Confederate Flag - Page 3

Schermy · 10-25-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

I am the last person that would support anything to do with racism. I have zero tolerance for it. Perhaps the problem lies in our respective understanding of what heritage means. I go by the definition here which I still stand by when I say there is a lot of heritage behind this and all of the flags used in the USA throughout history. It just so happens that the flag in question was in use at the time of slavery and that may be where the negative association comes from. One could argue that any flag used during the time of slavery would carry negative memories. That doesn't mean there is no heritage behind it. For the record I totally am against anything remotely resembling racism, bigotry, prejudice or stereotyping.

I totaly respect your opnion. I didnt' think you are racisit. Like I said.....agree to disagree. That's the joy of living in a free country.

fredfam1 · 10-25-2007, 12:10 PM

I also want to note that I just learned that my stepdad is the very distant cousin of General Lee.

Maybe we are cousins? My anncestry is that too. I voted for history.
My moms family and dads family all from Georgia! Can't get more
southern than that. The joke in my family is that I went and married
a Yankee! My husband is from Illinois! They love and accept them
but think he is eccentric. Definition: If you are strange and
people don't like you than you are "insane". If you are strange
and people like you then you are "eccentric" hahaha

Schermy · 10-25-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fredfam1

I also want to note that I just learned that my stepdad is the very distant cousin of General Lee.

Maybe we are cousins? My anncestry is that too. I voted for history.
My moms family and dads family all from Georgia! Can't get more
southern than that. The joke in my family is that I went and married
a Yankee! My husband is from Illinois! They love and accept them
but think he is eccentric. Definition: If you are strange and
people don't like you than you are "insane". If you are strange
and people like you then you are "eccentric" hahaha

Really...........I'm from Illinois. We don't call ourselves Yankee!!! lol We are Midwesterners.(Spent a lot of time in cut off shorts and tank tops on my uncle's farm riding bare back!! LOL) Now that I'm in Florida everyone here calls me a Yankee and looks at me like I'm the Devil's spawn.(ok I might be some days!!) I think it shouldn't matter. We are all Americans. One nation under God!

Reba · 10-25-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Schermy

Really...........I'm from Illinois. We don't call ourselves Yankee!!! lol We are Midwesterners.(Spent a lot of time in cut off shorts and tank tops on my uncle's farm riding bare back!! LOL) Now that I'm in Florida everyone here calls me a Yankee and looks at me like I'm the Devil's spawn.(ok I might be some days!!) I think it shouldn't matter. We are all Americans. One nation under God!

I know what you mean about "Yankee". I'm from Connecticut, so I'm definitely a "Yankee". My husband is from Michigan, so he's a Midwesterner. Our daughter was born in Pensacola, FL. That puts her in an awkward spot. Florida is located in the South but Floridians are not generally Southerners, EXCEPT for the Panhandle Floridians (which includes Pensacola) because they are more like people from Alabama, which makes them Southerners!

Now we live in South Carolina, so we are carpetbaggers, ha, ha.

Schermy · 10-25-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I know what you mean about "Yankee". I'm from Connecticut, so I'm definitely a "Yankee". My husband is from Michigan, so he's a Midwesterner. Our daughter was born in Pensacola, FL. That puts her in an awkward spot. Florida is located in the South but Floridians are not generally Southerners, EXCEPT for the Panhandle Floridians (which includes Pensacola) because they are more like people from Alabama, which makes them Southerners!

Now we live in South Carolina, so we are carpetbaggers, ha, ha.

HA that is a jumble of states. I live in Polk County Florida and I gotta tell you, it's very "southern" here. I've never seen so many trucks with lift kits and gators stickers in the back window!!!

Reba · 10-25-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Schermy

HA that is a jumble of states. I live in Polk County Florida and I gotta tell you, it's very "southern" here. I've never seen so many trucks with lift kits and gators stickers in the back window!!!

Schermy · 10-25-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yeah............it's funny when you don't live here!!!!

rockdrummer · 10-25-2007, 03:57 PM

It's better to be a blue belly than a yellow belly... LOL.. Just kidding people... *Ducking

Reba · 10-25-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Schermy

Yeah............it's funny when you don't live here!!!!

We have the same trucks here.

fredfam1 · 10-25-2007, 08:08 PM

My husband says HE is not from Illinois only his family is.(YANKEE STOCK)
He was born and raised in California so I don't know what that
makes him. What are you when your raised in the red woods?
Do you have any Millers or Frederics, or Wagners in your
geneology? That is who I am researching.

