Marijuana - Page 8

jillio · 03-28-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase

Actually, mother's milk and baby formula are the true gateway drugs to heroin and crack. Scientific studies show that 100% of all drug criminals were at one time or another fed mother's milk or baby formula.

Humor aside, even if marijuana and other recreational drugs are legalized as liquor is, the laws regarding driving and operating equipment dangerous to co-workers and the public while under the influence need to be strictly and mercilessly enforced.

flip · 03-28-2008, 06:49 PM

The decriminalize pot only movement is flawed by it's arguments to put pot over or below other drugs, claiming it works the same way for everyone, in my opinion.

The history have plenty of successful users of opiates and cocaine products like sherlock holmes and sigmund freud. Statesmen during the WWII was stoked on meth. Most drugs can be used in ways that are almost harmless. That's something we have to take into consideration if we are going to decide that hitting the bong is so much better than chasing the dragon.

jillio · 03-28-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

The decriminalize pot only movement is flawed by it's arguments to put pot over or below other drugs, claiming it works the same way for everyone, in my opinion.

The history have plenty of successful users of opiates and cocaine products like sherlock holmes and sigmund freud. Statesmen during the WWII was stoked on meth. Most drugs can be used in ways that are almost harmless. That's something we have to take into consideration if we are going to decide that hitting the bong is so much better than chasing the dragon.

Personally, I believe, and it is supported in certain scientific circles, that the natural form of these drugs are far less harmful than the street versions. It is what they cut the street versions with to increase profits that are more harmful. Also, the pharmeceutical subsitutions for opiates are far more addictive and harmful than the natural narcotic. For instance, hydrocodone and oxycodone (as found in Oxycoten, and synthetic versions of opium) are more harmful to the liver and other vital organs than the the natural drug. So, chasing the dragon would appear to cause fewer side effects than chasing the oxy.

Chase · 03-28-2008, 07:13 PM

Although it will not happen in my lifetime, decriminalization should affect all drugs, not just marijuana. My argument isn't so users can giggle at the world while ruining individual lives and whole families. It's to dissolve the present base of criminal activities, reallocate wasted law enforcement funding, and stem some of the drain of U.S. dollars to foreign countries.

I want to say this as gently as possible as we speak about flawed arguments, but citing Sherlock Holmes as an historical figure instead of a fictional character doesn't really create a great deal of confidence, either.

jillio · 03-28-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase

Although it will not happen in my lifetime, decriminalization should affect all drugs, not just marijuana. My argument isn't so users can giggle at the world while ruining individual lives and whole families. It's to dissolve the present base of criminal activities, reallocate wasted law enforcement funding, and stem some of the drain of U.S. dollars to foreign countries.

I want to say this as gently as possible as we speak about flawed arguments, but citing Sherlock Holmes as an historical figure instead of a fictional character doesn't really create a great deal of confidence, either.

Exactly. It is our socially constructed drugs laws that place these drugs in the criminal element. Without these laws, the criminal element no longer has control of the trade, law enforcement dollars are not wasted fighting a useless battle, jails and prisons are not

flip · 03-28-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Personally, I believe, and it is supported in certain scientific circles, that the natural form of these drugs are far less harmful than the street versions. It is what they cut the street versions with to increase profits that are more harmful. Also, the pharmeceutical subsitutions for opiates are far more addictive and harmful than the natural narcotic. For instance, hydrocodone and oxycodone (as found in Oxycoten, and synthetic versions of opium) are more harmful to the liver and other vital organs than the the natural drug. So, chasing the dragon would appear to cause fewer side effects than chasing the oxy.

Agree about chemistry. A friend of mine, an ex-heroin junkie praises his new pharmeceutical subsitutions. It gives him a calm high for 12 hours, and he can work and stay with his family. He is in a much better state now than before, but I am not sure if it's because he don't have to worry about the next fix and not is allowed to use other drugs, or it's because the high from the subsitute is calmer and less intensive. Hope it don't kill his liver.

flip · 03-28-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase

Although it will not happen in my lifetime, decriminalization should affect all drugs, not just marijuana. My argument isn't so users can giggle at the world while ruining individual lives and whole families. It's to dissolve the present base of criminal activities, reallocate wasted law enforcement funding, and stem some of the drain of U.S. dollars to foreign countries.

