jillio

If it was before 1973, and your life or your health were not at risk, and it was performed in any state other than the ones I cited in my previous post, then the law was broken. If it was performed after 1973, and your life or health were not at risk, then it was illegal in any state. This is based on the fact that you have stated that you were 18 weeks along.

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Cheri

Well then abortion clinics shouldn't keep their business open if they are lawbreakers, not everyone knows the laws, especially teens.

It's a scary thought when abortion clinics act like they're above the law has the power to do whatever they wishes to do. I feel like I gonna throw up.

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jillio

I've got news for you. It isn't only doctors that were prosecuted for illegal abortions prior to Roe V Wade. It was the women seeking those abortions that were prosecuted, as well. And anyone else involved.

And clinics remain open because there is a demand. The illegal practitioners would not have done the procedure if there wasn't a demand for it. Before Roe V Wade, except in the states I have posted, all abortion was illegal, and the woman seeking the abortion, her husband or family that sought the abortion for her, and the doctor and anyone assisting him was guilty of breaking the law, and could do jail time. If I were you, I'd be glad that you weren't caught.

GarnetTigerMom

Abortion laws for minors are different in each of the United States. Here is a listing of what laws each state has, current as of January 15, 2007:

Alabama

Requires parental consent - one parent.
Allows minor to bypass parent’s consent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.
Allows abortion in cases of abuse, assault, incest and neglect without parental consent.

Alaska

No policy in effect.
**Minors can obtain an abortion without parental consent.

Arizona

Requires parental consent - one parent.
Allows minor to bypass parent’s consent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.
Allows abortion in cases of abuse, assault, incest and neglect without parental consent.

Arkansas

Requires parental consent - one parent.
Allows minor to bypass parent’s consent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.
Allows abortion in cases of abuse, assault, incest and neglect without parental consent.

California

No policy in effect.
**Minors can obtain an abortion without parental consent.

Colorado

Requires parental notification, parents do not have to consent.
Allows minor to bypass parent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.

Connecticut

No policy in effect.
**Minors can obtain an abortion without parental consent.

Delaware

Requires parental notification, parents do not have to consent.
Allows minor to bypass parent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows minor to obtain consent from other relatives as an alternative to parents’ consent. Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.

Florida

Requires parental notification, parents do not have to consent.
Allows minor to bypass parent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.

Georgia

Requires parental notification, parents do not have to consent.
Allows minor to bypass parent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.

Hawaii, Idaho

No policy in effect.
**Minors can obtain an abortion without parental consent.
Illinois No policy in effect. **Minors can obtain an abortion without parental consent.

Indiana

Requires parental consent - one parent.
Allows minor to bypass parent’s consent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.

Iowa

Requires parental notification and parents have to consent.
Allows minor to bypass parent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows minor to obtain consent from other relatives as an alternative to parents’ consent. Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.
Allows abortion in cases of abuse, assault, incest and neglect without parental consent.

Kansas

Requires parental notification and parents have to consent.
Allows minor to bypass parent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.
Allows abortion in cases of abuse, assault, incest and neglect without parental consent.

Kentucky

Requires parental consent - one parent.
Allows minor to bypass parent’s consent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.

Louisiana

Requires parental consent - one parent.
Allows minor to bypass parent’s consent by obtaining a court approval.

Maine

Requires parental notification and parents have to consent.
Allows minor to bypass parent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows minor to obtain consent from other relatives as an alternative to parents’ consent.

Maryland

Requires parental notification and parents have to consent.
Allows minor to bypass parent by obtaining a court approval.

Massachusetts

Requires parental consent - one parent.
Allows minor to bypass parent’s consent by obtaining a court approval.

Michigan

Requires parental consent - one parent.
Allows minor to bypass parent’s consent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.

Minnesota

Requires parental notification - both parents, parents do not have to consent.
Allows minor to bypass parent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.
Allows abortion in cases of abuse, assault, incest and neglect without parental consent.

Mississippi

Requires parental consent - both parents.
Allows minor to bypass parent’s consent by obtaining a court approval.
Allows abortion in medical emergency without parental consent.

