Homosexuality - Page 2

Cheri · 01-24-2007, 12:57 PM

Is this thread about homosexual or pizza?

it just made this thread turns to a different direction now.

Heath · 01-24-2007, 01:27 PM

I just asked a question because I had been through Northampton, MA before and had some of the world's best pizza there and I was just asking about where the name of the place was then you guys can go back to discussing the topic of homosexuality. I also had asked about the pizza in Northampton, MA a couple of years ago right here on alldeaf.com and I never really got an answer and now I did.

Thank you Rabbit and if I go to Boston then I will be sure to stop in for some awesome pizza.

rabbit · 01-24-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by InTheGenes

Get the point? While it's QUITE obvious that some foes of the homosexual community in our country (yourself included?) would seem to want to "keep gays in their place" by inhibiting their ability to have pride in who they are

Firstly, let's not start jumping to conclusions, I didn't create this thread to start fights and if people start insulting and fighting I'm going to have the thread closed so let's try to be friendly here.

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My question to you is: why is that form of expression any more threatening to you that any of the ones I mentioned above? Why are gays and lesbians any less deserving of that basic human right that is the birthright of every other citizen of this nation?

IMO, it's not just THIS form of pride that bothers me, I don't really like pride of any kind (I think it's slightly OK if you keep it to yourself and keep it IN CHECK), I'm a firm believer of the saying "Pride goes before a fall".

I think that if people prove their worth they wont have to MAKE others believe it by surrounding them with all kinds of things that tell them they should be accepting of whatever it is.

LakeTahoe · 01-24-2007, 01:49 PM

Yes it is a Lesbian town. I lived there for 4 years at Clarke School. So that's how I know. There's a college...Smith's College..that's for all women only. I am going back this June for first time since 1990!!! So I am kinda nervous because I haven't see friends for long time. So I am sure I'll be just fine!

I'll be sure to stop by that pizza place and try that pizza. There is other place called "PIG" I can't remember name of the pizza place...it has been too long. I think that's name of place. It is pretty good.

Hey Rabbit...if ya wanna meet somehow, PM me!

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Originally Posted by Heath

Hi Rabbit, I am surprised you live near Northampton, MA, That really is more of a lesbian town. I remember going to Northampton about 10 -15 years ago and they had some of the best pizza next door to a theatre but at that time it was Halloween so I think it was more of a museum in a theatre or something and that pizza shop was so small when I walked in to order some pizza and they truly are the world best pizza because they have everything, chicken pizza, vegetable pizza, I mean everything and you could see the pizza under the window on nicely placed racks. You could order by the slice or a whole pizza. It was mostly pick-up pizza because there really wasn't any place else to sit. I think they had only about 4 to 6 tables. That was it. That really was a very good place to eat pizza. I never have had pizza that so good ever since. Just wondering what the name of the pizza shop was please, if you know ?

Roadrunner · 01-24-2007, 01:59 PM

Mod Note:

Pizza information is showing up in this thread...unintentionally, but it would serve its purpose better if it was dealt in PMs or create a thread on it.

Got pizza? Go to the 'Food and Beverage' forum or use the PM feature here in AD....or better yet...go where they serve pizzas.

~RR

InTheGenes · 01-24-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbit

Firstly, let's not start jumping to conclusions, I didn't create this thread to start fights and if people start insulting and fighting I'm going to have the thread closed so let's try to be friendly here.

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Veiled insults are still insults. Reverse the implication of some of your and Vamp's posts, and I wonder how insulted YOU might feel, if the situations were reversed. Implying (or coming right out and SAYING) that having pride in being gay is something that should be "kept to one's self" is, in and of itself, insulting. So in that, my dear Rabbit, you fired the first salvo. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, especially giving your reply to my first post... but that doesn't mean that I'm going to sit on my hands while I watch some posters here imply that gays/lesbians are less worthy than straight people.

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Originally Posted by rabbit

IMO, it's not just THIS form of pride that bothers me, I don't really like pride of any kind (I think it's slightly OK if you keep it to yourself and keep it IN CHECK), I'm a firm believer of the saying "Pride goes before a fall".

And I'm a firm believer in "Live, and let live". Sorry to hear that pride of any kind bothers you (although to be honest, I find that a little hard to believe), but the fact remains that people deserve to feel pride in themselves for who they are, and to be quite honest, they don't really need your approval (or anyone else's) to do so.

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Originally Posted by rabbit

I think that if people prove their worth they wont have to MAKE others believe it by surrounding them with all kinds of things that tell them they should be accepting of whatever it is.

