Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice? - Page 4

05-07-2007, 11:59 PM

Pro-Life.

halford · 05-08-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

I unds. I am expressing my concern here I was always Pro-lifer till saw lawmakers try to control women's right then I am slowing change my mind to Pro-choice. I am not going to tell women what to do with their bodies but I know my feeling, I hate abortions. It still is murder to abort unborn babies.

Just wondering if what you thought about the rights of the babies? What is the middle ground between the rights of the women and babies?

Women can do anything but who can protect the lives of innocent babies? There are laws to protect women but we need something to protect the babies. SD made a move to do this.

In the first place, why have sex without protection? Is it an outrage that women and men bemoan that they couldn't help it when they had chosen to have an unprotected sex? The babies are paying for the mother's choose to be foolish. They die for it... not their mistake but the mistakes of their mother.

Why not have pure love without sex? You do not need to have sex to show pure love or to prove that you love this person. When both man and woman make a vow to love each other rest of their lives, then have sex and have babies... (not necessarily to have sex to produce baby but only when they are ready).

I know ladies who had abortion and regretted for their choice to have abortion. Several of them lost the abilities to produce babies. They are now pro-lifers trying to help others understand the price they are paying. I didnt tell them to be a prolifer.

Even that woman who was responsible for the 1972 Ruling on abortion has changed her mind... she is now prolife. I know a nurse who quit working in abortion clinic because she could hear babies crying and screamed out during abortion process. It is really heartbreaking to know that the killings of thousands babies each day. I didnt tell them to be a prolifer.

Freedom is not really a freedom... blood is spilled so that we can have freedom (what about the soldier's freedom to live?). Freedom is not really freedom because it does have limitation - one cannot kill another person because one feel one have freedom to live whatever one wants. What about the freedom of those who are murdered? What of the freedom to live of the babies who were aborted? Freedom is being abused so one can kill a living person to live the way one wants. Yet abortion is here to kill living innocent babies to let a woman to do whatever they want. One must respect other's freedom to live in order to preserve freedom. Often you need to kill to preserve freedom and that only falls on soldiers and authorities like police. The police would arrest those gang members who murdered because they want to live the way they want... does it make sense to kill babies, not people?

This is just a common sense thinking to provoke some serious thinking. It is not an intend to open a can of worms but I just wanted to say something that most prolifers would agree with. If you pro-choicers disagree with this... that is fine... you are entiled to your opinion in the same way I in mine. I am not here to bash anyone. I read just about all the replies and disagreed with some of you but I ain't going to criticize you for your opinion.

I am not here to fish for more prolifers or shoot the pro-choicers... Keep that in your mind.

halford · 05-08-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Throwstones

<--- PRO-LIFE..... unborn babies are innocent and precious soul and human being. Why people want to abort unborn babies is because scare of having a baby??? or take a responsible for this??? Thousands of unborn babies are in Heaven now with our God the Father!

Youre a prolife? What about Hillary Clinton? Just curious if you knew?

Liebling:-))) · 05-09-2007, 05:19 AM

Halford, I agree everything what you say but you forget one thing is risk mother's life/health.

Check this link
Pro-choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It written "her health or life (or that of the fetus) is at risk, contraception was used but failed" is belongs to Pro-Choice, that's why I support this.

At first I thought I am for pro-life until I learn that I would make myself hypocrity if I support pro-life and agree to terminate a baby due mother's health/risk reason.

Don’t trivialize when a woman decides for not want to risk her life/health to carry her unborn baby to full term due the medical reasons, etc. It can be life-threatening for her. That's why I 'm for a pro-choice and support women's rights because every woman has the right to put her health first, no matter what. If you decide for Pro-Life which means is you put fetus rights first before mother's risk health.

If anyone who support pro-life which mean that woman scarifice her risk life for carry baby full term. I do not scarifice my life/health to give birth to baby that's why I am for pro-choice.

halford · 05-09-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Halford, I agree everything what you say but you forget one thing is risk mother's life/health.

Check this link
Pro-choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It written "her health or life (or that of the fetus) is at risk, contraception was used but failed" is belongs to Pro-Choice, that's why I support this.

At first I thought I am for pro-life until I learn that I would make myself hypocrity if I support pro-life and agree to terminate a baby due mother's health/risk reason.

Don’t trivialize when a woman decides for not want to risk her life/health to carry her unborn baby to full term due the medical reasons, etc. It can be life-threatening for her. That's why I 'm for a pro-choice and support women's rights because every woman has the right to put her health first, no matter what. If you decide for Pro-Life which means is you put fetus rights first before mother's risk health.

