmentally friendly, and tasty.

Oh yes, you remind me of my mother in law. She used to make soup stock with bones.

Reba · 06-14-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

I use my Safari to trace this picture so I found it. It's on Pillaband official website . It is a good thing that I use the Apple computer.

I did it the easy way. I just backspaced all the url to the .com extension on the address bar, and up popped the original website. I do that all the time to find sources.

horselover61 · 06-14-2007, 03:36 PM

My uncle had a very small farm and he usually get animals like cow, sheep, pig and checken on his farm and raised them. Then he will bring them to slaughter hosue which is about 1 miles from his house and go from there.

One time he had a full of meat in the fridge and his darn son in law unplug the fridge and forgot to plug it back later. The meats went bad and my uncle got pissed.

Yea I dont mine the hunter I like to eat deer meat. My boss told me one day the he went out for the first time and shot the deer. He had to drink blood for the first time but after that no more. He did had a good time. He go hunting in the winter time almost everyday.

webexplorer · 06-14-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by horselover61

My uncle had a very small farm and he usually get animals like cow, sheep, pig and checken on his farm and raised them. Then he will bring them to slaughter hosue which is about 1 miles from his house and go from there.

One time he had a full of meat in the fridge and his darn son in law unplug the fridge and forgot to plug it back later. The meats went bad and my uncle got pissed.

Yea I dont mine the hunter I like to eat deer meat. My boss told me one day the he went out for the first time and shot the deer. He had to drink blood for the first time but after that no more. He did had a good time. He go hunting in the winter time almost everyday.

Did you heard or read a story that his father was a hunter and killed his son by accident in the woods? He gave up his hunting hobby and supports animal rights. He never forgives himself what he had done to his son and the friendly animals. He said that in the newspaper.

Reba · 06-14-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

Did you heard or read a story that his father was a hunter and killed his son by accident in the woods? He gave up his hunting hobby and supports animal rights. He never forgives himself what he had done to his son and the friendly animals. He said that in the newspaper.

That's very sad but accidents do happen.

A friend of mine was 14 years old when he was seriously accidentally injured by another hunter friend. The boy recovered (now he's a man), and he still loves to go hunting. He doesn't blame the other hunter, and he sees no reason to quit hunting.

PuyoPiyo · 06-14-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dreama

I am against hunting but I think factory farming is MUCH worse. Particularly for pigs as they are so clever and know when the farmer means to kill them. I once went to a pig unit at an agricultural college. I was very shocked when I experienced the condition that the pigs were kept in. They were all covered in sores and this was at an agricultural college that boasted for high pig standards. At the time I was an omnivore. I stopped eating factory farmed meat after that and eventually went pescotarian('vegitarian' who eats fish), and finally vegan.

Here is some more information about pig farming. Please read it.

Good article! Thank you for the article. I agree, the animals farming factory is much much worst than hunting, but I am still against hunting! My grandpa is a hunter, and he always want me to hunt with him, but I refuse. I only don't mind to use the gun for fun like a target paper, or cans, also I don't mind to have a gun for my own protection, but NOT for kill, even any animals.

MaxUFC · 06-15-2007, 12:06 AM

Darn, too many does as long as under the law's order. It sucks when not break the laws.

I usually eat more chicken than any meat like cow, bull, lamb, or pig. But I must say that I admitted that buffalo are best meat...yup it cost much than any meat.

Liebling:-))) · 06-15-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Moving the off-topic to a new thread is a good idea.

Welcome

Liebling:-))) · 06-15-2007, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

At least this link says that the United States established regulations for safer, cleaner, and more humane slaughter houses many years earlier.

Yes, slaughter houses are obligate to clean and take care accord health law in different countries like this.

Liebling:-))) · 06-15-2007, 01:52 AM

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Apparently you don't have a soft heart for cows, pigs, turkeys and chickens.

Yes I do but I cannnnot kill them for the foods but buy the meats from the butcher shop. This is a difference.

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I guess you don't eat veal or lamb, right?

Yes that's right.

Liebling:-))) · 06-15-2007, 01:55 AM

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Hunting and fishing requires a license, has to be in season, in the allowed areas, and within catch limits.

Yes, that's right. I forget to add fishing in my previous post.

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Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 17,287	Some people save the bones to make soup stock. That is very environmentally friendly, and tasty.

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horselover61 Neigh!!! Neigh!!! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,254 Blog Entries: 2	My uncle had a very small farm and he usually get animals like cow, sheep, pig and checken on his farm and raised them. Then he will bring them to slaughter hosue which is about 1 miles from his house and go from there. One time he had a full of meat in the fridge and his darn son in law unplug the fridge and forgot to plug it back later. The meats went bad and my uncle got pissed. Yea I dont mine the hunter I like to eat deer meat. My boss told me one day the he went out for the first time and shot the deer. He had to drink blood for the first time but after that no more. He did had a good time. He go hunting in the winter time almost everyday.

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MaxUFC GO PATRIOTS! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New England Posts: 2,037	Darn, too many does as long as under the law's order. It sucks when not break the laws. I usually eat more chicken than any meat like cow, bull, lamb, or pig. But I must say that I admitted that buffalo are best meat...yup it cost much than any meat.