Audiofuzzy

Ok, so what's the point of you saying constantly "Germany this, Germany that?"

If you say """All what I said is ILLEGAL to abuse animals like this here in Germany "" you IMPLY "maybe it is allowed in USA, but Germany.."

I suggest you should stop for a minute, and think how you may come accross when you say things like that.


Fuzzy

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Reba

You might find this report interesting:

http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/printhalalstudy.htm

It explains a lot.

Reba

You also might be interested in this:

The Halal Study

It answers some of your questions.

Foxrac

It can be both of natural and artificial for protein pills.

Look at dreama's post.

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dreama

I started reading it but it made me see red. I just couldn't read it after it said about scientific evaluation of animals need being preferable to animal welfare(never mind RIGHTS). All I can say is I hope the guy who wrote that comes back as an animal and gets tortured to death in a labortory. Then they can talk about scientific evaluation of animals!

It basicly promotes animal cruelty. That's all there is to it.

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Hwy99

The eggs are not develop any baby inside, it's normal that chickens just drop the eggs without developing the baby. If the egg is really develop the baby then it should have RED blood inside, possible orange too. So I don't feel any problem with eating the eggs.

About diary, if you are vegan, then yes you can't eat ANYTHING that are diary, but as being vegetarian myself, I can eat the diary because I don't feel any problem about eating the diary while it doesn't kill the animals.

I did create the thread "Fruitarianism" at the Health section

No. Not only vegetables, I am a vegetarian so I eat eggs and diary too, just no meats that's all. I get my proteins alot from the eggs, also I eat the fruits to have vitnams. I also mix the vegetables during the cooking to have enough proteins. There is many ways to get well balance as being vegetarians, that applies to vegans too.

Haha it's he

I was about to tell ya hehe

Liebling:-)))

[QUOTE]Yes I know it me total that German Judge allow Muslims and Jews do that for "religions purposal". It me total because I don't like to see animal suffer with pain... I know how pain feeling when Muslims and Jews cut animal's throat and let them suffer with pain slowly to death... I don't go to Muslim butcher shop...

One thing I really don't understand German Justice system anymore is: Honor killing is not acceptance accord Muslim's belief accord German law but accept what/how Muslims treat animals like this.

Yes, we have slaughter houses here in Germany. They MUST follow the rules how to treat the animal before killed them. They should killed fast as possible with no suffer pain. That's how I learn from my friend who work for slaughter house. He told me the story about his work place. The animals from any farms are transport to slaughter house and don't kill them straight way but leave animal there for a while to weeks then kill them. I only know about German law but I has no idea about other countries law how to treat animals in slaughter house before kill them. All what I saw from TV and videos... It's really and terrible to treat animal with suffer pain.

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your description about cutting the hand off remind me of my vacation in Africa. I withnessed the children with no hand but show some venes... I never, never, never forget what I saw them in real life and ask the Tourist Guide what it is because it's not first but more children like this. He explain that they are punish for steal the foods, etc. A lot of people due their beliefs have no feeling for animals and think they are only "thing"

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Liebling:-)))

I only say what I know about German law because I live in Germany, not other countries. I should not say that I know everything about other countries because I don't live there and don't know their laws either.

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Yes I realized that we made on your thread "Pro-choice vs Pro-life". I'm sorry that we ignored your thread title and will try to get Moderator to move our posts over other thread with title "slaughterhouse".

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Liebling:-)))

stunning - something with electricial tool (I don't know which right name) to kill animal fast within seconds.

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Liebling:-)))

Yes, your post support my knowledge but it look like that you pick on my grammar or what?

Oh yes, animals are dead already as they butcher them after stunned them with electricial tool. (I don't know the type of electricial tool, they use to animal). They make sure they are really dead before butcher them because they should not have pain...


Anyway, Reba. Thank for provide 2 links. It support my friend's knowledge because he work for slaughter house. They make sure that animals won't suffer pain and fear too long before they are dead. Yes, I know that Germany is a first country who fixed the Animal Right/Welfare.

I am against Muslim and Jew's belief for let animal suffer pain and fear until they are dead... because animals SHOULD be dead within seconds with no pain and fear.

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Tousi

Leibling, I know what stunning is and it does NOT kill animals fast; it is a mild shock administered to them. I was just asking another question......you know the rest.

Liebling:-)))

Okay, What about the surgeon did to patients on the operation table? Of course they did not kill patients but make sure they won't suffer pain before they "butcher" their bodies. I do not have pain feeling as they did on me because I was deep sleep like dead. It's an exact same with animals.

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Fuzzy, If i remember right, she is NOT a natural born German, she is
from England!

Liebling:-)))

Yes, that's right I am British and married a German and live in Germany for almost 22 years since 1985.

