Do you treat human and animal equal?

**Liebling:-)))** · 06-03-2007, 12:41 PM

Do you treat human and animal equal?

I noticed from other thread that some people see human and animal different which I respectfully disagree.

I would like to know from some of you why you see them different when I see them equal?

Come and discuss....

Agree and disagree are welcome as long as there´re no bash/insult... Remember each person has her/her own POV.

**Liebling:-)))** · 06-03-2007, 12:47 PM

I vote yes.

I treat human and animal equal.

I have 4 cats who lives with us. We treat 4 cats as our own children (my 2children and 2 grandchildren).

We treat them on their birthdays, Easter and Christmas as the same as we treat our both sons.

Human and animals have protection rights against abuse, cruelty, etc.

Human and animals receive euthanasia equal to save their suffer.

Human and animals need medical to save their life.

**KarissaMann05** · 06-03-2007, 02:02 PM

I like your post.

awesome

I agreed that animals should be treat properly, and I never agreed that i am an animal which is insult me annoyingly. HOWEVER - i believe all creatures, flying things, and all kinds should be healthy and safety and equal. I'm surely agreed with you mostly except "humans are animals" issuse.

**Reba** · 06-03-2007, 02:03 PM

Animals and humans are not the same, and shouldn't be treated equally.

Animals should not have the right to marry humans, to vote, or to drive cars.

Humans should not have the right to squat and poop on the sidewalk (even if they pick it up in a bag), walk the streets naked, or sniff another human's butts in public.

Animals shouldn't be forced to get SSN's, pay taxes, or wear clothing.

Humans shouldn't be forced to be sterilized, get annual rabies vaccinations, or wear collars with leashes.

Animals shouldn't serve hamburgers at fast food restaurants, and humans shouldn't be the ground up ingredients in the burgers.

**KarissaMann05** · 06-03-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Animals and humans are not the same, and shouldn't be treated equally.

Animals should not have the right to marry humans, to vote, or to drive cars.

Humans should not have the right to squat and poop on the sidewalk (even if they pick it up in a bag), walk the streets naked, or sniff another human's butts in public.

Animals shouldn't be forced to get SSN's, pay taxes, or wear clothing.

Humans shouldn't be forced to be sterilized, get annual rabies vaccinations, or wear collars with leashes.

Animals shouldn't serve hamburgers at fast food restaurants, and humans shouldn't be the ground up ingredients in the burgers.

okay, i'm not gonig to insult you.
I seen many animals are abused by humans so i believe that animals should have a protective laws for all matters. :3 Ofc, animals cant do anything like humans but it's their different ability for creature being. it's always amazing how thay can which we, humans, cannot.

**Reba** · 06-03-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mann_K05

okay, i'm not gonig to insult you.
I seen many animals are abused by humans so i believe that animals should have a protective laws for all matters. :3 Ofc, animals cant do anything like humans but it's their different ability for creature being. it's always amazing how thay can which we, humans, cannot.

I'm a very strong supporter of protecting animals from abuse. But that doesn't mean animals are "equal" to people. Animals don't have to be equal to humans in order to deserve humane treatment.

People should be good stewards of the animals that are in their care.

**KarissaMann05** · 06-03-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I'm a very strong supporter of protecting animals from abuse. But that doesn't mean animals are "equal" to people. Animals don't have to be equal to humans in order to deserve humane treatment.

People should be good stewards of the animals that are in their care.

Okay. I see your point. Yes, i believe so. It should have laws for all creatures, all matters!

**Reba** · 06-03-2007, 02:24 PM

House is burning. There's only enough time to go back in for one rescue. I can carry only one unconscious victim of smoke inhalation. Here's the choice: rescue my little son or rescue my big dog (they are the same size and weight).

Are they truly "equal"?

**KarissaMann05** · 06-03-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

House is burning. There's only enough time to go back in for one rescue. I can carry only one unconscious victim of smoke inhalation. Here's the choice: rescue my little son or rescue my big dog (they are the same size and weight).

Are they truly "equal"?

Depend. XD but your question is definitely good point!

**sequoias** · 06-03-2007, 02:27 PM

Yes, I do treat the animals equally as well as humans, too.

Cane Corso · 06-03-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Animals and humans are not the same, and shouldn't be treated equally.

Animals should not have the right to marry humans, to vote, or to drive cars.

Humans should not have the right to squat and poop on the sidewalk (even if they pick it up in a bag), walk the streets naked, or sniff another human's butts in public.

Animals shouldn't be forced to get SSN's, pay taxes, or wear clothing.

Humans shouldn't be forced to be sterilized, get annual rabies vaccinations, or wear collars with leashes.

Animals shouldn't serve hamburgers at fast food restaurants, and humans shouldn't be the ground up ingredients in the burgers.

