Jiro

but flag represents something that people believe in. Nazi Flag represents Aryan Race. Red Cross symbol represents humanitarian aids group. Nobody should be waving a flag of hate in public.

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Liebling:-)))

[quote]Yes I know a flag is a material thing but...


Its about respect. IMO.

Yes the problem is their PRIDE, not think how anyone feel.

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My American neighbor (from 3 houses) put German flag at his garden...

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Texan Guy

Folks, It's just a pride of the south, and some prides just don't go die.

Russian communists are still flying the Sickle and Hammer flag and Russia doesn't banned or outlawed it. And millions and millions were dying and died under flag of red Sickle and Hammer for nearly century.

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Liebling:-)))

Well, none of flags are banned or outlawed but its about respect because each person is different. Nazi flags are not banned or outlawed but not do that to the public.

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Texan Guy

Yeah, well, many people died under the flag of red Sickle and Hammer than the Nazis does. and the S&H flag are still to be flying in some place.

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Jiro

First of all - its sickle and hammer flag was its national and political symbolism (well not as Russia but as U.S.S.R.). Secondly and most importantly - its flag is not a symbol of hate. Nearly a million people died under American flag as well.

Calvin

The questions about posting such flags the Confederate, Nazi or such should stay at home in private to show their pride and heritage. Those who want to show public, or post on car bumper, license or shirt, baseball cap, etc, are on their own risk. There is a controversy in a lot of places because of the offense image because whether it is racist or hate.

I do own a confederate flag for heritage and it stays in my room where it belongs. I will not take the flag outside for people to see and it's not a good idea. It's all about respect for the country and the people around you. If you want to earn respect, then you have to show them respect too.

I have a lot of friends who are blacks, hispanic,... not just white. We all are human and I respect people who they are. I don't show off and brag about the Confederate flag. If someone wants to share Civil War stories, or any articles, histories, I'm all for it. If it involves hate, racist remarks, then I'm leaving.

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Liebling:-)))

That's an exactly what I want to say.

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jenni-m

I understand this.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not fighting to say any particular view.

For me it doesn't have so much to do with flags, but social constructs and finger pointing.

Are we really so hopeless that we can't even control ourselves? I wonder this some times, some times even about me.

I think mind control is on it's way... no, I think it is already here.
It seems that nobody stops to think that symbolism or representation requires an arbitrary and subjective thought. Nothing inherently means anything without a person to think it.

Therefore, if you give something a meaning, another person should be able to refuse or 'take away' that meaning. Yet people stick to the same ones, even though they hate them, it is almost like self torture.

I mean, it's like you said. A flag represents something people believe in. How can they believe it, if they do not choose to do so?

Anyway. I guess I am just strange.

Byrdie714

Good post Calvin.

Texan Guy

So, were confederate and swastikas flags national and political symbolism.... IMO, I don't think the Confederate and Swasitka were the hate flag. They were the government flags but Nazis were the most evil government that the world has ever seen in the 20th Century.

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Chase

On one hand, it's a sad day when people can wave a flag that represented a confederation of states declaring its RIGHT to own slaves . . . then tell the whopper that its brand of "freedom" had nothing to do with money, then and now, and had nothing to do with discrimination and racism then, and has nothing to do with discrimination and racism now. Pathetic.

On the other hand, because the "Stars 'n' Stripes" flies tomorrow on U.S. Flag Day, those people enjoy the same right of freedom of speech we all do and can make up any story they want to justify flying a flag other than their country's.

Just think about it; if their flag had won, we wouldn't be having this discussion about civil rights. There wouldn't be any.

Foxrac

Yup, gotta agree with you.

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Byrdie714

Then where is our 40 acres and a mule?

Cowpuppy

two wrongs don't make a right.......and comparing the two doesn't remove the evil in the lesser evil. that's only hocus pocus.

Liebling:-)))

Tenn. teen battles school's Confederate flag ban
Trial by all-white jury is latest in string of cases across South

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - Tommy DeFoe wore his Southern pride on his Confederate flag belt buckle Wednesday as he argued in federal court that a school dress code banning such items violated his free speech rights.

"I am fighting for my heritage and my rights as a Southerner and an American," said the lanky DeFoe, 18, during a break in his trial.

DeFoe says his great-great uncle served in the Confederate army and "died for the South" in the Civil War.

But heritage was not the issue for Anderson County school officials who suspended DeFoe more than 40 times before he received his certificate of completion from the county vocational school last fall.

DeFoe's trial, which began Monday and is being heard by an all-white jury, is the latest in a string of cases across the South since the 1990s challenging dress codes that banned Confederate flag apparel: a prom gown in Kentucky, purses in Texas, T-shirts in Kentucky, South Carolina and Georgia.

It is unusual for such cases to go to a jury trial, however. Most were settled with a payment to the plaintiffs, said DeFoe attorney Kirk Lyons, who has been involved in many of the cases as chief trial lawyer for the North Carolina-based Southern Legal Resource Center. Others were thrown out by the judge.

DeFoe's lawyers claim the issue is whether the school system can ban the Confederate flag, a symbol of racism to some, if it causes no substantial disruption, Lyons said.

But officials in Anderson County, in East Tennessee not far from Knoxville, said they feared racial tension and violence if DeFoe continued to wear his Confederate flag shirts and belt buckle to class.

All sides agree his clothing failed to draw much notice at Anderson High School, where one of 1,160 students is black, or at the vocational school, where all 200 students are white.

But officials worried about the impact at Clinton High School six miles away, where about 100 of 1,200 students are black. Clinton High was the first public school desegregated by court order in the Old South in 1956 and was rocked by three massive explosions that temporarily closed the school in 1958.

"If he had worn at Clinton High what he wore at Anderson High it would have been a riot, somebody would have clobbered him," said county school board chairman John Burrell, one of several officials DeFoe is suing.

Yet Burrell said DeFoe clearly was "challenging the system. He knew the dress code. His father knew the dress code. He signed the dress code. He was challenging it."

Until 2001, the dress code for all Anderson County schools specifically banned the Confederate flag. Then the policy was rewritten to more general language "because we were afraid we would leave something out," Burrell said. Still, he said it was understood Confederate flag apparel wasn't allowed.

DeFoe's lawsuit questions why other symbols aren't banned, including the Mexican flag, the Canadian flag, political campaign buttons and images of Martin Luther King Jr.

He said other students wore Confederate flag clothing without consequence.

"I felt like I was the one who stood up for" what he believed in, he said.

Tenn. teen battles Confederate flag ban - Education - MSNBC.com

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Calvin

Yeah a lot of public schools forbid using Confederate symbol because of the controversy over what it stands for. The public opinion and some blacks gets offended by the symbol. It is best to keep the symbols at home so one would not cause a stir and hell break loose.

I doubt that that guy will win his case in court, the rules has been in place long enough and they already know that school forbids using symbols. I guess we'll wait see what the update on that story when they come in the news again.

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Byrdie714

First--the trial already has bias as it is being heard by an all-white jury.

Secondly, he knew the dress code, his father knew about the dress code and he signed it--meaning that he was going to follow the rules and decided to go against it by being selfish.

He deserves to lose!

Tousi

I think Alaska might still have that program......minus da mule. Lol...

Byrdie714

Then a moose would do!

jillio

Absolutely. And comparing the Mexican flag, the Candadian flag, political campaign buttons, and images of MLK to the Confederate flag is comparing apples to oranges.

shel90

Right..if one would wear the Nazi flag symbol at school, they would be suspended as well.

What about wearing the Iraq flag symbol?

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