Schermy · 10-25-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

It's better to be a blue belly than a yellow belly... LOL.. Just kidding people... *Ducking

HA HA my belly is tan from my swimming pool!!!

Barbaro · 10-26-2007, 03:21 AM

I believe it's a symbol of heritage. Some historians feel that "The American Civil War" is inaccurate. As for the historians' views, It should be re-named either "The War for Southern Independence" and "The War of Northern Aggression." A civil war is a conflict in which two or more factions fight for control of a nation's government. Southern states were not trying to take over the US government; they wanted to declare themselves independent. Southern soldiers often compared the South's struggle against the US government to the colonies' struggle against Britain. The Civil War wasn't launched to free the slaves. The majority of the South did not own slavery. The Cherokees supported the Confederacy. The Confederacy even promised them their own state, not a mere federal reservation. The Copperheads (Peace Democrats) opposed the Civil war and criticized Lincoln harshly. My understanding is Lincoln's goal was to keep the Union together and his view on slavery issue was moderate. Though, it is one of the most complex and controversial wars to discuss it.

Reba · 10-26-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Barbaro

I believe it's a symbol of heritage. Some historians feel that "The American Civil War" is inaccurate. As for the historians' views, It should be re-named either "The War for Southern Independence" and "The War of Northern Aggression."

The natives here in South Carolina call it the war of Northern (or Yankee) aggression, or "the latest unpleasantness".

Sometimes they call it the war between the states. But they don't normally call it the civil war.

Schermy · 10-26-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The natives here in South Carolina call it the war of Northern (or Yankee) aggression, or "the latest unpleasantness".

Sometimes they call it the war between the states. But they don't normally call it the civil war.

When it comes down to it, there's nothing "civil" about war anyway.

Reba · 10-26-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Schermy

When it comes down to it, there's nothing "civil" about war anyway.

Right-o!

***VamPyroX*** · 10-26-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The natives here in South Carolina call it the war of Northern (or Yankee) aggression, or "the latest unpleasantness".

Sometimes they call it the war between the states. But they don't normally call it the civil war.

Yep!

It's like World War I & II. World War I was also called the "Great War". When they began World War II, they then called the previous war "The First Great War" or "The First World War".

Today, there are a lot of different interpretations of the recent wars such as Cold War and the War on Terrorism. The Cold War could be "World War III" and the War on Terrorism could be "World War IV". Of course, that might not happen... or it could happen years later when history is written.

Barbaro · 10-27-2007, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The natives here in South Carolina call it the war of Northern (or Yankee) aggression, or "the latest unpleasantness".

Sometimes they call it the war between the states. But they don't normally call it the civil war.

I like "the latest unpleasantness."

deafskeptic · 10-27-2007, 04:02 AM

I suppose the Confederate flag could be seen as a symbol of Southern hertiage. However, It's not one that I'm proud of and I'm a lifelong southerner. I do love many things about the South - especially country ham with buttermilk biscuits. *lick*

Tousi · 10-27-2007, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

I suppose the Confederate flag could be seen as a symbol of Southern hertiage. However, It's not one that I'm proud of and I'm a lifelong southerner. I do love many things about the South - especially country ham with buttermilk biscuits. *lick*

What about the inevitable grits? lol...

Schermy · 10-27-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

What about the inevitable grits? lol...

hmmmmmmmm I can make a wicked biscuts and gravy!!!!

Reba · 10-27-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

What about the inevitable grits? lol...

I'm not crazy about grits except when they're mixed with locally caught shrimp, a SC Lowcountry specialty.

But down here they do serve grits with every thing, especially breakfast. That, and super sweet ice tea.

fredfam1 · 10-27-2007, 12:43 PM

But down here they do serve grits with every thing, especially breakfast. That, and super sweet ice tea.

I love grits! And being the daughter of a true southerner I can make
really good sweet tea. Here is the recipie passed down for generations.
You actually boil the the tea bags for 7 minutes. Then turn off the
heat and immediately drop a pinch of baking soda into the tea.
It will fizz and foam up then after that you sweeten it with two
cups of sugar per gallon.

Also for a true southern meal the menu consists of
Grits, black eyed peas, corn bread with chittlins,
fried chicken, mashed potatoes(unless you have
grits that day) corn on the cob, collard greens,
or dandy lion greens if its a few days till pay day,
ice cold watermellon,sweet iced tea and
sweet potatoe pie. drooool

Banjo · 10-27-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I'm not crazy about grits except when they're mixed with locally caught shrimp, a SC Lowcountry specialty.

But down here they do serve grits with every thing, especially breakfast. That, and super sweet ice tea.

