Jiro

and the system of slavery and segregation are better?
<tap on your shoulder> you are in wrong seat

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Liebling:-)))

I'm really glad that you post here because I long want to say this. If I say something like you what you post here then they would say that I has no idea because I am not an American, etc... that's why I don't post anything or vote here until your post here... again,

Germany use only German flag and Europe flag... Its about rule by Germany and European...

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Liebling:-)))

Yes, kind of flags should be hang in museum... it's about history...

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Liebling:-)))

Yes I heard about this.


To my opinion, America is a country, they should use American Flag. We have German flag, not Nazi flag. It would consider as racism if we use Nazi flag. I agree that confederate flag also consider as racism if anyone prefer to use confederate flag instead of American flag.

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Liebling:-)))

I'm glad to know that I am not alone...

I voted A symbol of racist few minutes ago.

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Calvin

While I understand this is some sort of sticky issue involving confederacy, I'd appreciate that we all can debate this issue in a civil way. Many countries had a bad reputation in history as many of you know. USA were a slave country then CSA formed when civil war broke out and when USA (Union) won, the slavery were abolished. But the slavery still exists even today in some places.

Aside from that, let me remind you guys that this is my thread here, and there's no right and wrongs here, we share our point of view. I'd expect my thread to be a heated debate, and I'd appreciate that we can discuss in a civil matter. We learn from history and mistakes it happened long time ago.

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jenni-m

Who lost the war?
I am viewing it from a neutral and unbiased standpoint.
There is no "me" or "we" or "us", here.

I am from Michigan and always have been, which so happens would have been Union, back then.

If people want to look at it as "us" vs "you", then they have an agenda, and well... we can't use that very well in logical determinations.

That would pretty much sum it up as "the Confederate flag is racist, because we say it is." That's called 'arbitrary'.

Oh, and by the way.
I think in Germany it is illegal to display any Nazi flag or insignia. (correct me if I am wrong)
In the US, it is NOT illegal to fly or display Confederate colors. So unless/until it becomes so, people will just have to deal with it, no matter their personal opinion.

Cheri

Good one!

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Reba

What is a "Europe" flag? What does it represent?

jenni-m

Probably European Union.
European Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Liebling:-)))

Jenni-m, for know my post and know what I am saying/talking about.

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Liebling:-)))

http://flagspot.net/flags/us-law.html

I would say yes, Nazi flag to the public is an illegal but not banned... I support it to show my respect on Nazi's victims. Of course they can collect Nazi things in the house. My hubby do have Nazi things from his Step-Grandfather here in our house as collectors. We all would consider it as ignorant and racism if the people use Nazi flag to wave to the public. Do you remember that Prince Harry use Nazi's clothes as fancy party to shock the world especially Nazi's victims at few years ago?

Yes I know it's not illegal to wave confederate flag to the public but where is their respect? I would not use confederate flag if I know it's not illegal.

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Reba

What's the difference between "illegal" and "banned?"

Reba

You don't fly the EU flag with or above the German flag, do you?

Liebling:-)))

I already explain the difference between illegal and banned in my respone to Jenni-m's post.

It's an illegal to use Nazi flag to wave to the public and legal to collect Nazi things in the house.

If it's really banned which mean that all Nazi things have to burnt up and make sure no Nazi things in our house - Nazi things forbidden around Germany. That's why banned is not consider because some people are allow to collect or buy Nazi things from their generation... Some Germans went to London to buy Nazi things as their collection.

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jenni-m

I understand, there are some differences, however.
1. Confederacy did not have a Holocaust.
2. Confederacy was not invading other countries (They were fighting to separate and be recognized as a sovereign nation)
3. If you want to look at slavery, it was legal in the United States as a whole, before the Confederate States even attempted to separate.

I mean, come on. George Washington owned slaves. Yet he is on our one dollar bill. I don't see anyone complaining about using him as an icon. I don't see anyone complaining about the dozen or so statues of Jefferson Davis (the Confederate President) in various places around the country.

I understand people want to forget about some things. It just seems they conveniently 'forget' about some things more easily than others... and other times they just want something to fight over.

Liebling:-)))

We collect flags from different countries where we visited to and also German and EU flag.

We have EU sticker on our cars which is good enough.

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Byrdie714

So it's alright for AD to advocate racism on these boards knowing full well that the Southern Cross represents it?





When one flies a flag that divides a country, they are separating themselves from the rest of the country and have decided that it is "us" against "them."

So therefore, it becomes "us" against "them"....again.

No southerner hasn't explained why they would associate themselves with this flag knowing that SPLC has stated that over 500 extremist groups use this flag as their symbol.....

Byrdie714

And the South will still lose due to the economics of the North.

Byrdie714

And telling August and me to kiss your isn't showing respect.

But of course, one has to learn about self-respect before respecting others. Which you have clearly demonstrated.

jenni-m

Who says that is what they are doing? I don't get it.
Also, flags don't divide anything. People do.

I suppose it would be up to the individual to do that, rather than someone else assume for them.

Racist or pro-slavery groups could just as easily use this flag to represent themselves too:

It has the history behind it, there was slavery, and it was long before civil rights laws, or the American Civil War. But nobody sees it as a symbol for these things...

Byrdie714

Name a racist/pro-slavery group that uses a flag with 13 stars on it today that you have displayed?

There isn't.

The Dixie flag has a lot of racist/ pro-slavery groups tied to it. That is why there are 500 extremist groups that uses it to represent themselves.

Tousi

Byrdie said: "The Dixie flag has a lot of racist/ pro-slavery groups tied to it. That is why there are 500 extremist groups that uses it to represent themselves."

While this statement may be true, the original meaning/intent, etc for that flag is at odds with the thinking of these extremist groups you are talking about.

Byrdie714

Guilt by association.