I want to say this as gently as possible as we speak about flawed arguments, but citing Sherlock Holmes as an historical figure instead of a fictional character doesn't really create a great deal of confidence, either.

Ok, Doyle is a such great writer he makes me belive Holmes is a real person

flip · 03-28-2008, 07:37 PM

If all kind of drugs was made legal, how is the indepedent guerillas going to get money to buy weapons and fight the suppressing goverments, with drug markets controlled by goverments?

Chase · 03-28-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

Ok, Doyle is a such great writer he makes me belive Holmes is a real person

Right. Ya gotta love Sherlock -- 7% solution and all -- hee hee.

PuyoPiyo · 04-06-2008, 10:18 PM

Have to agree with Barney Frank! Again, Barney Frank rocks!

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News release from Barney Frank

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Congressman, 4th District, Massachusetts

2252 Rayburn Building · Washington, D.C. 20515 · (202) 225-5931

BARNEY FRANK STATEMENT ON MARIJUANA LEGISLATION

March 24, 2008

Washington, DC -- Congressman Barney Frank released the following statement regarding his plan to introduce legislation to remove federal penalties for the personal use of marijuana:

“I think it is poor law enforcement to keep on the books legislation that establishes as a crime behavior the government does not seriously wish to prosecute. For highly-trained Federal law enforcement agents to spend time prosecuting people for smoking marijuana is a diversion of scarce resources from their job of protecting public safety.

“The norm in America is for the states to decide whether particular behaviors should be made criminal. To make the smoking of marijuana one of those extremely rare instances of federal crime – to make a ‘federal case’ out of it – is wholly disproportionate to the activity involved. We do not have federal criminal prohibitions against drinking alcoholic beverages, and there are generally no criminal penalties for the use of tobacco at the state and federal levels for adults. There is no rational argument for treating marijuana so differently from these other substances.

“To those who say that the government should not be encouraging the smoking of marijuana, my response is that I completely agree. But it is a great mistake to divide all human activity into two categories: those that are criminally prohibited, and those that are encouraged. In a free society, there must be a very considerable zone of activity in which people are allowed to make their own choices as long as they are not impinging on the rights, freedom, or property of others. I believe it is important with regard to tobacco, marijuana, and alcohol, among other things, that we strictly regulate the age at which people may use these things and enforcement of the age restrictions should be firm. But criminalizing choices that adults make because we think they are unwise ones, when the choices involved have no negative effect on the rights of others, is not appropriate in a free society. If the law I am proposing passes, states will still be free to treat marijuana as they wish. But I do not believe that the federal government should treat adults who choose to smoke marijuana as criminals. Federal law enforcement is a serious business, and we should be concentrating our efforts in this regard on measures that truly protect the public.”

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Congressman Barney Frank - Representing the 4th District of Massachusetts

LuciaDisturbed · 04-10-2008, 11:43 PM

*puff puff pass*

ClearSky · 04-11-2008, 05:32 PM

I am against weed because you never know how you're going to turn out or handle it when you try this just like any other drugs. Plus, people act really weird while on it, and the weird part is that it's not normal behavior.

There are other ways to relax that's healthy that can make you high...exercise! There's also meditation.....breathe! There's also Vitamin B which highly reduces stress.

I am sorry, but I really don't see the real point of smoking drugs. It's not like there's nothing that a drug cannot do in a healthier way. I think they are plain excuses.

They alter your mind, which is a real turn off because it's weird.

Cowpuppy · 04-11-2008, 06:49 PM

People light up thier pipes at street corners where I lived in California. many 215 permits........cops cool about it....medical need........ain't sure I want peeps driving around all loaded like that.

Banjo · 04-11-2008, 06:54 PM

Cowpuppy · 04-11-2008, 09:18 PM

We spend too much money jailing and prosecuting marijuana.
The cartels make too much money off of it.
People who want weed will find it....why let the cartels have the money.
Once legalized it become less fun and cool. Boring.
For many with minor medical reasons to smoke....it seems that the carcinogens and general smoking health would be a not good thing....how to balance.....will gov get sued at some point for people dying from weed smoke? I don't wanna pay it.
for those who tell me no carcinogens....no skoke probs from weed....you are biased....and I smoked for 30 some years...ya ain't kidding me. Once it was legalized in my area it took all the fun out of it....lol
But alas......the cartels should not profit off of it....the pot money just helps to enable them to focus more on other deadly dope. We are basically feeding thier army that we claim to be 'at war' with. The bottom line.