I would say we are on the same page about this issue, but animals deserve a respect from people. I don't think we should be responsible to take care of animals in the wild or even feed them. Its not our job to nurse wild animals.

**Phillips** · 06-03-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

I would say we are on the same page about this issue, but animals deserve a respect from people. I don't think we should be responsible to take care of animals in the wild or even feed them. Its not our job to nurse wild animals.

Yea!!

Here vote yes.. .

**Liebling:-)))** · 06-03-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Animals and humans are not the same, and shouldn't be treated equally.

This is your POV.

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Animals should not have the right to marry humans, to vote, or to drive cars.

We are not obligate to marry, to vote or to drive cars, don´t we?

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Humans should not have the right to squat and poop on the sidewalk (even if they pick it up in a bag), walk the streets naked, or sniff another human's butts in public.

but we train them to not do anything, don´t we?

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Animals shouldn't be forced to get SSN's, pay taxes, or wear clothing.

Is it obligate for them to go work to pay taxes or whatever... ? Oh yes Animals do wear clothes to keep them warm...

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Humans shouldn't be forced to be sterilized, get annual rabies vaccinations, or wear collars with leashes.

Oh yes, we got our children vaccinations, don´t we?
Oh yes, the parents use leashes on their children...

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Animals shouldn't serve hamburgers at fast food restaurants, and humans shouldn't be the ground up ingredients in the burgers.

Oh I don´t feed my children and pets junk foods.

**Liebling:-)))** · 06-03-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

House is burning. There's only enough time to go back in for one rescue. I can carry only one unconscious victim of smoke inhalation. Here's the choice: rescue my little son or rescue my big dog (they are the same size and weight).

Are they truly "equal"?

It makes no difference either one or seventeen children including animals. I rescue all of them.

**Liebling:-)))** · 06-03-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

I would say we are on the same page about this issue, but animals deserve a respect from people. I don't think we should be responsible to take care of animals in the wild or even feed them. Its not our job to nurse wild animals.

Exactly, it´s not our job to take care of homeless people and animal (including wild animals) but send them to Red Cross and RSCA to take care of them.

**Reba** · 06-03-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

It makes no difference either one or seventeen children including animals. I rescue all of them.

You didn't read the scenario:

"House is burning. There's only enough time to go back in for one rescue. I can carry only one unconscious victim of smoke inhalation. Here's the choice: rescue my little son or rescue my big dog (they are the same size and weight)."

Which would you rescue?

**Reba** · 06-03-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

This is your POV.

Well, that's what this thread is about right? You wanted our opinions, right?

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We are not obligate to marry, to vote or to drive cars, don´t we?

I didn't say "obligate". I said animals shouldn't have the "right" to do those things.

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but we train them to not do anything, don´t we?

I said they shouldn't have the "right" to do those things. Animals and humans don't have equal "rights".

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Is it obligate for them to go work to pay taxes or whatever... ? Oh yes Animals do wear clothes to keep them warm...

I said they shouldn't be "forced" to do those things.

This would be so much simpler if you would just read the words that I write.

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Oh yes, we got our children vaccinations, don´t we?

Oh yes, the parents use leashes on their children...

Your children are forced to get annual rabies vaccinations?!

People are forced to wear collars and leashes?!

Maybe they do that in Germany but they sure don't do that in the USA.

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Oh I don´t feed my children and pets junk foods.

That's nice to know but it has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.

But since you brought up the subject, at least your children are eating healthy cat food, eh?

Your children don't eat meat do they? If animals and people are equal, I guess that would be cannibalism.

06-03-2007, 04:08 PM

I don't consider animals equal. We should not be exploiting them; wearing them, eating them, using them for entertainment or anything else. As the quote goes, they are here for their own purposes. They are not for human use anymore than women are for men, blacks are for whites, or, I'd like to add, deaf are for hearing. I think we have a responsibility to take care of the ones we already have domesticated (dogs, cats, cows, any other animals that are alive right now) but I think it's irresponsible to breed any more.

Hwy99 · 06-03-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Animals and humans are not the same, and shouldn't be treated equally.

The only difference is that their species are different than our human beings.

Animals should not have the right to marry humans, to vote, or to drive cars.

As I said, our species are different. There is no way for dogs to act like spider, there is no way for birds to act like fish, there is no way for humans to act like animals. They create their own needs in the way different than our human beings which we create our own cars, computers, houses etc, but spider create their own web, birds create their own nest, etc.

Humans should not have the right to squat and poop on the sidewalk (even if they pick it up in a bag), walk the streets naked, or sniff another human's butts in public.

Haha very funny! As I said, there is no way for the different living things to act like other different kind of living things as due of varies of species.

Animals shouldn't be forced to get SSN's, pay taxes, or wear clothing.