Which came first, the chicken, or the egg? I wonder why there might be a NEED for pride (gay, black, deaf, whatever). Could it be that there are people in this world who will go out of their way to constantly remind people that are "different" that they are not "equal to everybody else that's normal"?? Pride in who you are is less about the "boastful" kind of pride (that you say goeth before the fall), and more about the "self-esteem" kind. So, saying to someone that they're not deserving of taking pride in who they are is akin to saying they're not deserving of self-esteem. To which I say, :bs:!

And as for proving someone's worth... who has been appointed to judge whether someone is worthy? You? I'm sorry, but that statement made by you is ALSO offensive. You claim you didn't start this thread to start fights... but I wonder if you're giving enough consideration to how your own words are inflammatory.

Or... was your intention different than what you've claimed?

Tousi · 01-24-2007, 05:52 PM

Sounds to me like somebody's baiting......

Fly Free · 01-24-2007, 07:41 PM

VERY good posts u got InTheGenes! WTG!

02-05-2007, 08:10 PM

I have gay symbol of flag and my sig is about gay rights..

that why i annouce i'm gay because.. i want more ppl to realize me instead of ignoring me
because i dont have equal rights as straight's rights!

Sasha64 · 02-05-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Animal_Lover

I have gay symbol of flag and my sig is about gay rights..

that why i annouce i'm gay because.. i want more ppl to realize me instead of ignoring me
because i dont have equal rights as straight's rights!

Wow I didnt even know that was a gay symbol flag and thanks for giving me that information. Beautiful colours in those flag and just thought it was a rainbow colours but when u explain it i can now understand ur purpose of flying that flag. Good for you to announce to all of u of ur status and i respect you for that.

02-05-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasha64

Wow I didnt even know that was a gay symbol flag and thanks for giving me that information. Beautiful colours in those flag and just thought it was a rainbow colours but when u explain it i can now understand ur purpose of flying that flag. Good for you to announce to all of u of ur status and i respect you for that.

SEE! to make ppl realize!

thanks!!!

Lasza · 02-06-2007, 06:32 PM

Proud of being a part of GLBT community. But I have NO GUTS to put a sticker of gay rainbow or symbol on my van. One day, my van could be damage pretty bad by unknown people. Why should I pay $3 sticker for $500 or more on my auto insurance for damage or not. Best safe for no stickers around my van but one sticker for regristian on license plate, that's it.

I heard few stories in Texas. Someone damaged a car with a sticker of fish (Christian). I dont know why they done dumb thing to do.

02-06-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lasza

Proud of being a part of GLBT community. But I have NO GUTS to put a sticker of gay rainbow or symbol on my van. One day, my van could be damage pretty bad by unknown people. Why should I pay $3 sticker for $500 or more on my auto insurance for damage or not. Best safe for no stickers around my van but one sticker for regristian on license plate, that's it.

I heard few stories in Texas. Someone damaged a car with a sticker of fish (Christian). I dont know why they done dumb thing to do.

oh interesting...

christlovedeaf · 02-06-2007, 06:56 PM

Here in Ohio, got plenty of gays/lesbians communities. There's so much here and even have B R A D (Buckeye Rainbow Alliance for the Deaf). Yeah, gay is very promoting. But as a bumper sticker goes, yeah, i seen, christians and also, gay/lesbians stickers.

02-06-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by christlovedeaf

Here in Ohio, got plenty of gays/lesbians communities. There's so much here and even have B R A D (Buckeye Rainbow Alliance for the Deaf). Yeah, gay is very promoting. But as a bumper sticker goes, yeah, i seen, christians and also, gay/lesbians stickers.

interesting..there isnt many gay/lesbian ppl around i live..damn.. oh well

lucky u!

christlovedeaf · 02-06-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Animal_Lover

interesting..there isnt many gay/lesbian ppl around i live..damn.. oh well

lucky u!

where you live?

02-06-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by christlovedeaf

where you live?

in PA
near pittsburgh

christlovedeaf · 02-06-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Animal_Lover

in PA
near pittsburgh

5 hours from here, lol. pittsburgh has large gay communities. i sent your message on ur email. smile

02-06-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by christlovedeaf

5 hours from here, lol. pittsburgh has large gay communities. i sent your message on ur email. smile

well yea i went to pittsburgh everyday for my deaf school..i dont really see gay ppl

oh email? ok

christlovedeaf · 02-06-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Animal_Lover

well yea i went to pittsburgh everyday for my deaf school..i dont really see gay ppl

oh email? ok

aaah ok. smile

02-06-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by christlovedeaf

aaah ok. smile

yea..maybe i went to another side of pittsburgh.. oh well

christlovedeaf · 02-14-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Animal_Lover

yea..maybe i went to another side of pittsburgh.. oh well

jillio · 02-15-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HoHGuyOhio

Are you kidding me? Straight people flaunt the heterosexuality ALL DAY. If I go into a grocery store, there is a straight couple holding hands. If I go out to a movie, there are people kissing and putting their arms around each other. You flaunt your wedding rings and your anniversary celebrations.

When you stop voting for stupid republicans who want to outlaw gay marriage, when you start supporting candidates who are for EQUAL rights for all...then we won't NEED to have a rainbow sticker on our cars.

The fact of the matter is, because the majority of the population is straight, it is automatically assumed that people are straight--they don't have to declare it. If you want to make your sexual orientation a part of your identity, then you have to declare it.

Plus, the rainbow stickers warn the homophobics who to stay away from!

netrox · 03-05-2007, 10:43 AM

Ok, do you ever hear straights being killed for being straight? do you ever hear straights being scolded for being straight? Do you ever hear straights being told that they cannot talk about their relationships? Do you ever hear straights being denied the right to marry?

And you complain about gays trying to fight for their visibility?

BearBeauty · 03-10-2007, 03:47 PM

Interesting debate.... Can I share some info for the people who like rainbows??

A Gay friend once told me... and I'm quoting him on this

" The difference between the GLBT rainbow and the normal rainbow.. is that the gay rainbow only has 6 colors whereas the normal rainbow has 8 to 12 colors. So if you see a 6 color rainbow, it's a sign of GLBT."

That's what he told me.. Just thought I'd share that info.

personally, I don't mind if people show their pride... but I agree there are times it can be too much. I've seen a gay pride rally that went violent because of one simple question. I mean.. starting a fistfight because someone asked for information on GLBT and some websites? And no, it wasn't meant as a joke.. the person grew up really sheltered.. so he had no idea about GLBT.

Foxrac · 03-11-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Ok, do you ever hear straights being killed for being straight? do you ever hear straights being scolded for being straight? Do you ever hear straights being told that they cannot talk about their relationships? Do you ever hear straights being denied the right to marry?

And you complain about gays trying to fight for their visibility?

There's sooooo too many conservative people are from suburb in over USA except for LA metro, some area in CA, Honolulu metro and other several area that is more liberal.

nightcrickets · 03-14-2007, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HoHGuyOhio

Are you kidding me? Straight people flaunt the heterosexuality ALL DAY. If I go into a grocery store, there is a straight couple holding hands. If I go out to a movie, there are people kissing and putting their arms around each other. You flaunt your wedding rings and your anniversary celebrations.
.

in the 50's even heterosexuals considered kissing in public was wrong. And if you caught living with a boyfriend, you would considered as a whore. I know one a person who was forced to hide in a closet whenever a visitor came over because her mother and her grandmother did not want people know that her mother got pregnant out of wedlock. People still have that attitude about people who get pregnant out of wedlock or live with a boyfriend. I have heard over and over how family members will judge harshly over their son or daughters having sex or living together. So if gay think they are the only one with problems, they are wrong. I think the real issue is that straight men feel threatened to fact that every bathroom they go to, there might be a gay man looking at him lustfully. How many women would not mind if straight men (or opposite sex rather they are gay or straight) share the same public restroom with them? I bet none of them do. So in a way, it really isn't fair for straight men and women are forced share restrooms, dorms, or wherever their body could be exposed to homosexuals.

And I still think it is gross to watch straight couple kissing. Yuck! I remember seeing a couple (a man and a woman) on my school bus kissing for hours and I wanted to tell them to get a room.

Sometimes a couple's sexuality is exposed rather they want to or not if they got pregnant. When I was pregnant, I was embrassed to face the fact that everyone knows that I have been having sex.

03-14-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by nightcrickets

in the 50's even heterosexuals considered kissing in public was wrong. And if you caught living with a boyfriend, you would considered as a whore. I know one a person who was forced to hide in a closet whenever a visitor came over because her mother and her grandmother did not want people know that her mother got pregnant out of wedlock. People still have that attitude about people who get pregnant out of wedlock or live with a boyfriend. I have heard over and over how family members will judge harshly over their son or daughters having sex or living together. So if gay think they are the only one with problems, they are wrong. I think the real issue is that straight men feel threatened to fact that every bathroom they go to, there might be a gay man looking at him lustfully. How many women would not mind if straight men (or opposite sex rather they are gay or straight) share the same public restroom with them? I bet none of them do. So in a way, it really isn't fair for straight men and women are forced share restrooms, dorms, or wherever their body could be exposed to homosexuals.

