Castrated Child Molester - Page 2

Heath · 07-04-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by redailing

What about the 18 year old girl who has sex with her 17 year old boyfriend? The electric chair?

Well .... I was thinking more along the lines of violent sex crimes or clear cut cases of sexual abuse.

Of course, I probably would tell that girl he is still in school and has not graduated from high school yet and he is only 17 and living with his parents.

Most girls don't turn out to be sick type of people towards children.

I would say use common sense when applying justice here.

LuciaDisturbed · 07-04-2006, 07:08 PM

My father was 28 and my mother 16 when I was born.

That's statuatory rape.

I wish my dad was in jail.

He is an asshole.

IslandGal · 07-04-2006, 07:37 PM

I really do not understand how some people have the nerve to say to give the sex offenders another chance in society

redailing · 07-04-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath

Most girls don't turn out to be sick type of people towards children.

I would say use common sense when applying justice here.

Most boys don't, either.

In any case, common sense is great except where it doesn't apply. How can you realistically apply common sense to something as horrific as child molestation? Or murder? Or vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated? Or armed robbery?

We have laws so that we don't have to refer to a chimeric "common sense" which is common only in the sense that it's the way I think things should be, for limited values of I.

redailing · 07-04-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

I really do not understand how some people have the nerve to say to give the sex offenders another chance in society

I find it to be the height of hubris to claim that some people aren't worth helping.

Oceanbreeze · 07-04-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by redailing

Keep in mind that the term "Sex offender" is an incredibly broad term, and all the negative connotations that are attached aren't necessarily warranted. What about the 18 year old boy who gets caught having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend? Press charges, and he's on a list, and you're horrified he's living in the same building. "Sex offenders" are painted with a very wide brush, and for every sicko who gets off on luring little kids to their ruin, there's four college frat guys who were dared to moon the local sorority on parent's night. These are the kinds of things that are called sex offense.

You make a good point. This is why I believe alot of the laws in our country need to be changed. We need to protect our children, but we also need to protect our innocent. We can't lump everything in one category and treat it all the same way. It won't work. However, I still believe that we must protect our children over all else.

LuciaDisturbed · 07-04-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by redailing

Drunk drivers kill thousands yearly. Should we have a list, a registry, because they're likely to drive drunk again? Why even bother with programs like Al-anon? Why take the chance?

Yes!

And they should lose their licenses permanmently and indefinitely. Not ever be allowed to drive ever again. And their cars impounded and confiscated.

redailing · 07-04-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

Yes!

And they should lose their licenses permanmently and indefinitely. Not ever be allowed to drive ever again. And their cars impounded and confiscated.

Of course, this is analogous to castration. But castration isn't enough, why should taking away these people's cars? We should just leave them in prison forever. They have nothing left positive to contribute to society, right?

We should do that with burglars, too. And people who commit insurance fraud. And speeders.

pek1 · 07-04-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

What makes you think that he is no longer a threat to children?

I don't, but he has served his time. It's time to turn him loose. It's not legal to keep him past this time, regardless. Now it comes down to his civil liberties.

pek1 · 07-04-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

No longer a threat?

Would you . . . ? Can you . . . ?

If a sex offender/child molester was to move in next door and I had children . . . They still and always will be a threat to society.

LuciaDisturbed,

I cut your responses for a reason, as they settle on the "what if's." Well, dang, what if I get into a car accident today? What if I don't get the contract? What if I get mugged today? What if? We live in a fear-based society today; he served his time and it is in violation of the Constitution to keep him. If he offends again, then back to square one, but until then, this man has served his time and there is no constitutional reason why his rights are now being violated.

To answer your question, I would have no problem or concerns. However, if he blatently said, "man, when I get out, I'm gonna rape and sodomize everyone I can find and I will not stop." Then, I would have a problem. In the meantime, I don't, and neither should you or anyone else.

pek1 · 07-04-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by redailing

We should do that with burglars, too. And people who commit insurance fraud. And speeders.

And people who have sex outside of marriage. And people who take four parking spaces so their vehicle doesn't get dinged.