Missouri

Requires parental consent - one parent.
Allows minor to bypass parent’s consent by obtaining a court approval.

Montana

No policy in effect.
**Minors can obtain an abortion without parental consent.

You can look up under the state laws informations. So some teenagers are aware of it. No offense.

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jillio

All I was saying, Cheri, was that the doctors who performed illegal abortions were not the only ones that were considered guilty under the law. I wasn't talking about you as a teenager. If you didn't know the law, that's fine. But you said you were "forced" to have an abortion. Whoever "forced" you was an adult, and had to go through the process of finding an illegal abortion clinic to do the procedure. Therefore, they knew the law, and under the law, would have been as guilty as the doctor. This doesn't have anything to do with anything other than what the law was and is. And the law is something that has to be considered in the issue of whether or not you support the overturning of Roe v Wade.

This is getting way out of hand. Too many contradicitons in statements, and emotion presented as fact.

Chase

Debates on emotional and personal topics such as this always tax the concept of freedom of speech. This is citizenship of the highest order . . . to calmly discuss what makes you seethe inside, but those are the rules at AD, so follow them or only read this thread.

Cowpuppy

Think this thread is going nowhere. Getting too emotional.
I understand some who are pro-life can have a diffent view than other pro-lifers........same goes for pro-choicers......may vote pro-choice but yes it is a difficult vote since it involves 'life'...don't assume all pro-choicers are callous and indifferent..... Allow others thier choice in vote without laying guilt trips.
But it still comes down to 'which way would you vote'. We all have our thoughts on it outside of our vote choice.

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jillio

Just because the law chose not to prosecute them is not an indication that under the strict interpretation of the laws as written, they were not in a position to be prosecuted if that action was chosen.

Reba

I think it proves an apology and retraction are in order:

"If I were you, I'd be glad that you weren't caught."

Oceanbreeze

I am pro choice. I would vote for candidates who support keeping Roe V Wade intact.

However, I also believe that life begins at conception, and abortion is a necessary evil. I stated this somewhere else in the thread. If anyone came to me with an unplanned pregnancy saying they didn't know what to do, I would direct them to information that presented both options, and then, I'd tell that person that I would support any decision they made. I do not feel it is anyone else's business to tell a woman what she should/shouldn't do with her pregnancy. It is not up to me. It is not up to you. It's the woman's decision.

Period.

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KarissaMann05

I jsut got to log in currently and read this some posts.

I'm sorry but I have to agree with Cheri and Reba. Because my mom got abortion when she was young, at 16 of the age. In fact, my mom was forced to have an abortion by my grandparent. My mom is the same age as Cheri is, her birth year is 1960's. IN FACT, SHE HAD HER ABORTION ONLY A BIT MORE THAN THREE YEARS BEFORE I WAS BORN. So, Cheri is telling the truth.

It's not matter if it is illegal or legal.

Right now, that's enough is enough. I'd seen that.

NO MORE ABORTION TOPIC.

Let's different topic as death plenaty, assited siudice, anti cruelty animals, etc etc.

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Oceanbreeze

With all due respect, it would seem that you can't handle how controversial this topic is. You created the thread, but you must realize that in doing so, you bear some responsiblity in keeping your emotions in check. If you can't deal with opinions across the board in all facets of the pro-life debate, then please don't make these kinds of threads. Abortion is apart of the pro life debate, and I feel, it should be discussed.

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KarissaMann05

Are you saying am I suppose to shut up and am I not allow myself to debate with anybody else (it is not matter what kind topic is)? Is that correct?


EDIT: Well, I don't know what's happen here, I have to pull all emotional posts out. I don't want to see any ADer feel so upset and hurt. I know abortion is pretty emotional topic, espeically hot topic. So, it's better to change the subject for now.

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Oceanbreeze

No. I'm not telling you to shut up, but what I am saying is this.... You created a controversial topic. It's up to each of us to keep our emotions in check when debating. If we can't, we shouldn't post.

