Marijuana - Page 9

PowerON · 05-14-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

That's pity, you gave the source is old research before 2005. What I gave this one is couple months ago with new n' fresh information from the research.

PuyoPiyo · 05-14-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

That's pity, you gave the source is old research before 2005. What I gave this one is couple months ago with new n' fresh information from the research.

2 years seperate is not so long time ago, plus your link are about the toxic of marijuana and tobacco, my link shows how come people don't get killed by marijuana like tobacco.

PuyoPiyo · 05-14-2008, 01:08 PM

More informations about marijuana vs tobacco.

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Don't alcohol and tobacco use already cause enough damage to society? Why should we legalize another intoxicant?

While there are indeed health and societal problems due to the use of alcohol and nicotine, these negative consequences would be amplified if consumption of either substance were prohibited.

Marijuana is already the third most popular recreational drug in America, despite harsh laws against its use. Millions of Americans smoke it responsibly. Our public policies should reflect this reality, not deny it.

In addition, marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. It fails to inflict the types of serious health consequences these two legal drugs cause. Around 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning. Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking. By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose. According to the prestigious European medical journal, The Lancet, "The smoking of cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health. It would be reasonable to judge cannabis as less of a threat than alcohol or tobacco."

No one is suggesting we encourage more drug use; simply that we stop arresting responsible marijuana smokers. In recent years, we have significantly reduced the prevalence of drunk driving and tobacco smoking. We have not achieved this by prohibiting the use of alcohol and tobacco or by targeting and arresting adults who use alcohol and tobacco responsibly, but through honest educational campaigns. We should apply these same principles to the responsible consumption of marijuana. The negative consequences primarily associated with marijuana -- such as an arrest or jail time -- are the result of the criminal prohibition of cannabis, not the use of marijuana itself.

FAQ's - NORML

A doctor that research the marijuana and tobacco smokers.

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Newsgroups: alt.hemp
From: Christopher Clay <cclay@icis.on.ca>
Subject: Marijuana Safer than Tobacco - Medical Post, Sept./94
Message-ID: <DAqnxA.Awz@icis.on.ca>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:15:10 GMT

Marijuana Less Harmful to Lungs
than Cigarettes
by Louise Gagnon
Medical Post, Sept. 6 1994

L'ESTEREL, Quebec -- Heavy marijuana smokers show less evidence
of lung injury than heavy tobacco smokers, and it may be
cannabinoids that are protecting them from developing a condition
like emphysema.

That's according to the principal investigator of a study done at
the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA).

Speaking at the third annual meeting of the International
Cannabis Research Society here, Dr. Donald Tashkin, a
pulmonologist and UCLA professor of medicine, concluded heavy
marijuana use did not cause the same degree of lung injury as
tobacco smoke.

"My own feeling is that marijuana smokers probably will not
develop emphysema as a consequence of smoking marijuana," he
said, but cautioned that does not rule out the development of
other conditions like respiratory carcinoma.

"It may be that the THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) in
marijuana could have different effects on inflammatory cells,
which may mediate injury in the lung."

His study, which aimed to measure the pulmonary effects of
habitual marijuana use, followed nine tobacco smokers, 10
marijuana smokers, 10 nonsmokers and four smokers of both
marijuana and tobacco. He gave both quantitative and qualitative
explanations for his finding.

Marijuana users in the study smoked three or four joints daily
for 15 years on average, while tobacco smokers in the study
smoked 25 cigarettes daily over a period of 20 years, indicating
a marked difference in exposure to smoke.

"There is a seven-fold difference in the amount of smoke to which
marijuana and tobacco smokers are exposed," he said.

"It's the quantitative difference in smoke exposure that might
explain the difference in the degree of lung injury as assessed
by these physiologic indices."

Moreover, the phagocytes gathered from the lungs of marijuana
smokers do not have the same properties as those gathered from
the lungs of tobacco smokers.

"We have previously shown that the macrophages that are harvested
from the rinse-out of the lungs of marijuana smokers seem not to
be activated," he said. "They do not release toxic oxygen
species, either under basal conditions or under stimulated
conditions nearly to the extent that tobacco macrophages do. If
anything, basal secretion of superoxide seems to be reduced in
the marijuana smokers."

Dr. Tashkin measured the clearance of the molecule diethylene
triamine penta-acetate (DTPA) from the lung, believed to be a
more sensitive indicator of lung injury than measuring the lung's
diffusing capacity.