The members of the Liberal party of Canada are often referred to as the Grits while the members of the Conservative party are known as the Tories.

Reba · 10-27-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

The members of the Liberal party of Canada are often referred to as the Grits while the members of the Conservative party are known as the Tories.

That's interesting! Very Northern grits!

Down here, GRITS are "girls raised in the South" (and proud of it).
The GRITS Guide to Life

Barbaro · 10-27-2007, 04:07 PM

You guys are making me hungry.

*drools

Tousi · 10-27-2007, 04:11 PM

Banjo, do Grits get under your skin? Hehe

Schermy · 10-27-2007, 11:13 PM

I don't like grits.........but I love cream of wheat.

View Poll Results: What does Confederate Rebel Flag means to you?
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A symbol of racist	24	26.37%
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Others - please specify	5	5.49%
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10-25-2007, 12:10 PM	#62 (permalink)
fredfam1 Cathe Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,023	A Child Of The South I also want to note that I just learned that my stepdad is the very distant cousin of General Lee. Maybe we are cousins? My anncestry is that too. I voted for history. My moms family and dads family all from Georgia! Can't get more southern than that. The joke in my family is that I went and married a Yankee! My husband is from Illinois! They love and accept them but think he is eccentric. Definition: If you are strange and people don't like you than you are "insane". If you are strange and people like you then you are "eccentric" hahaha

10-25-2007, 08:08 PM	#70 (permalink)
fredfam1 Cathe Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,023	Correction My husband says HE is not from Illinois only his family is.(YANKEE STOCK) He was born and raised in California so I don't know what that makes him. What are you when your raised in the red woods? Do you have any Millers or Frederics, or Wagners in your geneology? That is who I am researching.

10-26-2007, 03:21 AM	#72 (permalink)
Barbaro doomsday clock's clicking Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: dæləs Posts: 305	I believe it's a symbol of heritage. Some historians feel that "The American Civil War" is inaccurate. As for the historians' views, It should be re-named either "The War for Southern Independence" and "The War of Northern Aggression." A civil war is a conflict in which two or more factions fight for control of a nation's government. Southern states were not trying to take over the US government; they wanted to declare themselves independent. Southern soldiers often compared the South's struggle against the US government to the colonies' struggle against Britain. The Civil War wasn't launched to free the slaves. The majority of the South did not own slavery. The Cherokees supported the Confederacy. The Confederacy even promised them their own state, not a mere federal reservation. The Copperheads (Peace Democrats) opposed the Civil war and criticized Lincoln harshly. My understanding is Lincoln's goal was to keep the Union together and his view on slavery issue was moderate. Though, it is one of the most complex and controversial wars to discuss it. __________________ We know what we are but not what we may be. -Author:Shakespeare

10-27-2007, 04:02 AM	#78 (permalink)
deafskeptic AAACCK! I got BORGED! Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,452	I suppose the Confederate flag could be seen as a symbol of Southern hertiage. However, It's not one that I'm proud of and I'm a lifelong southerner. I do love many things about the South - especially country ham with buttermilk biscuits. lick __________________ Left ear implanted with Med-El on April 24 2007. Activated on May 9th.

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10-25-2007, 03:57 PM	#68 (permalink)
rockdrummer Always 1 beat off Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago area Posts: 3,008	It's better to be a blue belly than a yellow belly... LOL.. Just kidding people... *Ducking

10-27-2007, 12:43 PM	#82 (permalink)
fredfam1 Cathe Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,023	But down here they do serve grits with every thing, especially breakfast. That, and super sweet ice tea. I love grits! And being the daughter of a true southerner I can make really good sweet tea. Here is the recipie passed down for generations. You actually boil the the tea bags for 7 minutes. Then turn off the heat and immediately drop a pinch of baking soda into the tea. It will fizz and foam up then after that you sweeten it with two cups of sugar per gallon. Also for a true southern meal the menu consists of Grits, black eyed peas, corn bread with chittlins, fried chicken, mashed potatoes(unless you have grits that day) corn on the cob, collard greens, or dandy lion greens if its a few days till pay day, ice cold watermellon,sweet iced tea and sweet potatoe pie. drooool

10-27-2007, 04:07 PM	#85 (permalink)
Barbaro doomsday clock's clicking Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: dæləs Posts: 305	You guys are making me hungry. *drools __________________ We know what we are but not what we may be. -Author:Shakespeare

10-27-2007, 04:11 PM	#86 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,249	Banjo, do Grits get under your skin? Hehe

10-27-2007, 11:13 PM	#87 (permalink)
Schermy Dragon Lady Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,306	I don't like grits.........but I love cream of wheat.