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KarissaMann05

Yeah... That's why I tried to tell ADers to keep abortion subject out because we already talked about it for so long time since Augest or September (can't remmy when it started). Yet they may miss or ignore my post until it happened today. I have to stop it. Besides, this thread may be good education and I don't want to see it close for some personal reasons..

Some topics may be touchy and so emotion. =/

*changes subject*
Let me ask you, why is life does matter to you? I'm curious.

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jillio

I'll offer an apology, but not a retraction, as the law was stated correctly.

jillio

jillio

We already have a thread going on the death penalty. But I'm up for a change. What are your views on physician assisted suicide? Not euthanasia, mind you, but PAS.

Oceanbreeze

I'm for choice across the board. If a woman wants an abortion, she has the right to make that choice for herself without interference from others.

I'm for death with dignity. A person who is terminally ill or severely incapacitated, should have the right to end their life if they feel their quality of life is diminished to such a degree that they aren't living.

I believe in the death penalty, but feel it is being applied incorrectly, and needs to be overhauled; along with our justice system.

That should answer your question pretty thoroughly. As you can see, you and I would disagree on alot of things. I respect your view, but I don't agree with it.

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jillio

Ditto.

shel90

and I agree.

I just realized that I do believe in the death penalty but believe it is not applied correctly.

As for PAS, same thing as it is the women's body, it is other's body and if they are living without any kind of "life", then that should be their choice to end their lives. I would hate to see any loved ones of mine to make that decision but if it happens then I will give them my love and support.

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shel90

That's something that nobody should ever have to endure...being forced into abortion like that. Just like someone shouldnt be forced to carry a pregnancy to full-term. I am sorry that this happend to u especially if it was against your wishes.

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KarissaMann05

Physician assisted suicide is may be good optional to end the suffering. It's pretty helpful, I don't really see it is so wrong to have it. I don't really see it way. Personally, I only know a little about this pysician assisted suicide. Not much. I will be happy if you tell me more about that whiel we debate.

However, one problem, I learned a few new things to me.

It may cause a person to feel so painful and in shock; a person can be feel his or her heart pleasure is too high; sometime a doctor may give him or her a wrong kind of medinice.

Not much to know.

Dont you mind me to ask you, what is a PAS?

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KarissaMann05

Wit that bond font, are you talking about pysician assisted suicide, right? just make sure.

As for the last sentences, yeah, there are always will be disagreeable POVs. ^_^

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Oceanbreeze

P.A.S. =

P Physician
A Assisted
S Suicide.

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KarissaMann05

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jillio

PAS is just short for physician assisted suicide. In Oregan, there is already a PAS law in effect. There are numerous requirements that must be fulfilled. First, the person has to be diagnosed with a terminal illness and be believed by expert medical judgement, have less than six months to live. This has to be confirmed by more than one doctor. Secondly, the person has to request PAS on 3 separate occasions. A request for PAS must be made in writing and witnessed. A psychologist must examine the patient to determine that the request is made with a full understanding. It has been shown that many patients die from their disease before the PAS can actually be carried out because of the eriod of time necessary to complete the requirements.

Legalizing PAS has not resulted in an increase in suicide of the terminally ill. In fact, some studies show that suicide is actually reduced by legalizing PAS, because once a patient expresses a desire to end their life, doctors are more willing to do what is necessary to provide palliative care and pain relief. Once a patient is free of excrutiating pain, they often do not follow through with all 3 requests.

The way PAS works is that a doctor prescribes a dose of combined medications that will result in the patient's death. They will first slip into a coma, and then death will occur shortly thereafter. The doctor is not permitted to give the meds to the patient. The patient must be able to take them by their own hand. This insures that it is the patient's decision, and that they have willingly consented. The doctor is permitted only to prescribe the medications, and to watch while the patient takes them. They are permitted to stay with the patient until the end, and to confirm that death has occurred.

I hope that answers some of your questions.

KarissaMann05

Thanks! That's a lot of explaination.

I noticed this quote seem not mention about con view.

What's a con on this PAS, I wonder? This will help me to understand what is about pos and con.

As for Oregon, yeah, that's how I was learned from that but it was not so deep information because I was only read it a little as I didn't interest. Aha. Now, it's my chance to know more better.

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