If DTPA clearance is accelerated, then it implies an increase in
the leakiness of the alveolar epithelial membrane, which implies
injury to the membrane, he said.

Dr. Tashkin noted DTPA clearance is accelerated in tobacco smoke-
related lung injury.

Initially, the chronic effects of marijuana smoke were measured
in comparison to those of tobacco smoke: DTPA clearance was
measured at about 12 hours after the last marijuana or tobacco
cigarette smoked.

To determine the acute effects of marijuana and tobacco smoking,
Dr. Tashkin restudied these smokers a week or two later, giving
them a single joint of marijuana or a single tobacco cigarette or
both, and then measuring DTPA clearance 15 minutes subsequently.

"What we found was the clearance of DTPA was abnormally rapid
from the lung in the tobacco smokers," he said. "It was about
twice the rate of non-smokers. In the marijuana smokers, there
was a tendency toward a much less rapid rate of clearance. There
was no acute effect in either tobacco or marijuana, and there was
no added effect of marijuana or tobacco."

As with the lungs to tobacco smokers, when the lungs of marijuana
smokers are "washed out", a marked increase in the number of
alveolar macrophages is witnessed.

But whereas tobacco smoke has a concomitant effect of activating
the macrophages, leading to the subsequent release of certain
toxic substances, marijuana smoke fails to activate the
macrophages, Dr. Tashkin said. He noted this difference could be
attributed to differential regulation of cytokins.

"It may be that the macrophages from marijuana smokers release
certain suppressive cytokins, like transforming growth factor-
beta, which is known to suppress the inflammatory activity of
nearly all of the site populations," he said. "That's our
hypothesis, which we are currently exploring."

Pot vs. Cigarettes

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http://www.kayalounge.net/Marijuana%20vs%20cigaret te.html
So, you thought it was the tar that caused cancer... Think again. Cigarette companies will have you believing anything just as long as you continue to buy their products. The fact is, although insoluble tars are a contributing factor to the lung cancer danger present in today's cigarettes, the real danger is radioactivity. According to U.S. Surgeon General C. Everette Koop (on national television, 1990) radioactivity, not tar, accounts for at least 90% of all smoking related lung cancer.

Tobacco crops grown in the United States are fertilized by law with phosphates rich in radium 226. In addition, many soils have a natural radium 226 content. Radium 226 breaks down into two long lived 'daughter' elements -- lead 210 and polonium 210. These radioactive particles become airborne, and attach themselves to the fine hairs on tobacco leaves.

Many people think smoking marijuana is just as harmful as smoking tobacco, but this is not true. Those who hold that marijuana is equivalent to tobacco are misinformed. For example the Berkeley carcinogenic tar studies of the late 1970's concluded that "marijuana is one-and-a-half times as carcinogenic as tobacco." This finding was based solely on the tar content of cannabis leaves compared to that of tobacco, and did not take radioactivity into consideration. (Cannabis tars do not contain radioactive materials.)... "

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Keep this in mind people:
1) Most marijuana smokers smoke the bud, not the leaf, of the plant. The bud contains only 33% as much tar as tobacco.
2) Marijuana smokers do not smoke anywhere near as much as tobacco smokers, due to the psychoactive effects of cannabis.
3) Not one case of lung cancer has ever been successfully linked to marijuana use.
4) Cannabis, unlike tobacco, does not cause any narrowing of the small air passageways in the lungs.

Professional Ethics | Marijuana vs Cigarettes

dr benway · 05-14-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

That's pity, you gave the source is old research before 2005. What I gave this one is couple months ago with new n' fresh information from the research.

dude, did you even read what PuyoPiyo posted?

it is pretty much saying the same thing as your article...

-neither one of them is denying that weed has similar levels of toxins as cigarettes...
-both of them mentioned that cannabis smokers smoke less than cigarette smokers....
-the only difference between the two is that PuyoPiyo's article mentioned that cannabis smokers do not suffer as much lung damage as cigarette smokers because they smoke less while yours did not even touch on that issue...

the reason why cannabis smokers do not smoke as much as cigarette smokers is because cannabis has a nice build-in protection against "chain smoking"...you can only smoke so much within a short period of time before you start to pass out...even with schwag...with cigarettes, you can smoke as much as you want...

but does it really matter if it is unhealthy? i am not really that concerned about it being healthy or not...i bet that most cannabis smokers feel the same way...the way i see it, we are all eventually going to die someday anyways...might as well have a bit of fun along the way...