And I still think it is gross to watch straight couple kissing. Yuck! I remember seeing a couple (a man and a woman) on my school bus kissing for hours and I wanted to tell them to get a room.

Sometimes a couple's sexuality is exposed rather they want to or not if they got pregnant. When I was pregnant, I was embrassed to face the fact that everyone knows that I have been having sex.

i went to deaf school, there is dorm in there and i'm day student but i stay there for one night cuz of dance party at night.. i went to shower.. all my deaf guys friend dont care if ppl are gay (as myself is gay) as long i respect their space and they respect my space and

.. we will be fine..

i'm sure there is homo ppl respect u and another ppl..

u just worry too much

InTheGenes · 03-15-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nightcrickets

in the 50's even heterosexuals considered kissing in public was wrong. And if you caught living with a boyfriend, you would considered as a whore. I know one a person who was forced to hide in a closet whenever a visitor came over because her mother and her grandmother did not want people know that her mother got pregnant out of wedlock. People still have that attitude about people who get pregnant out of wedlock or live with a boyfriend. I have heard over and over how family members will judge harshly over their son or daughters having sex or living together. So if gay think they are the only one with problems, they are wrong. I think the real issue is that straight men feel threatened to fact that every bathroom they go to, there might be a gay man looking at him lustfully. How many women would not mind if straight men (or opposite sex rather they are gay or straight) share the same public restroom with them? I bet none of them do. So in a way, it really isn't fair for straight men and women are forced share restrooms, dorms, or wherever their body could be exposed to homosexuals.

And I still think it is gross to watch straight couple kissing. Yuck! I remember seeing a couple (a man and a woman) on my school bus kissing for hours and I wanted to tell them to get a room.

Sometimes a couple's sexuality is exposed rather they want to or not if they got pregnant. When I was pregnant, I was embrassed to face the fact that everyone knows that I have been having sex.

Your post spoke in volumes about three things: fear, shame, and repressed sexuality.

Straight men feel threatened because every bathroom they go in, gay men are going to look at them lustfully? Are you kidding me? When I go to the restroom, I am there to take a crap, take a piss, or wash my hands. End of story. Why is it that gay people can't do ANYTHING without someone thinking that we're on the prowl? That is your neurosis at work, not our problem.

Are you suggesting there be different bathrooms for gay and straight people? Or perhaps gay people don't deserve to use public restroom facilities at all. Better we use our own toilets at home, and leave the public facilities to you poor defenseless straight people, huh? Gimme a break, that's just silly.

Yes, it's true, gay people admire members of their own sex, just as straight people admire members of the opposite sex. There's such a thing as propriety, however. Just because I might find someone attractive, doesn't mean that I'm going to jump his bones the moment he stands next to me at a public urinal. You must watch too much Queer As Folk.

(And for the record, my experience has been that some guys - regardless of their sexuality - check one another out from time to time. This mostly happened a lot during junior high and high school, when everyone was trying to see how they "measured up". This doesn't seem much different to me than women comparing their chests to one another.)

I'm sorry that watching straight people kissing distresses you so much. Again, that's your problem. The only problem I have with it is that I wish gay people had the freedom to do it, too. Other than that, I see nothing wrong with two people in love expressing their feelings for one another by kissing one another in public. Sure, there's such a thing as public lewdness, and it can certainly go too far... but just kissng? What is it about it that bothers you?

You were embarassed to be seen in public when pregnant because people then knew that you'd had sex? Good grief! Again, that's your personal shame at work. Sex is natural, and is nothing to be ashamed of. My guess is you were brought up to think that sex was bad? Be thankful that you're able to have children!

jillio · 03-16-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by InTheGenes

VamPyroX, you might consider examining just why this bothers you so much. On the surface, it seems irrational and petty.

Our nation is chock FULL of people who express personal pride in their everyday lives... whether they're wearing t-shirts proclaiming their support for a particular political candidate (or party), sporting bumper stickers to that effect, putting signs up in their yard (or apartment windows) proclaiming their support... to people with the "Christian fish" symbol or "What Would Jesus Do?" bumper stickers on their vehicles, to anti (and pro) abortion bumper stickers, to "My Child is an Honor Roll student at XYZ High School" bumper stickers, to "I Love My Pet Schnauzer" bumper stickers, to Italian-Americans wearing t-shirts proclaiming "Italians Do It Better", to "Kiss Me, I'm Irish" sweatshirts, etc.

Get the point? While it's QUITE obvious that some foes of the homosexual community in our country (yourself included?) would seem to want to "keep gays in their place" by inhibiting their ability to have pride in who they are, I'm sorry to tell them (and you) that there's such a thing in this country as freedom of speech, which is the concept of the inherent human right to voice one's opinion publicly without fear of censorship or punishment.