jillio · 04-12-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowpuppy

We spend too much money jailing and prosecuting marijuana.
The cartels make too much money off of it.
People who want weed will find it....why let the cartels have the money.
Once legalized it become less fun and cool. Boring.
For many with minor medical reasons to smoke....it seems that the carcinogens and general smoking health would be a not good thing....how to balance.....will gov get sued at some point for people dying from weed smoke? I don't wanna pay it.
for those who tell me no carcinogens....no skoke probs from weed....you are biased....and I smoked for 30 some years...ya ain't kidding me. Once it was legalized in my area it took all the fun out of it....lol
But alas......the cartels should not profit off of it....the pot money just helps to enable them to focus more on other deadly dope. We are basically feeding thier army that we claim to be 'at war' with. The bottom line.

Good posting. Regarding the carcinogens....carcinogens in tobacco do not come from the tobacco itself, but from the chemicals added to it when it is processed. Those chemicals are not added to weed.

dr benway · 04-20-2008, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ClearSky

I am against weed because you never know how you're going to turn out or handle it when you try this just like any other drugs.

fair enough...people do react to it in different ways (it can make some people really lazy)...thats a valid reason to be wary of weed; however, why does it have to be illegal? alcohol is legal despite the fact that it kills many people and causes tons of problems...the only real problem that i see with weed right now is the criminal activity that comes with it...but if it was legalized (including the growing of cannabis), it would solve that problem...

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Plus, people act really weird while on it, and the weird part is that it's not normal behavior.

normal is relative...what is normal to me may not be normal to you...

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There are other ways to relax that's healthy that can make you high...exercise! There's also meditation.....breathe! There's also Vitamin B which highly reduces stress.

those are good suggestions, but there are some people who would rather smoke cannabis (me, for example)...let people do their own thing...

also...while smoking weed does help relieve stress, not everyone does it for that reason...many people partake because it is fun and relaxing (not always though..it has its drawbacks..)...that is why many people are attracted to the green...hell, there is even a whole culture dedicated to smoking cannabis...

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I am sorry, but I really don't see the real point of smoking drugs. It's not like there's nothing that a drug cannot do in a healthier way. I think they are plain excuses.

you dont see the point to it...thats fine...but there are many others who do not feel the same way as you do...

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They alter your mind, which is a real turn off because it's weird.

thats the attractive thing about weed...it alters your mind...

besides, people have been trying to find ways to alter their minds for thousands of years and will contiune to do so...its human nature...thats why so many people do or have done mind altering substances (ex- alcohol, cigarettes, cocaine, caffeine, acid, shrooms, saliva, etc etc etc)...

and...about the health thing, people can just make some "special brownies", honey oil, or cannabutter and then ingest it...or use a vaporizer...problem solved!

Pinky · 04-29-2008, 11:55 PM

I read everyone's post about Marijuana. Blah! I didn't understand why in Netherlands is legal Marijuana to make a relax. But in the America is illegal to have a weed. There is 2 much problem with different drugs like cocaine, crack, heroin, meth and other control substance. If use weed only. It will be no problem. The criminal people are not smart about different drugs to try and get addictive. They're not smart about money. Smoking cigarette, Cigar are same with weed. It same with alcohol do legal. The people get DWI and died by crash and abuse on people. But Crack and meth are bad!!!!! The most is bust on meth lab in the America and Canada.

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Exactly. Wars on Drugs doesn't help anything except for packing people in the prison and cost people who don't use the marijuana the taxes. It's better to just legal the marijuana and funding the group for those who really have problem with the marijuana.

Wokamuka · 04-30-2008, 11:59 PM

I know, with proven research and fact, that marijuana is not like the two worst illegal drugs in America: Meth and PCP. Marijuana is said to be a lot of things and, those who know - and, usually, are older with wisdom, know that it is all ridiculous, misguided enforcement.

Marijuana, on basis of medicine, is accepted in some cities. Most notably, San Francisco is at the forefront. In terms of medicinal marijuana, there is a contradiction.