If anyone who support pro-life which mean that woman scarifice her risk life for carry baby full term. I do not scarifice my life/health to give birth to baby that's why I am for pro-choice.

A doctor in Atlanta, Ga told my former sister-in-law that her health would be in risk if she had a baby. She aborted the first one. but at her second pregancy, she ignored her dr's orders... she had a grand total of 4 children. Now doctors do not know everything.

I left out info about the risk of mother's life for a reason. It is not always true that the mother's life would be in risk.

Long ago a mother threw her newborn baby to the wolves so she can live. She was sentenced to prison for that. Question is: should it be ok to kill unborn baby while it is wrong to kill a newborn baby? That is a fine line there.

Kai Onca · 05-09-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Used to be a pro-choice, now I'm pro-life, my reason is simple, I've seen one woman who had 4 abortions and said if she became pregnant again, would do it again. That's the idea that shows me that there are careless people out in the society who thinks abortion is the only way out out of their problems without protection, when they should be having safe sex. Is it fair to kill an unborn baby just because one doesn't want to have safe sex?

wow, thats a horrible story to hear! I think that type of situtation should come up with the legislation people like her shold be sertlized permanmently tho I'm pro-choice

Kai Onca · 05-09-2007, 11:06 AM

I think the grass is greener on both sides for pro-life AND pro-choice

if a famous person of your country becomes ill and the only chance for his/her survival is to be hooked up to you for 9 months.....

you're suddenly hooked up and you feel the side effects and the pains and they increase in severity and intensity for 9 months , youre virtually a prisoner

As everyones reaction to support this famous person is totally being human, some people will do it and others wont for many different reasons and the bottom line is that we're all human beings and given the choice to be a human beings we are is a reward by itself

Let people choose to be Pro-Life, Let people choose to be Pro-Choice

So overall I'm pro-choice as it gives people an opportunity to be pro-life and pro-choice

tho when I'm re-reading it I somehow feel so hypocritial....

halford · 05-09-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kai Onca

I think the grass is greener on both sides for pro-life AND pro-choice

if a famous person of your country becomes ill and the only chance for his/her survival is to be hooked up to you for 9 months.....

you're suddenly hooked up and you feel the side effects and the pains and they increase in severity and intensity for 9 months , youre virtually a prisoner

As everyones reaction to support this famous person is totally being human, some people will do it and others wont for many different reasons and the bottom line is that we're all human beings and given the choice to be a human beings we are is a reward by itself

Let people choose to be Pro-Life, Let people choose to be Pro-Choice

So overall I'm pro-choice as it gives people an opportunity to be pro-life and pro-choice

tho when I'm re-reading it I somehow feel so hypocritial....

It never happeend... It will not happen.

What are you saying? When you feel so hypocritial, what will you do about it? Are you going to accept the fact that you are hypocrite and do nothing - brush it off? Or are you taking action and do something?

for the sake of the story.... I feel that this pro-lifer has made a great sacrifice for the country to save the important person. This person should be declared a great hero and there should be a National Day of prolifer to honor this person for the sacrifice. I am sure that the public would shun the pro-choicer and condemn this person for the choice of rejecting to help.

It is all about giving yourself or be selfish.

Cane Corso · 05-09-2007, 02:54 PM

pro choice! I do not care why or how because no one should be getting into anyone's business!

halford · 05-09-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

pro choice! I do not care why or how because no one should be getting into anyone's business!

no need to be on defense you chose to reveal your support and you need to expect discussion from others... If you do not want anyone to talk to you about this discussion, just stay out... youre welcome to watch...

Cane Corso · 05-09-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by halford

no need to be on defense you chose to reveal your support and you need to expect discussion from others... If you do not want anyone to talk to you about this discussion, just stay out... youre welcome to watch...

I gave out my simple opinion. I do not want to waste my time to make it more complex. Simple as that, who do you think you are?

halford · 05-10-2007, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

I gave out my simple opinion. I do not want to waste my time to make it more complex. Simple as that, who do you think you are?

who do I think I am..... I'm the plain ol'e Hal... heh

jasin · 05-14-2007, 10:20 PM

Pro-life! What is pro-choice after all? A choice to kill?

BearBeauty · 05-16-2007, 02:51 PM

pro- choice. I firmly believe it's the mother's choice. Sometimes there are reasons people don't understand.

halford · 05-16-2007, 10:44 PM

There are people who think that killing murderers who hurt and murdered people, is wrong, but its ok to kill innocent babies who never ever hurt anyone in their lives!