PowerON · 05-14-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dr benway

dude, did you even read what PuyoPiyo posted?

it is pretty much saying the same thing as your article...

-neither one of them is denying that weed has similar levels of toxins as cigarettes...
-both of them mentioned that cannabis smokers smoke less than cigarette smokers....
-the only difference between the two is that PuyoPiyo's article mentioned that cannabis smokers do not suffer as much lung damage as cigarette smokers because they smoke less while yours did not even touch on that issue...

yes, IF use normal on cannabis as cigarette. It's still toxic, no matter!

I dare you to take cannabis as much as cigarette on average user take!

dr benway · 05-14-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Marijuana should be legalized. Like what Jillio said, the war on drugs was lost long time ago. We're already spending billions on it and still not a single positive result yet. We're spending millions unnecessary-incarcerating people charged with small grams of weed.

The biggest reason why marijuana's still illegal and was illegal in the first place is because of pharmaceutical companies. We all know weed is great for medicinal purpose and it's probably the only natural drug with very minimal side effects for people with cancers or pain. of course... that is bad business for pharmaceutical bastards. they want you to keep buying their medications even though it's not even close to being as effective as weed. they advertised and lobbied very heavily at Congress to criminalize it and did a very good job instilling a stigma to people.

Saying weed is bad for your health and kills your brain cells is ludicrous. So do alcohol, aspirin pills, TV, McDonald, etc. There are 1000000000000 things we can get addicted to and die from it. It's about personal responsibility. Funny thing is... smoking kills about 440,000/yr, alcohol kills 85,000/yr, and marijuana kills 0 so far.

we spent over $19 billion in 2003 on useless drug war! end it now! free up prisons! Drug Laws are INDEED socially created. You get harsher penalty for a small bag of weed than a brick-worth of cocaine. Why? because cocaine is the rich xxxxx xxxx drug. Hell President Bush snorted some, too!

oh btw - I don't do drugs nor drink alcohol

but logically, economically, politically... it does not make sense to criminalize marijuana.

bears repeating....

dr benway · 05-14-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

yes, IF use normal on cannabis as cigarette. It's still toxic, no matter!

I dare you to take cannabis as much as cigarette on average user take!

I would like take on your challenge...however, the problem is that it is very very difficult for cannabis smokers to smoke as much as the average cigarette smokers do...

like i said before, cannabis has a build-in protection against "chain smoking"...you can only smoke so much in a short period of time before you start to pass out...

kinda hard to smoke when you are passed out...right?

besides, i do not see why that has any bearing on the legality of cannabis...alcohol and cigarettes are unhealthy, but it is legal...

it sounds like you have never smoked cannabis before...

gmcman1996 · 05-14-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Exactly in your bold fonts, there is no sense for it to be crime at all, but taking advantage of the marijuana and abuse those who use it as simply personal use.

Yep.. Mary Jane, ought to be LEGALIZED, Hell, the cops are busting folks, stupidly, cuz of that?... Here's an old quote, I 'll throw in for the 2 cents worth.. you decide...

God made grass, Man made booze, Who do you TRUST?

Now, that simply should have an easy quick answer!

jiro123 · 05-14-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dr benway

I would like take on your challenge...however, the problem is that it is very very difficult for cannabis smokers to smoke as much as the average cigarette smokers do...

like i said before, cannabis has a build-in protection against "chain smoking"...you can only smoke so much in a short period of time before you start to pass out...

kinda hard to smoke when you are passed out...right?

besides, i do not see why that has any bearing on the legality of cannabis...alcohol and cigarettes are unhealthy, but it is legal...

it sounds like you have never smoked cannabis before...

<laugh at PowerOn's challenge> that's so silly. It's like challenging a person to drink as much water as he can before he passes out.... from sodium poisoning. It's simple - you die from anything "too-much" - no matter what is it. Sounds like in your mind - weed connotes bad addictive drug like meth and cigarette/alcohol connotes "no-biggie-it-ain't-harmful" substances.

jiro123 · 05-14-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcman1996

God made grass, Man made booze, Who do you TRUST?

best statement ever said

'NUFF SAID'

PowerON · 05-14-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dr benway

it sounds like you have never smoked cannabis before...