Within this article is a story explaining that a man, in dire need of a transplant, is denied a transplant because he had THC in his system. He was prescribed THC-medicinal marijuana by the medical institution that, now, denies him a transplant because of that prescription. [What a run-on!]

The Associated Press: Medical marijuana patients face transplant hurdles

The medicinal properties of marijuana is proven (with private and limited government research). Many, in view of statistics and trends, find marijuana-related problems preferable to alcohol. I believe that whatever the trend is, the science/quality will follow.

Marijuana, if found widespread, will increase in quality and, with an industry like Big Tobacco, will seek to increase revenue. Alcohol, in many forms like flavored vodka, flavored rum, and generic/substitutes, is performing the same role that marijuana, if widespreadly legal, would assume. Therefore (and you'll probably be aghast if not already) with this current level of enforcement, the marijuana quality those get would stay the same . . . natural and in keeping with the flow of tolerance.

Back to the point: Medicinal marijuana punished while medicinal marijuana was prescribed. What's up with that?

Pinky · 05-01-2008, 12:39 AM

I understand the detail about Medical Marijuana and Marijuana illegal. I understand that clear. I read about Green Party for President in 2000. Some people want to vote for President of Green Party. But the people in the America picked Democratic and Republican. Green Party was on the 3rd.

I am wonder why the people who are pothead and like get high to vote for Green Party to make a Marijuana Legal.

Alcohol are legal in America after 21 age to drink.

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Originally Posted by Wokamuka

I know, with proven research and fact, that marijuana is not like the two worst illegal drugs in America: Meth and PCP. Marijuana is said to be a lot of things and, those who know - and, usually, are older with wisdom, know that it is all ridiculous, misguided enforcement.

Marijuana, on basis of medicine, is accepted in some cities. Most notably, San Francisco is at the forefront. In terms of medicinal marijuana, there is a contradiction.

Within this article is a story explaining that a man, in dire need of a transplant, is denied a transplant because he had THC in his system. He was prescribed THC-medicinal marijuana by the medical institution that, now, denies him a transplant because of that prescription. [What a run-on!]

The Associated Press: Medical marijuana patients face transplant hurdles

The medicinal properties of marijuana is proven (with private and limited government research). Many, in view of statistics and trends, find marijuana-related problems preferable to alcohol. I believe that whatever the trend is, the science/quality will follow.

Marijuana, if found widespread, will increase in quality and, with an industry like Big Tobacco, will seek to increase revenue. Alcohol, in many forms like flavored vodka, flavored rum, and generic/substitutes, is performing the same role that marijuana, if widespreadly legal, would assume. Therefore (and you'll probably be aghast if not already) with this current level of enforcement, the marijuana quality those get would stay the same . . . natural and in keeping with the flow of tolerance.

Back to the point: Medicinal marijuana punished while medicinal marijuana was prescribed. What's up with that?

PuyoPiyo · 05-02-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinky678

I read everyone's post about Marijuana. Blah! I didn't understand why in Netherlands is legal Marijuana to make a relax. But in the America is illegal to have a weed. There is 2 much problem with different drugs like cocaine, crack, heroin, meth and other control substance. If use weed only. It will be no problem. The criminal people are not smart about different drugs to try and get addictive. They're not smart about money. Smoking cigarette, Cigar are same with weed. It same with alcohol do legal. The people get DWI and died by crash and abuse on people. But Crack and meth are bad!!!!! The most is bust on meth lab in the America and Canada.

Actually when they become addicted to the marijuana or got in car accident by being high wasn't the marijuana fault, it was those people's fault because they decide to get high then drive, it's their action with the marijuana and the car, that's why the car accident by being high doesn't include with the population of those who died from smoking the marijuana, that applies to the alcohol too. Also about the addictive problem, if they are then they will need to go to the rehab or treatment instead of jail. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Wokamuka

I know, with proven research and fact, that marijuana is not like the two worst illegal drugs in America: Meth and PCP. Marijuana is said to be a lot of things and, those who know - and, usually, are older with wisdom, know that it is all ridiculous, misguided enforcement.

Marijuana, on basis of medicine, is accepted in some cities. Most notably, San Francisco is at the forefront. In terms of medicinal marijuana, there is a contradiction.

Within this article is a story explaining that a man, in dire need of a transplant, is denied a transplant because he had THC in his system. He was prescribed THC-medicinal marijuana by the medical institution that, now, denies him a transplant because of that prescription. [What a run-on!]