This a conflict here?

In the same way the courts look at abortion as a legal way to kill babies but when a person punches a prego woman in the womb which forced miscarrage, is considered an illegal murder!

Another conflict...

highlands · 05-20-2007, 04:11 PM

pro-life ! unless there is a serious reason for abortion.

webexplorer · 05-20-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

pro choice! I do not care why or how because no one should be getting into anyone's business!

Of course, it is so obvious!

webexplorer · 05-20-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

There are people who specifically seek out "handicapped" and bi-racial babies, and they still wait, or go to other countries. They aren't waiting just for white, "healthy" babies.

Not quite. It is cheaper for them to adopt a child in other country. Here is so expensive so they made their choice.

Most of people will not adopt an unhealthy child. It is very rare for someone to adopt unhealthy child. I guarantee that the child will not have a happy life with his/her profound disability. It is so awful expensive to have an insurance. The insurance company has no respect to help them with a reasonable price. The insurance agents are full of sinners.

webexplorer · 05-20-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Used to be a pro-choice, now I'm pro-life, my reason is simple, I've seen one woman who had 4 abortions and said if she became pregnant again, would do it again. That's the idea that shows me that there are careless people out in the society who thinks abortion is the only way out out of their problems without protection, when they should be having safe sex. Is it fair to kill an unborn baby just because one doesn't want to have safe sex?

That's because they are prostitutes, and they are not fully educated. The worse part is many Mexican women come our country to get a free clinic. It is unfair that we pay them to have an abortion. In truth, I respect all women in the US to make their own choice. You need a faith to repect our people. We should never control women's body for sake. So, in a case that you are preggy, and you want to have an abortion, you do not need to tell us about it. We should respect your privacy.

If we pass a new law to ban abortion in all states, we will have many crimes. We could send women in a prison for 20 to 40 years. It's because you are woman. It is easy for a Federal agent to target you just because you are female to make sure that you do not break the law. Isn't that sound scary to you? All you have to do is to leave them alone and make their choice. It is none of our business. That's why we need a balance.

Foxrac · 05-20-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

That's because they are prostitutes, and they are not fully educated. The worse part is many Mexican women come our country to get a free clinic. It is unfair that we pay them to have an abortion. In truth, I respect all women in the US to make their own choice. You need a faith to repect our people. We should never control women's body for sake. So, in a case that you are preggy, and you want to have an abortion, you do not need to tell us about it. We should respect your privacy.

If we pass a new law to ban abortion in all states, we will have many crimes. We could send women in a prison for 20 to 40 years. It's because you are woman. It is easy for a Federal agent to target you just because you are female to make sure that you do not break the law. Isn't that sound scary to you? All you have to do is to leave them alone and make their choice. It is none of our business. That's why we need a balance.

Yup, gotta agree with you.

I'm full pro-choice.

webexplorer · 05-20-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

I'm pro-life. Abortion=killing.

The only exception I have to this belief is if giving birth would kill the mother.

It's because some doctors are careless. They probably do not have a license because they failed the test that do not meet the safety.

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

Because adoption is a more ethical alternative--it gives the child a chance to live in a home where they are loved.

Some children commited suicide because they cannot find their real parents. It is so easy for you to say that to give a child a chance to live in a home. Not very many. Many children were abused and molestated by their foster parents. There is a lot of list on the Google.

Throwstones · 05-20-2007, 07:41 PM

If you do abort a greatest innocent unborn baby, the precious baby won't be here today to meet you in person!

webexplorer · 05-20-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Throwstones

If you do abort a greatest innocent unborn baby, the precious baby won't be here today to meet you in person!

It is none of your business. It's my body. You do not want to have an abortion, then do not abort your baby. Just keep your baby and be happy. That's all.

netrox · 05-21-2007, 12:39 AM

I am definitely pro-choice - meaning that I believe every woman is entitled to making choices regarding her pregnancy as long as she does not harm her fetus if she plans to keep her/him or kill her fetus to end the potential future.

Now, I think this may be confusing. The problem with people is that they tend to project their own personal experiences and emotions into fetuses which are totally clueless about "life" as we experience. Fetuses do not understand what "murder" is about. They do not even understand their own existence. They are merely behaving that's evident in all kinds of organisms - they'll react to touch and they'll try to escape anything that's considered painful. That's the rule of survival but that "survival" is purely reflex, not emotional that we've acquired as we grow. With that simple fact in mind, abortion is not as evil as you may think even though it is bloody and horrible to see.