LuciaDisturbed · 07-05-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pek1

And people who have sex outside of marriage. And people who take four parking spaces so their vehicle doesn't get dinged.

LOL my next door neighbor takes up 2 parking spaces to park her SUV, and it really annoys my boyfriend. One of the spaces is the one that my boyfriend likes to park in.

Oceanbreeze · 07-05-2006, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by redailing

Of course, this is analogous to castration. But castration isn't enough, why should taking away these people's cars? We should just leave them in prison forever. They have nothing left positive to contribute to society, right?

We should do that with burglars, too. And people who commit insurance fraud. And speeders.

So, are you saying violent sex offenders are treatable? They're not!

**Liebling:-)))** · 07-05-2006, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by redailing

Keep in mind that the term "Sex offender" is an incredibly broad term, and all the negative connotations that are attached aren't necessarily warranted. What about the 18 year old boy who gets caught having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend? Press charges, and he's on a list, and you're horrified he's living in the same building. "Sex offenders" are painted with a very wide brush, and for every sicko who gets off on luring little kids to their ruin, there's four college frat guys who were dared to moon the local sorority on parent's night. These are the kinds of things that are called sex offense.

Recidivism is an interesting occurrence. Generally, the chance of returning to a crime decreases substantially when the perpetrator has a strong support network helping him stay clean, as it were. How many support networks are there to help some guy who did a horrible thing, that he can't ever erase from his memory, and can barely stand to live with how he hurt some family? He doesn't want to do it again, but he doesn't know how to stop. He doesn't know how to stop because whenever anyone finds out what he did, the immediate and universal reaction is one of utter revulsion.

I know it's not nice to contemplate, but good people can do horrible evil things, just as horrible, evil people can do very good things.

You made a good point

example what Netrox stated in his post.

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It all depends on each individual. Some deserve to rot in prison, some deserve a chance.

I can image what if 19 years old teenager are being stamp as "Sex Offender" because he or she have sex with 17 years old teenager and then scare parents away if they found out they are "sex offender" which is bad.

Other subject about Sex Offenders who do anything with small children deserve to suffer in prison for years and then get better chance when they are out of prison.

I was victim of abuse by my step-dad in the past and know what it alike. I would be satisfy if the court make right decision to put him in jail for long years for did to me, my siblings and mom but he didn't which it does bother us total but I have to accept and move on with my life.

I know for the sure, if you are being victim and will be happy and relieve with court's decision to put sex offender to jail for long years because he or she deserve his or her punishment. Their punishment are enough to satisfy you but you can't do anything with him or her but accept that he or she are out of prison.

It's bad if sex offender did not stay in jail but run around to "enjoy themselves".

Sex Offender need to stay at mental hospitail rest of life if he/she repeat his/her good chance.

redailing · 07-05-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

So, are you saying violent sex offenders are treatable? They're not!

Sources?

I'll cite one from Texas that would say they are.
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/csot/csot_teffective.shtm

Specifically, this phrase:

In 2000 Hanson found that the overall effect of treatment demonstrated reductions in both sexual recidivism (10% of the treated subjects to 17% of untreated) and general recidivism (32% for treated subjects to 51% of untreated subjects).

The rest of it has interesting data, too. What can you cite to say they're untreatable?

Oceanbreeze · 07-05-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by redailing

Sources?

I'll cite one from Texas that would say they are.
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/csot/csot_teffective.shtm

Specifically, this phrase:

In 2000 Hanson found that the overall effect of treatment demonstrated reductions in both sexual recidivism (10% of the treated subjects to 17% of untreated) and general recidivism (32% for treated subjects to 51% of untreated subjects).

The rest of it has interesting data, too. What can you cite to say they're untreatable?

I found a source to suggest that recividism rates are ambiguous. Therefore, it looks like we can call this one a draw. I will thus standby my position that we must protect our children by any legal means necessary. It's clear our laws need to be changed, so lets change them.

http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html

IslandGal · 07-05-2006, 03:10 PM

A lot of children were sexually assaulted and/or murdered by repeated sex offenders who were set free into the society. If they weren't set free then these children would still be alive

Oceanbreeze · 07-05-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

A lot of children were sexually assaulted and/or murdered by repeated sex offenders who were set free into the society. If they weren't set free then these children would still be alive

You're absolutely correct!