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Hi Aders

Could you please paste our posts here over my thread.
World Slaughter House

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Mistyrose

Oh, ok thats what i thought too since i googled on that and all..
I realized that you can get proteins in other ways like veggies
but you have to eat a lot of them since they contain only mere
grams of proteins but like you said you can get them from nuts,
seeds, etc. and soybeans are excellent too.
It is good and healthy way and besides too much meat is not
good for you, i told my hubby that, he got annoyed about it though,
ha. He is a meat and junk food lover..oh well.

pek1

I shortened the start of the thread for brevity.

How do I stand on abortion? I am Pro-NOYFBHISOA (translation, caps on first words only): None Of Your F**king Business How I stand On Abortion.

Next question.

How do I stand on Gay Rights and Gay Marriage? Okay, I will answer. The Civil Rights of 1964 gives all of us, regardless of our skin pigment, civil rights. I have friends that are not gay, I have friends that are gay. Do I laugh at gays being put down? I heard a lot of this in a "Christian" college in Crown Point, Indiana that was associated with the First Baptist Church of Hammond. It makes me sad. What's next? Making fun of crippled people? Deaf or hoh people? People like this make my blood boil: WARNING PAGE View it at your own risk.

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Aleser

Hey, step off. Some countries -do- follow law based on the islamic interpretation. While muslims are not allowed to alter laws based on what the quran would outline them doing, they ARE allowed religious freedoms outside of that scope.

Killing animals without stunning them isn't "inhumane" any more than other slaughter methods. I'm a vegan personally, but I am fully in support of brothers and sisters who choose to follow a meat-eating halal diet.

No, I don't know what some muslims are like. You don't see me "making a musical" the countless times I've had people push and shove at me, call me names as innovative as "terrorist" and "go back to where you came from", and as a personal favorite, "sand ******". You don't read news articles about every time I've had someone pull off my hijab. Nobody has to know about the broken windows and spray paints and all sorts of enjoyable attacks local halal restaurants face, never mind someone throwing a whole dead PIG in the parking lot of my masjid.

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webexplorer

Are Muslims allowed to sing or music at their Mosque (church?)? Why they use a soap box on the rug for praying? Is it for cleaning their sin?

I noticed that women aren't allowed at the Mosque. Do they alternative to use the water can in the bathroom sitting on a toilet and pour it to clean their vagina? I didn't want to laugh about it and respect them what they do for their religious.

Do you mean that in my country calling you names? That's ridiculous. I'm surprised about that.

Aleser

1: Muslims bicker between themselves on this issue. As a general agreement, while SOME muslims might believe all forms of music that doesn't include non-muslim topics is okay, inside the masjid only music that -doesn't- contain any instruments is okay. Some would go as far as to say not to use a singing voice inside a masjid, but that's not really as common.

2: Women ARE to be allowed in any masjid. However, the islamic rules about men and women not mingling are in full force there, so we (duh) have seperate areas to make wudu, and pray in seperate areas. That means sometimes that women pray behind all men, or behind a devider/curtain. Some have a room specifically for women, which is nice when they have young children with them and all.

Attending a mosque is ONLY an obligation for men, but women can and do frequent prayers. Many mosques are more or less multi-purpose islamic centers, so they also have classes specifically for sisters only.

Yes, I do mean that in the US. Close-minded people are everywhere, I'm afraid.

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Reba

I thought we couldn't discuss our religions here?

webexplorer

Our posts are melted on this forum. It's ok to read something a little bit different which isn't that bad. There are hundreds of issues all over the place on this site.

Reba

It's Alex's rule, not mine.

Religion forum is now closed

I would love to discuss religion here. But it's not allowed.

Maria

You are right. We couldn't discuss our religions as Alex made a rule for everyone not to talk about it.

Or did he allow it as long as there's no finger-pointin' or insultin' or bashin' ? ....

Reba

Maybe the rule applies just to Christians.

Maria

Maybe ! I know it is harmless to talk about it, but....

There's one thread I read from one of MODS and I felt bad when I read it...sayin' things disrespectfully against the One we love the most.

Foxrac

No, it does applied in general, all of religions.

Alex and other mod can be overlooked in any thread.

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dreama

Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. I will always think cutting an animals throat while fully concious is unethnical though and if they don't like it they don't have to eat meat period. I'm glad you are vegan though.

I'm aware that muslims do get discriminated against too. Although some (not all) muslims are very much into discriminating against others which is why neither of my guide dogs would work properly in an area near where I live where there are a lot of muslims living. I used to donate frequently to their charity shop 'Islamic relief' but then someone else was running the shop once and they were really funny about me using a guide dog even though I often donated to them in the past. I don't take Jilli to that area any more because she's been chucked out of shops so often that she won't willingly go into any shop wether run by muslims or not. It does make me feel very angry when I've just taken my sick rat to the vet. It's late at night and the taxi that the vet's called for me drove away because they didn't want a dog in their taxi. I was lucky the vets remained open past closing time so they could get me another taxi.

I am not against all muslims though. Just the ones that throw tantrums everywhere, and otherwise don't behave. I mean the extremist muslims. I'm ok with muslims that behave properly.

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