The Associated Press: Medical marijuana patients face transplant hurdles

The medicinal properties of marijuana is proven (with private and limited government research). Many, in view of statistics and trends, find marijuana-related problems preferable to alcohol. I believe that whatever the trend is, the science/quality will follow.

Marijuana, if found widespread, will increase in quality and, with an industry like Big Tobacco, will seek to increase revenue. Alcohol, in many forms like flavored vodka, flavored rum, and generic/substitutes, is performing the same role that marijuana, if widespreadly legal, would assume. Therefore (and you'll probably be aghast if not already) with this current level of enforcement, the marijuana quality those get would stay the same . . . natural and in keeping with the flow of tolerance.

Back to the point: Medicinal marijuana punished while medicinal marijuana was prescribed. What's up with that?

Agree, it's really stupid to arrested a person who already have liscense for medical marijuana. I also don't understand why the government prefer us to drink the alcohol instead of marijuana while they understand that the marijuana doesn't cause much problem as alcohol... I hope Barney Frank a good luck.

Pinky · 05-03-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Actually when they become addicted to the marijuana or got in car accident by being high wasn't the marijuana fault, it was those people's fault because they decide to get high then drive, it's their action with the marijuana and the car, that's why the car accident by being high doesn't include with the population of those who died from smoking the marijuana, that applies to the alcohol too. Also about the addictive problem, if they are then they will need to go to the rehab or treatment instead of jail. Just my opinion.

That's true! That what I heard and read the newspapers about the suspect person got arrested by DWI including to marijuana during high and crashed to 9 years old girl got killed. The judge sent him to prison for 10 years. He said didn't know that just a happened. The drug addictive need attend to Marijuana Abuse, Alcohol abuse and other drugs abuse at rehab and have a program group. I used to attend to Alcohol abuse group. I am not real Alcoholic person. I just learned about this group. I have no longer attend to AA group. I know how to control with my drunk. I don't want go to wrong place to get drunk. By the way, I don't drive due to doctor said I can't drive due to my personal health problem. I do have an impaired. I am shy to say that.

Jail's fine is expensive than Drugs Addictive Program Therapy.

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Agree, it's really stupid to arrested a person who already have liscense for medical marijuana. I also don't understand why the government prefer us to drink the alcohol instead of marijuana while they understand that the marijuana doesn't cause much problem as alcohol... I hope Barney Frank a good luck.

Same here. That's what Government need to approve for Alcohol and Marjuana with license and age. Alcohol and marijuana are the same! It just weird!

PuyoPiyo · 05-03-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinky678

That's true! That what I heard and read the newspapers about the suspect person got arrested by DWI including to marijuana during high and crashed to 9 years old girl got killed. The judge sent him to prison for 10 years. He said didn't know that just a happened. The drug addictive need attend to Marijuana Abuse, Alcohol abuse and other drugs abuse at rehab and have a program group. I used to attend to Alcohol abuse group. I am not real Alcoholic person. I just learned about this group. I have no longer attend to AA group. I know how to control with my drunk. I don't want go to wrong place to get drunk. By the way, I don't drive due to doctor said I can't drive due to my personal health problem. I do have an impaired. I am shy to say that.

Jail's fine is expensive than Drugs Addictive Program Therapy.

Same here. That's what Government need to approve for Alcohol and Marjuana with license and age. Alcohol and marijuana are the same! It just weird!

Agree with you

Marijuana should be react just like alcohol.

NorCal20 · 05-13-2008, 08:58 AM

*ahem* interesting that you have made in this post. Medicine?

PePe LePew · 05-13-2008, 09:12 AM

Do any of you still smokes a cigarette and smokes marijuana too ?

My friend's husband do both, he has been doing this for 12 years but after 12 years later he died of heart diseased...

My friend said it came from smoking a cigarette and smoking marijuana, I also remember another of my friend I grew up with on the bus to school and he said that if you smoke a cigarette and marijuana, you can get cancer fast, I believe it's true until then I learned about my friend's husband died of heart diseases from smoking both, this is not good.

Also another friend I know I grew up in school is a "PotHead", Ohhh he's mean, very mean and dangerous...I do know that drugs is what makes people very mean, ugly and bad, I've had that experienced from him including other people who do drugs, THEY ARE MEAN, I don't like to be around people that do drugs, they are toooooo mean.

Not only just drugs but alcohols as well, my uncle drink he is uglier and meaner, I do not like people that drinks and be mean.

I like to be around people that don't drinks or do drugs, they are pretty nicer rather you disagree with me or not, heh!

PowerON · 05-13-2008, 12:18 PM

Canadian Govt in Health Department claim that marijuana is more toxic than cigarette
BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis smoke 'has more toxins'

Jiro · 05-13-2008, 03:37 PM

Marijuana should be legalized. Like what Jillio said, the war on drugs was lost long time ago. We're already spending billions on it and still not a single positive result yet. We're spending millions unnecessary-incarcerating people charged with small grams of weed.

The biggest reason why marijuana's still illegal and was illegal in the first place is because of pharmaceutical companies. We all know weed is great for medicinal purpose and it's probably the only natural drug with very minimal side effects for people with cancers or pain. of course... that is bad business for pharmaceutical bastards. they want you to keep buying their medications even though it's not even close to being as effective as weed. they advertised and lobbied very heavily at Congress to criminalize it and did a very good job instilling a stigma to people.

Saying weed is bad for your health and kills your brain cells is ludicrous. So do alcohol, aspirin pills, TV, McDonald, etc. There are 1000000000000 things we can get addicted to and die from it. It's about personal responsibility. Funny thing is... smoking kills about 440,000/yr, alcohol kills 85,000/yr, and marijuana kills 0 so far.

we spent over $19 billion in 2003 on useless drug war! end it now! free up prisons! Drug Laws are INDEED socially created. You get harsher penalty for a small bag of weed than a brick-worth of cocaine. Why? because cocaine is the rich xxxxx xxxx drug. Hell President Bush snorted some, too!

oh btw - I don't do drugs nor drink alcohol

but logically, economically, politically... it does not make sense to criminalize marijuana.

PuyoPiyo · 05-13-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Canadian Govt in Health Department claim that marijuana is more toxic than cigarette
BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis smoke 'has more toxins'

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Myth: Marijuana is More Damaging to the Lungs Than Tobacco. Marijuana smokers are at a high risk of developing lung cancer, bronchitis, and emphysema.

Fact: Moderate smoking of marijuana appears to pose minimal danger to the lungs. Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. But marijuana users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers, and over time, inhale much less smoke. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in marijuana smokers. There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana, and in a large study presented to the American Thoracic Society in 2006, even heavy users of smoked marijuana were found not to have any increased risk of lung cancer. Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung's small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana.

Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. “Legalization: Panacea or Pandora’s Box.” New York. (1995): 36.
Turner, Carlton E. The Marijuana Controversy. Rockville: American Council for Drug Education, 1981.
Nahas, Gabriel G. and Nicholas A. Pace. Letter. “Marijuana as Chemotherapy Aid Poses Hazards.” New York Times 4 December 1993: A20.
Inaba, Darryl S. and William E. Cohen. Uppers, Downers, All-Arounders: Physical and Mental Effects of Psychoactive Drugs. 2nd ed. Ashland: CNS Productions, 1995. 174.

Myths and Facts About Marijuana

PuyoPiyo · 05-13-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Marijuana should be legalized. Like what Jillio said, the war on drugs was lost long time ago. We're already spending billions on it and still not a single positive result yet. We're spending millions unnecessary-incarcerating people charged with small grams of weed.

The biggest reason why marijuana's still illegal and was illegal in the first place is because of pharmaceutical companies. We all know weed is great for medicinal purpose and it's probably the only natural drug with very minimal side effects for people with cancers or pain. of course... that is bad business for pharmaceutical bastards. they want you to keep buying their medications even though it's not even close to being as effective as weed. they advertised and lobbied very heavily at Congress to criminalize it and did a very good job instilling a stigma to people.

Saying weed is bad for your health and kills your brain cells is ludicrous. So do alcohol, aspirin pills, TV, McDonald, etc. There are 1000000000000 things we can get addicted to and die from it. It's about personal responsibility. Funny thing is... smoking kills about 440,000/yr, alcohol kills 85,000/yr, and marijuana kills 0 so far.

we spent over $19 billion in 2003 on useless drug war! end it now! free up prisons! Drug Laws are INDEED socially created. You get harsher penalty for a small bag of weed than a brick-worth of cocaine. Why? because cocaine is the rich (edited it out) drug. Hell President Bush snorted some, too!

oh btw - I don't do drugs nor drink alcohol

but logically, economically, politically... it does not make sense to criminalize marijuana.

Exactly in your bold fonts, there is no sense for it to be crime at all, but taking advantage of the marijuana and abuse those who use it as simply personal use.

NorCal20 · 05-14-2008, 06:37 AM

as far as you aware of that people who have a license to buy weeds for the medicine purpose. Yes, some of people do abuse it and some of people to use it for purpose: reduce the hyper (ADHD/ADD) and medical reasons.

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Wokamuka No Line on the Horizon Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 1,881	I know, with proven research and fact, that marijuana is not like the two worst illegal drugs in America: Meth and PCP. Marijuana is said to be a lot of things and, those who know - and, usually, are older with wisdom, know that it is all ridiculous, misguided enforcement. Marijuana, on basis of medicine, is accepted in some cities. Most notably, San Francisco is at the forefront. In terms of medicinal marijuana, there is a contradiction. Within this article is a story explaining that a man, in dire need of a transplant, is denied a transplant because he had THC in his system. He was prescribed THC-medicinal marijuana by the medical institution that, now, denies him a transplant because of that prescription. [What a run-on!] The Associated Press: Medical marijuana patients face transplant hurdles The medicinal properties of marijuana is proven (with private and limited government research). Many, in view of statistics and trends, find marijuana-related problems preferable to alcohol. I believe that whatever the trend is, the science/quality will follow. Marijuana, if found widespread, will increase in quality and, with an industry like Big Tobacco, will seek to increase revenue. Alcohol, in many forms like flavored vodka, flavored rum, and generic/substitutes, is performing the same role that marijuana, if widespreadly legal, would assume. Therefore (and you'll probably be aghast if not already) with this current level of enforcement, the marijuana quality those get would stay the same . . . natural and in keeping with the flow of tolerance. Back to the point: Medicinal marijuana punished while medicinal marijuana was prescribed. What's up with that? __________________

05-13-2008, 08:58 AM	#234 (permalink)
NorCal20 $up3rD0rkY :] Join Date: May 2008 Location: Golden State Posts: 3,749	ahem interesting that you have made in this post. Medicine? __________________ Phil.4:13- "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" Im playin' softball and cruisin' on my longboard...

05-13-2008, 09:12 AM	#235 (permalink)
PePe LePew Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 708	Question to Ask : ) Do any of you still smokes a cigarette and smokes marijuana too ? My friend's husband do both, he has been doing this for 12 years but after 12 years later he died of heart diseased... My friend said it came from smoking a cigarette and smoking marijuana, I also remember another of my friend I grew up with on the bus to school and he said that if you smoke a cigarette and marijuana, you can get cancer fast, I believe it's true until then I learned about my friend's husband died of heart diseases from smoking both, this is not good. Also another friend I know I grew up in school is a "PotHead", Ohhh he's mean, very mean and dangerous...I do know that drugs is what makes people very mean, ugly and bad, I've had that experienced from him including other people who do drugs, THEY ARE MEAN, I don't like to be around people that do drugs, they are toooooo mean. Not only just drugs but alcohols as well, my uncle drink he is uglier and meaner, I do not like people that drinks and be mean. I like to be around people that don't drinks or do drugs, they are pretty nicer rather you disagree with me or not, heh!

05-13-2008, 12:18 PM	#236 (permalink)
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03-28-2008, 06:49 PM	#212 (permalink)
flip Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 871	The decriminalize pot only movement is flawed by it's arguments to put pot over or below other drugs, claiming it works the same way for everyone, in my opinion. The history have plenty of successful users of opiates and cocaine products like sherlock holmes and sigmund freud. Statesmen during the WWII was stoked on meth. Most drugs can be used in ways that are almost harmless. That's something we have to take into consideration if we are going to decide that hitting the bong is so much better than chasing the dragon.

03-28-2008, 07:13 PM	#214 (permalink)
Chase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,317	Although it will not happen in my lifetime, decriminalization should affect all drugs, not just marijuana. My argument isn't so users can giggle at the world while ruining individual lives and whole families. It's to dissolve the present base of criminal activities, reallocate wasted law enforcement funding, and stem some of the drain of U.S. dollars to foreign countries. I want to say this as gently as possible as we speak about flawed arguments, but citing Sherlock Holmes as an historical figure instead of a fictional character doesn't really create a great deal of confidence, either.

03-28-2008, 07:37 PM	#218 (permalink)
flip Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 871	If all kind of drugs was made legal, how is the indepedent guerillas going to get money to buy weapons and fight the suppressing goverments, with drug markets controlled by goverments?

04-11-2008, 05:32 PM	#222 (permalink)
ClearSky Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,154	I am against weed because you never know how you're going to turn out or handle it when you try this just like any other drugs. Plus, people act really weird while on it, and the weird part is that it's not normal behavior. There are other ways to relax that's healthy that can make you high...exercise! There's also meditation.....breathe! There's also Vitamin B which highly reduces stress. I am sorry, but I really don't see the real point of smoking drugs. It's not like there's nothing that a drug cannot do in a healthier way. I think they are plain excuses. They alter your mind, which is a real turn off because it's weird.

04-11-2008, 06:49 PM	#223 (permalink)
Cowpuppy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On The Road Again Posts: 616	People light up thier pipes at street corners where I lived in California. many 215 permits........cops cool about it....medical need........ain't sure I want peeps driving around all loaded like that.

04-11-2008, 06:54 PM	#224 (permalink)
Banjo Mr. Movie Guy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,959 Blog Entries: 1

04-11-2008, 09:18 PM	#225 (permalink)
Cowpuppy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On The Road Again Posts: 616	We spend too much money jailing and prosecuting marijuana. The cartels make too much money off of it. People who want weed will find it....why let the cartels have the money. Once legalized it become less fun and cool. Boring. For many with minor medical reasons to smoke....it seems that the carcinogens and general smoking health would be a not good thing....how to balance.....will gov get sued at some point for people dying from weed smoke? I don't wanna pay it. for those who tell me no carcinogens....no skoke probs from weed....you are biased....and I smoked for 30 some years...ya ain't kidding me. Once it was legalized in my area it took all the fun out of it....lol But alas......the cartels should not profit off of it....the pot money just helps to enable them to focus more on other deadly dope. We are basically feeding thier army that we claim to be 'at war' with. The bottom line.

05-13-2008, 03:37 PM	#237 (permalink)
Jiro YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Sopranos State Posts: 22,913	Marijuana should be legalized. Like what Jillio said, the war on drugs was lost long time ago. We're already spending billions on it and still not a single positive result yet. We're spending millions unnecessary-incarcerating people charged with small grams of weed. The biggest reason why marijuana's still illegal and was illegal in the first place is because of pharmaceutical companies. We all know weed is great for medicinal purpose and it's probably the only natural drug with very minimal side effects for people with cancers or pain. of course... that is bad business for pharmaceutical bastards. they want you to keep buying their medications even though it's not even close to being as effective as weed. they advertised and lobbied very heavily at Congress to criminalize it and did a very good job instilling a stigma to people. Saying weed is bad for your health and kills your brain cells is ludicrous. So do alcohol, aspirin pills, TV, McDonald, etc. There are 1000000000000 things we can get addicted to and die from it. It's about personal responsibility. Funny thing is... smoking kills about 440,000/yr, alcohol kills 85,000/yr, and marijuana kills 0 so far. we spent over $19 billion in 2003 on useless drug war! end it now! free up prisons! Drug Laws are INDEED socially created. You get harsher penalty for a small bag of weed than a brick-worth of cocaine. Why? because cocaine is the rich xxxxx xxxx drug. Hell President Bush snorted some, too! oh btw - I don't do drugs nor drink alcohol but logically, economically, politically... it does not make sense to criminalize marijuana. Last edited by Chase; 05-14-2008 at 07:09 AM. Reason: Racial slur

05-14-2008, 06:37 AM	#240 (permalink)
NorCal20 $up3rD0rkY :] Join Date: May 2008 Location: Golden State Posts: 3,749	as far as you aware of that people who have a license to buy weeds for the medicine purpose. Yes, some of people do abuse it and some of people to use it for purpose: reduce the hyper (ADHD/ADD) and medical reasons. __________________ Phil.4:13- "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" Im playin' softball and cruisin' on my longboard...

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