Pity, you don't know me.

Marijuana did cause me short-term memory and problem emotion. Yes, I admit I took it. twice.

The experience wasn't pleasant and isn't relax. I guess that's me.

PowerON · 05-14-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

<laugh at PowerOn's challenge> that's so silly. It's like challenging a person to drink as much water as he can before he passes out.... from sodium poisoning. It's simple - you die from anything "too-much" - no matter what is it. Sounds like in your mind - weed connotes bad addictive drug like meth and cigarette/alcohol connotes "no-biggie-it-ain't-harmful" substances.

I used to think that people who on marijuana by accident during wrong time when there is election. Ta-da! Bush win. I don't know who else I blame. LOL

"What?!? Bush win? Damn, I'm high!"

jiro123 · 05-14-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Pity, you don't know me.

Marijuana did cause me short-term memory and problem emotion. Yes, I admit I took it. twice.

The experience wasn't pleasant and isn't relax. I guess that's me.

Yea - it caused hallucination and paranoia for me. It's not for everybody just as much as alcohol is not for everything either.

gmcman1996 · 05-14-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

best statement ever said

'NUFF SAID'

Exactamundo! That's why cannabis smokers understand the facts given, and personally, I enjoy smoking this shit, cuz it has a high, that can NEVER be compared to beer, whiskey, or any other booze, to match... But the real bitch, is trying to buy some, from one you know personally... (the dealer that is) and if that one is "busted" Chances are you never know if the next one is a undercover cop... Not taking chances... but at least I know my sources..

Hell, might as well keep smoking... for all your brain cells are worth...

What's the big deal with these moronic cops busting us cannabis smokers, as harmless as it is said to be... Just a brother cigarette, to the regular cigarettes.. LEGALIZE it, and make George W. Bush ILLEGAL!

gmcman1996 · 05-14-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

I used to think that people who on marijuana by accident during wrong time when there is election. Ta-da! Bush win. I don't know who else I blame. LOL

"What?!? Bush win? Damn, I'm high!"

Puh-LEASE! George W. Bush did in fact smoke marijuana, back in the 60's so what difference, does it make whether it is me, you or G.W. Bush?... We all smoke marijuana at one point in our lives...

1st... screw the damn laws... 2nd, Legalize marijuana, 3rd.. Not a damn thing the cops can do about it... Hell, it sounds stupid, to arrest someone for driving after smoking marijuana, which doesn't smell as offensive as alcohol... DUI, is one thing.. but marijuana?.. Come on! I been smoking this shit for years.. and never been tagged by a cop, over it! Just good common sense, and doing it at the right time...

Be glad G.W. Bush is outta there, come January 20th, 2009... Maybe a Democrat President might change the outcome of usage of marijuana... Who knows .......

jillio · 05-14-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Pity, you don't know me.

Marijuana did cause me short-term memory and problem emotion. Yes, I admit I took it. twice.

The experience wasn't pleasant and isn't relax. I guess that's me.

I doubt seriously that smoking marijuana twice caused your short term memory problems and emotional problems. Short term memory loss has been found only in long term, heavy, habitual users. But then, age also is responsible for short term memory loss, so it has never been proven that marijuana is the culprit. In order to be a long term, habitual user, one also has to get older.

PowerON · 05-14-2008, 03:34 PM

yeah yeah yea..

I only can saying I do support marijuana as MEDICAL, not for fun.

jiro123 · 05-14-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

yeah yeah yea..

I only can saying I do support marijuana as MEDICAL, not for fun.

I guess PowerON's just as sensitive to weed as a person getting quite drunk from only one shot of whiskey.

dr benway · 05-14-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Pity, you don't know me.

Marijuana did cause me short-term memory and problem emotion. Yes, I admit I took it. twice.

come on..twice...just because you have done it twice doesnt mean that you truly know how cannabis work...the fact that you are saying that smoking cannabis twice caused you short term memory loss and emotional problems shows how little you know about cannabis...

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The experience wasn't pleasant and isn't relax. I guess that's me.

yeah...well...i think that cannabis is pleasant and relaxing...i guess its just me...and 100000s of others who partake or have partaken...

gmcman1996 · 05-14-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

I guess PowerON's just as sensitive to weed as a person getting quite drunk from only one shot of whiskey.

Howling with laughter! Guess that doesn't make PowerON an alcoholic !

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