Never. Why? They are not humans. They don't function like us. They have different brain function, body system, etc that's all, but they are just the living just like us the human beings.

Humans shouldn't be forced to be sterilized, get annual rabies vaccinations, or wear collars with leashes.

That is only for pets

Not wild animals or humans.

Animals shouldn't serve hamburgers at fast food restaurants, and humans shouldn't be the ground up ingredients in the burgers.

Well, how they eat is very different compare to each other. Birds get worms from the ground, fish eat some small animals in the water, rodents eat the vegetables from the grassland, etc. We get our foods different than them, as they get their own different way than each other.

I vote yes, I believe we are one of the nature in earth.

Deafilmedia · 06-03-2007, 08:04 PM

I think it should be legal for pets to have seat belt in car...

because I read in newspaper, a doberman dog injured head on the windsheild.

**Reba** · 06-03-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafilmedia

I think it should be legal for pets to have seat belt in car...

because I read in newspaper, a doberman dog injured head on the windsheild.

They sell safety harnesses for dogs but not many people use them.

moonflower · 06-03-2007, 08:27 PM

i vote yes for treating equal

Tousi · 06-04-2007, 12:53 AM

I vote for treating animals better than people...lol

Opal · 06-04-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

I vote for treating animals better than people...lol

Lol - this is what my husband always telling me that I treat my dog better than him ha ha.

Anyway back to this topic, I believe human and animals are different.

Human people comes FIRST, SECOND, THIRD than any animals.

Opal · 06-04-2007, 01:50 AM

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**Liebling:-)))** · 06-04-2007, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

You didn't read the scenario:

"House is burning. There's only enough time to go back in for one rescue. I can carry only one unconscious victim of smoke inhalation. Here's the choice: rescue my little son or rescue my big dog (they are the same size and weight)."

Which would you rescue?

Sorry, it make no difference either one or more in household. Let says: You have 3 little children. Should you rescue one of 3 children? I would not pick one but try to do everything to rescue my beloved ones.

**Liebling:-)))** · 06-04-2007, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Well, that's what this thread is about right? You wanted our opinions, right?

Yes I have no problem for that.

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I didn't say "obligate".

I never say that you said "obligate".

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I said animals shouldn't have the "right" to do those things.

What about this?
Human-animal marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I said they shouldn't have the "right" to do those things. Animals and humans don't have equal "rights".

Do you mean that it's okay for human to use animals for medical research, testing etc? Is it okay to cause pain for those poor animals, that's because they are only animals which is not same "rights" as human?

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This would be so much simpler if you would just read the words that I write.

It would be much simple when you has feeling for animals instead of use "materials" as an example to compare human and animal. I defend animal and see animal as my family, not different that's because they are only animal.

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Your children are forced to get annual rabies vaccinations?!

Just rabies vaccination?

I thought you know that there're many different types of vaccinations to fit human and animal, not just rabies vaccination?

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People are forced to wear collars and leashes?!

Really? I thought you do not against Toddler-harness, don't you?

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Maybe they do that in Germany but they sure don't do that in the USA.

Really? I hope those link will fresh your memory.
Toddler Harness

[QUOTE]That's nice to know but it has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.

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But since you brought up the subject, at least your children are eating healthy cat food, eh?

I never said that my children eat cat foods. Can you show me where have I say that my children eats cat foods because I didn't find where I did said that.

All what I see is you are the one who use the example material between human and animal as comparison.

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Your children don't eat meat do they? If animals and people are equal, I guess that would be cannibalism.

cannibalism?

wow interesting, I didn't know that there're legal in your country that human meat is in pet foods...

I only know that some people like to eat pet foods and dry foods as the same as the pets like to eat normal foods like what the people eat as well.

06-04-2007, 07:37 AM

This thread is crazy to begin with for heavens
sake!
Its going to cause a lot of heat, thats for sure!

My answer is: People come first before animals but of
course, animals should be treated with respect.

Capmeister · 06-04-2007, 07:37 AM

I like animals. They often taste delicious.

Non-humans don't have rights because they do not understand the concept of rights and therefore cannot respect the rights of others.

People can't even agree on the rights other people have--I'm pretty sure we won't be granting animals rights anytime soon.

This isn't to say all animals are the same or should be abused. But by the same token, medical tests aren't necessarily abuses. And for lower animals, eating them is just fine. It's silly to take man out of the food chain just because he's at the top.

06-04-2007, 07:42 AM

[QUOTE=Liebling:-)));785142][QUOTE]

Yes I have no problem for that.

I never say that you said "obligate".

What about this?
Human-animal marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you mean that it's okay for human to use animals for medical research, testing etc? Is it okay to cause pain for those poor animals, that's because they are only animals which is not same "rights" as human?