IslandGal · 07-05-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

You're absolutely correct!

I cannot understand how some people could go soft on the sex offenders. I guess they don't feel some sadness in them about these innocent children

Oceanbreeze · 07-05-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

I cannot understand how some people could go soft on the sex offenders. I guess they don't feel some sadness in them about these innocent children

I guess not.

**Maria** · 07-05-2006, 03:41 PM

I wonder if, that " sex " has become too "addict " for sex offenders ?

me_punctured · 07-05-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberRed

I wonder if, that " sex " has become too "addict " for sex offenders ?

I wouldn't say that 'sex addicts' and 'sex offenders' are interchangeable. The latter is much more interested in power control, not the act of sex itself. They just utilize sexual intercourse in various ways to dominate their victims.

Oceanbreeze · 07-05-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by me_punctured

I wouldn't say that 'sex addicts' and 'sex offenders' are interchangeable. The latter is much more interested in power control, not the act of sex itself. They just utilize sexual intercourse in various ways to dominate their victims.

redailing · 07-05-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

I cannot understand how some people could go soft on the sex offenders. I guess they don't feel some sadness in them about these innocent children

That's an awfully big logical leap. Compassion can stretch in many directions. I am fully capable of being deeply grieved by the harm caused to the children, and also wanting to see a chance at a life for people who've done bad things. These are not mutually exclusive. You don't have to be callous and uncaring toward the victims in order to feel compassion for the perpetrators.

Mercy is a wonderful, powerful tool. It doesn't just have to go to the deserving.

IslandGal · 07-05-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by redailing

That's an awfully big logical leap. Compassion can stretch in many directions. I am fully capable of being deeply grieved by the harm caused to the children, and also wanting to see a chance at a life for people who've done bad things. These are not mutually exclusive. You don't have to be callous and uncaring toward the victims in order to feel compassion for the perpetrators.

Mercy is a wonderful, powerful tool. It doesn't just have to go to the deserving.

So they can hurt more children again? This is sex offenders that we are talking about in here. Don't tell me you have never heard stories about these repeated sex offenders who have hurt and murdered more children after they were released from prisons or mental hospitals? You need to open up your eyes to the sick world out there! We need to protect our helpless children from these monsters.

Oceanbreeze · 07-05-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

So they can hurt more children again? This is sex offenders that we are talking about in here. Don't tell me you have never heard stories about these repeated sex offenders who have hurt and murdered more children after they were released from prisons or mental hospitals? You need to open up your eyes to the sick world out there! We need to protect our helpless children from these monsters.

Amen!

The idea that someone would find compassion for these degenerates is sickening to me.

Opal · 07-06-2006, 02:58 AM

It is not too late to tell Police, if it happen 10 or 20 years ago, they will arrest, better late than never.

I can't understand why some victims refused to report this issue!!

Heath · 07-06-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Opal

It is not too late to tell Police, if it happen 10 or 20 years ago, they will arrest, better late than never.

I can't understand why some victims refused to report this issue!!

The problem is fear and that is totally understandable. It does take alots of courage to come forwards and it is natural for people who have been sexually abused to be fearful about coming forwards. That is intensely personal and very embarrassing and it shocks people to the core and they may not believe the victim who has finally come forward after so many years suffering in silence. It is not that easy.

**TweetyBird** · 07-06-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

No longer a threat?

Would you allow him near your children? (I don't know if you have any, but suppose if you did....) Can you trust him?

If a sex offender/child molester was to move in next door and I had children...I would be sooooooo

.

I do not trust sex offenders/child molesters at all. Not even if they have already done hard time in prison. They still and always will be a threat to society.

yea i agree with u!

Oceanbreeze · 07-06-2006, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Opal

It is not too late to tell Police, if it happen 10 or 20 years ago, they will arrest, better late than never.

I can't understand why some victims refused to report this issue!!

*sigh*

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