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution says that Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of "speech." Note that the document uses the word "speech," although a long succession of court decisions has expanded this concept far beyond ordinary verbal communication. Protected expression now includes such non-verbal expression as wearing a symbol on one's clothing, dance movements, and a silent candlelight vigil.

My question to you is: why is that form of expression any more threatening to you that any of the ones I mentioned above? Why are gays and lesbians any less deserving of that basic human right that is the birthright of every other citizen of this nation?

If the parades bother you, don't watch them. But that's the simple solution. Getting to the root of just WHY it bothers you so much is likely a more difficult journey of self-discovery. Well, take it from someone who knows: self-discovery is oftentimes not easy, but it's worth it.

Whew! Does this mean its okay to wear my I'm proud to be Irish t shirt on St. Paddy's Day?

01-24-2007, 12:57 PM	#31 (permalink)
Cheri Prayers for my dad. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 22,546	Is this thread about homosexual or pizza? it just made this thread turns to a different direction now. __________________ God didn't promise days without pain, laughter without sorrow and sun without rain, But God did promise strength for the day, comfort for the tears and light for the way.

01-24-2007, 01:27 PM	#32 (permalink)
Heath Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,986	I just asked a question because I had been through Northampton, MA before and had some of the world's best pizza there and I was just asking about where the name of the place was then you guys can go back to discussing the topic of homosexuality. I also had asked about the pizza in Northampton, MA a couple of years ago right here on alldeaf.com and I never really got an answer and now I did. Thank you Rabbit and if I go to Boston then I will be sure to stop in for some awesome pizza. Last edited by DreamDeaf; 01-24-2007 at 01:54 PM. Reason: Edited comment - cool it.

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01-24-2007, 01:59 PM	#35 (permalink)
Roadrunner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,090	Mod Note: Pizza information is showing up in this thread...unintentionally, but it would serve its purpose better if it was dealt in PMs or create a thread on it. Got pizza? Go to the 'Food and Beverage' forum or use the PM feature here in AD....or better yet...go where they serve pizzas. ~RR

01-24-2007, 05:52 PM	#37 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,550	Sounds to me like somebody's baiting......

02-05-2007, 08:10 PM	#39 (permalink)
Animal_Lover Guest Posts: n/a	I have gay symbol of flag and my sig is about gay rights.. that why i annouce i'm gay because.. i want more ppl to realize me instead of ignoring me because i dont have equal rights as straight's rights!

02-06-2007, 06:32 PM	#42 (permalink)
Lasza Premium Lurker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mile High State Posts: 2,509	Proud of being a part of GLBT community. But I have NO GUTS to put a sticker of gay rainbow or symbol on my van. One day, my van could be damage pretty bad by unknown people. Why should I pay $3 sticker for $500 or more on my auto insurance for damage or not. Best safe for no stickers around my van but one sticker for regristian on license plate, that's it. I heard few stories in Texas. Someone damaged a car with a sticker of fish (Christian). I dont know why they done dumb thing to do.

02-06-2007, 06:56 PM	#44 (permalink)
christlovedeaf Pices Guy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: toledo,ohio Posts: 1,868	Here in Ohio, got plenty of gays/lesbians communities. There's so much here and even have B R A D (Buckeye Rainbow Alliance for the Deaf). Yeah, gay is very promoting. But as a bumper sticker goes, yeah, i seen, christians and also, gay/lesbians stickers.

03-05-2007, 10:43 AM	#54 (permalink)
netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,898	Ok, do you ever hear straights being killed for being straight? do you ever hear straights being scolded for being straight? Do you ever hear straights being told that they cannot talk about their relationships? Do you ever hear straights being denied the right to marry? And you complain about gays trying to fight for their visibility?

03-10-2007, 03:47 PM	#55 (permalink)
BearBeauty Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 818	Interesting debate.... Can I share some info for the people who like rainbows?? A Gay friend once told me... and I'm quoting him on this " The difference between the GLBT rainbow and the normal rainbow.. is that the gay rainbow only has 6 colors whereas the normal rainbow has 8 to 12 colors. So if you see a 6 color rainbow, it's a sign of GLBT." That's what he told me.. Just thought I'd share that info. personally, I don't mind if people show their pride... but I agree there are times it can be too much. I've seen a gay pride rally that went violent because of one simple question. I mean.. starting a fistfight because someone asked for information on GLBT and some websites? And no, it wasn't meant as a joke.. the person grew up really sheltered.. so he had no idea about GLBT.