It would be much simple when you has feeling for animals instead of use "materials" as an example to compare human and animal. I defend animal and see animal as my family, not different that's because they are only animal.

Just rabies vaccination?

I thought you know that there're many different types of vaccinations to fit human and animal, not just rabies vaccination?

Really? I thought you do not against Toddler-harness, don't you?

Really? I hope those link will fresh your memory.
Toddler Harness

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That's nice to know but it has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.

I never said that my children eat cat foods. Can you show me where have I say that my children eats cat foods because I didn't find where I did said that.

All what I see is you are the one who use the example material between human and animal as comparison.

cannibalism?

wow interesting, I didn't know that there're legal in your country that human meat is in pet foods...

I only know that some people like to eat pet foods and dry foods as the same as the pets like to eat normal foods like what the people eat as well.

She did not say there was any human meat in pet foods...dont be such
an silly child!! and dont treat her like she is an imbecile, good grief!

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06-03-2007, 12:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 31,038	Do you treat human and animal equal? Do you treat human and animal equal? I noticed from other thread that some people see human and animal different which I respectfully disagree. I would like to know from some of you why you see them different when I see them equal? Come and discuss.... Agree and disagree are welcome as long as there´re no bash/insult... Remember each person has her/her own POV. __________________

06-03-2007, 12:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 31,038	I vote yes. I treat human and animal equal. I have 4 cats who lives with us. We treat 4 cats as our own children (my 2children and 2 grandchildren). We treat them on their birthdays, Easter and Christmas as the same as we treat our both sons. Human and animals have protection rights against abuse, cruelty, etc. Human and animals receive euthanasia equal to save their suffer. Human and animals need medical to save their life. __________________

06-03-2007, 02:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,381	I like your post. awesome I agreed that animals should be treat properly, and I never agreed that i am an animal which is insult me annoyingly. HOWEVER - i believe all creatures, flying things, and all kinds should be healthy and safety and equal. I'm surely agreed with you mostly except "humans are animals" issuse. __________________ "Pragmatic language is a vital social skill that enables the school-aged child to navigate their way through demanding social situations." -- R. Owens

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06-03-2007, 02:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,112	Animals and humans are not the same, and shouldn't be treated equally. Animals should not have the right to marry humans, to vote, or to drive cars. Humans should not have the right to squat and poop on the sidewalk (even if they pick it up in a bag), walk the streets naked, or sniff another human's butts in public. Animals shouldn't be forced to get SSN's, pay taxes, or wear clothing. Humans shouldn't be forced to be sterilized, get annual rabies vaccinations, or wear collars with leashes. Animals shouldn't serve hamburgers at fast food restaurants, and humans shouldn't be the ground up ingredients in the burgers.

06-03-2007, 02:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,112	House is burning. There's only enough time to go back in for one rescue. I can carry only one unconscious victim of smoke inhalation. Here's the choice: rescue my little son or rescue my big dog (they are the same size and weight). Are they truly "equal"?

06-03-2007, 02:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
sequoias Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa, the land of the cornfields and pigs Posts: 21,854	Yes, I do treat the animals equally as well as humans, too.

06-03-2007, 04:08 PM	#18 (permalink)
vrsterp Guest Posts: n/a	I don't consider animals equal. We should not be exploiting them; wearing them, eating them, using them for entertainment or anything else. As the quote goes, they are here for their own purposes. They are not for human use anymore than women are for men, blacks are for whites, or, I'd like to add, deaf are for hearing. I think we have a responsibility to take care of the ones we already have domesticated (dogs, cats, cows, any other animals that are alive right now) but I think it's irresponsible to breed any more.

06-03-2007, 08:04 PM	#20 (permalink)
Deafilmedia Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,579	I think it should be legal for pets to have seat belt in car... because I read in newspaper, a doberman dog injured head on the windsheild.

06-03-2007, 08:27 PM	#22 (permalink)
moonflower Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan Posts: 5,762	i vote yes for treating equal

06-04-2007, 12:53 AM	#23 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,731	I vote for treating animals better than people...lol

06-04-2007, 07:37 AM	#28 (permalink)
Mistyrose Guest Posts: n/a	This thread is crazy to begin with for heavens sake! Its going to cause a lot of heat, thats for sure! My answer is: People come first before animals but of course, animals should be treated with respect.

06-04-2007, 07:37 AM	#29 (permalink)
Capmeister Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 300	I like animals. They often taste delicious. Non-humans don't have rights because they do not understand the concept of rights and therefore cannot respect the rights of others. People can't even agree on the rights other people have--I'm pretty sure we won't be granting animals rights anytime soon. This isn't to say all animals are the same or should be abused. But by the same token, medical tests aren't necessarily abuses. And for lower animals, eating them is just fine. It's silly to take man out of the food chain just because he's at the top.

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