What's truly evil is how the government wants to dictate a woman's right to make decisions for her reproductive choices. It's far more evil than having abortion.

Foxrac · 05-21-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

It is none of your business. It's my body. You do not want to have an abortion, then do not abort your baby. Just keep your baby and be happy. That's all.

Woot, you got right...

05-09-2007, 05:19 AM	#94 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) My 3 darling princesses Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 27,054	Halford, I agree everything what you say but you forget one thing is risk mother's life/health. Check this link Pro-choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It written "her health or life (or that of the fetus) is at risk, contraception was used but failed" is belongs to Pro-Choice, that's why I support this. At first I thought I am for pro-life until I learn that I would make myself hypocrity if I support pro-life and agree to terminate a baby due mother's health/risk reason. Don’t trivialize when a woman decides for not want to risk her life/health to carry her unborn baby to full term due the medical reasons, etc. It can be life-threatening for her. That's why I 'm for a pro-choice and support women's rights because every woman has the right to put her health first, no matter what. If you decide for Pro-Life which means is you put fetus rights first before mother's risk health. If anyone who support pro-life which mean that woman scarifice her risk life for carry baby full term. I do not scarifice my life/health to give birth to baby that's why I am for pro-choice. __________________

05-09-2007, 02:54 PM	#99 (permalink)
Cane Corso Please Boycott China Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Southwest Posts: 666	pro choice! I do not care why or how because no one should be getting into anyone's business! __________________ French Ring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfBY9X1CaiQ Wow! 100 points in obedience! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYxz9M9TuqI

05-20-2007, 04:11 PM	#106 (permalink)
highlands In Love & Happy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in an inland city Posts: 4,168	pro-life ! unless there is a serious reason for abortion. __________________

05-20-2007, 07:41 PM	#112 (permalink)
Throwstones Deaf Mime Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 548	If you do abort a greatest innocent unborn baby, the precious baby won't be here today to meet you in person! __________________ Sen. Hillary Clinton for President 2008!

05-21-2007, 12:39 AM	#114 (permalink)
netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,183	I am definitely pro-choice - meaning that I believe every woman is entitled to making choices regarding her pregnancy as long as she does not harm her fetus if she plans to keep her/him or kill her fetus to end the potential future. Now, I think this may be confusing. The problem with people is that they tend to project their own personal experiences and emotions into fetuses which are totally clueless about "life" as we experience. Fetuses do not understand what "murder" is about. They do not even understand their own existence. They are merely behaving that's evident in all kinds of organisms - they'll react to touch and they'll try to escape anything that's considered painful. That's the rule of survival but that "survival" is purely reflex, not emotional that we've acquired as we grow. With that simple fact in mind, abortion is not as evil as you may think even though it is bloody and horrible to see. What's truly evil is how the government wants to dictate a woman's right to make decisions for her reproductive choices. It's far more evil than having abortion. __________________

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05-09-2007, 11:06 AM	#97 (permalink)
Kai Onca Save the RAINFOREST Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Wandering through the Mist of Time Posts: 914	I think the grass is greener on both sides for pro-life AND pro-choice if a famous person of your country becomes ill and the only chance for his/her survival is to be hooked up to you for 9 months..... you're suddenly hooked up and you feel the side effects and the pains and they increase in severity and intensity for 9 months , youre virtually a prisoner As everyones reaction to support this famous person is totally being human, some people will do it and others wont for many different reasons and the bottom line is that we're all human beings and given the choice to be a human beings we are is a reward by itself Let people choose to be Pro-Life, Let people choose to be Pro-Choice So overall I'm pro-choice as it gives people an opportunity to be pro-life and pro-choice tho when I'm re-reading it I somehow feel so hypocritial....

05-14-2007, 10:20 PM	#103 (permalink)
jasin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Puyallup, Washington Posts: 779	Pro-life! What is pro-choice after all? A choice to kill?

05-16-2007, 02:51 PM	#104 (permalink)
BearBeauty Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 818	pro- choice. I firmly believe it's the mother's choice. Sometimes there are reasons people don't understand.

05-16-2007, 10:44 PM	#105 (permalink)
halford DieHard Tarheel Join Date: May 2005 Location: B'ham, AL Posts: 175	There are people who think that killing murderers who hurt and murdered people, is wrong, but its ok to kill innocent babies who never ever hurt anyone in their lives! This a conflict here? In the same way the courts look at abortion as a legal way to kill babies but when a person punches a prego woman in the womb which forced miscarrage, is considered an illegal murder! Another conflict...

05-21-2007, 10:15 AM	#116 (permalink)
Cheri Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio