At what age do you think people should be permitted to have a driver's license? - Page 6

Liebling:-))) · 05-05-2008, 08:47 AM

Interesting thread.

I rather to focus my boys' education first before learn driving.

PuyoPiyo · 05-05-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jclarke

Zack - Legal age in Australia is 18

Then that's probably the reason why Australia have more restricted law compare to the America's law on the driver's legal age.

Jacob · 05-05-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Then that's probably the reason why Australia have more restricted law compare to the America's law on the driver's legal age.

Yes, that might be correct, I believe that the government might have reflected the other countries laws, in other hands rules are never perfect.

KarissaMann05 · 05-06-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowpuppy

A bit bewildered.....when you post on a 'forum'...you are basically talking to everyone....that is the definition of forum.

I see this on occasion and scratch my head.

(In general speaking post)

I got a few same wondering questions from personal PMs yet again.

First off.. my old post, #114, was refered to the #104 and some posts that I agreed with. I was not talked to everyone as my post was not really clear. I know I am sound like I am easily absent-minded person anyway. However, my old posts are pretty old news. In fact, before I joined the AD and I was only visit debates communities from either LJ or GJ sometime. I never really invovled with so often, but rather to post a simple comment as my personal opinions. I only knew a little how to handle any debate until I became a member of AD, I got much better. Thanks to Libling's other thread for good tips about "disagree to agree" and "debate tips" subjects.

Of course, I am still not always good at handle any debate and my personal opinion that general debates may good education for me. I still do enjoy those debates.

In note - my old posts (#114, #115, #116, #118, #122, and #128) were actually only nearly a year ago. I am now not that Mann_K05 person anymore, I am different than that person (old self).

Sorry for off topic...

Back to point --

I am still believe it is 21 of the age for legal driving.

Jiro · 05-06-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

I am still believe it is 21 of the age for legal driving.

PuyoPiyo · 05-06-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jclarke

Yes, that might be correct, I believe that the government might have reflected the other countries laws, in other hands rules are never perfect.

Agree with your last 4 words

KarissaMann05 · 05-06-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Heh, I have no problem with your disagreely comment.

(In general speak post)

Wrote by KarissaMann05

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December 22, 2006

"I rode the #14, I felt the bus was a little slow to move right to a crosswalk. I was like, "Huh? Why stop there?" I spotted a driver's back was reflected a tri-color by a siren police car. The siren car passed the #14, I just ignored and waited for the bus to move again. I once got off and I stepped out in front, and then I just walked a little slow. Suddenly, a boy walked soo faster and to pass by me, I puzzled at him and looked at his face. His face was a bit of shocking. I confused and turned my head to look at what he saw, I gasped.

There was two wrecked cars, one white van and one black jeep in a light traffic cross. It's really near the D.Q. at Commerial and Browning Roads. The white van was flipped back that was actually the top of it roof was on a grass nearby a taller lamp. I could see a bunch of broken glasses and a several bloods was scrattled anywhere else. It was scared me... I could not see who was the driver inside cos of the white van had it black windows, however, there was other car, the jeep, was pretty bad shape. Jeep's front was so wrecked, it looked like... almost flat, really.

It's so terrible.

I could see a man's (15-years-old) neck was not to move and I did not know if he was seriously injury or so. I don't know. Cos I could not see him in a dark time.

So, I couldn't get on other bus cos the stop bus sign was so close to that car accident. I decided to go to the D.Q. instead... I went in and I saw... NO workers. I was like, "what the hell? Where are they?" I turned my head to notice these workers who were just stare curiously at the car accident. I just said softly, "Hey?" Suddenly, they looked me and gave me "oh!s". Lol

So, I ordered some meal and one M-sized beverage. I met a girl who could sign language pretty good and I asked what happen. She told me that black jeep was just about to turn the right but the van hit that black one and the white flipped out plus several rolled heightly in air like 7 or 8 feet. YES, MANY FEET. Shit... poor those people.

I couldn't help myself as the workers did, I kept to stare how firemen tried to cut some metallic things and some doctors brought some medinice. Whatever they did, I kept stared. Two people (one woman and one man) were seems okay but a little wounded, probably, they may be some broken bones. I don't know. Other one (man) was in bad shaped and wounded. Gee...

(They were young teenagers and one adult)

I finished my meal and there was still need to do their mission, so I went out and to find other stop bus sign where the #1 could pick me up.

That's happen. It's about an hour ago. I'm done with the story. :/"

Here you go. I'd seen many car accidents anywhere else, mostly, they are teenagers. Sometimes, of course, there are adults too.

That's why I believe that 21 is better. Maybe 18 is can be good optional.

Jacob · 05-06-2008, 10:17 PM

What's the difference between 16 and 21 if they start driving?

As a 16 year old they would do crazy things, if the law was at 21, they would do the same thing. Any opinions with this?

jazzy · 05-06-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jclarke

What's the difference between 16 and 21 if they start driving?

As a 16 year old they would do crazy things, if the law was at 21, they would do the same thing. Any opinions with this?

I agree with you, no difference between 16 and 21 when they first start driving. I feel if they started at 16 and by the time they reach 21 they are more experience drivers than if they first got license at 21. Why force parents to be responsible for young adults up to 21 years old to drive them to school or work? What about those young soldiers in Iraq, shall they be forbid to drive tanks if they were only 18 years old.

Jacob · 05-06-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

I agree with you, no difference between 16 and 21 when they first start driving. I feel if they started at 16 and by the time they reach 21 they are more experience drivers than if they first got license at 21. Why force parents to be responsible for young adults up to 21 years old to drive them to school or work? What about those young soldiers in Iraq, shall they be forbid to drive tanks if they were only 18 years old.

Excatly, and Jazzy you have many good points in relation of my opinion.

Rainshower77 · 05-12-2008, 10:06 PM

I think they should learn while they are growing (It's harder to learn as you get older) so that they leave home, they will be a pretty good, confidence driver.

plus, teens have jobs and sometime babies, so they need their license to take responsibilities.

So 15 or 16 is a good age.

I learned to drive when I was 21 years old, and I am still a nervous driver. I plan letting my son get his learners at 15 and if he shows he can make good grades and take responsibility to do his homework, he can get his license at 16.. if he keep making D's and F's and show irresponsibility in schools, I'll keep him in his learners until he is 18 years old.

If he make straight A's, then he can have his own car but if he quit making good grades, I'll have to sell the car and let him borrow mine whenever he need it,... Unless if he is failing after doing good, Then he can't drive independently at all...

PurrMeow · 05-12-2008, 10:20 PM

Great thread you have made, Liebling

I am bit having problem with my oldest niece (which I hve only two niece) anyway she is 15 and half yrs old. I am really really very concern cause of "Trust". I gotta to create "Trust" thread!

Rainshower77 · 05-12-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mlkshkgrl

Full drivers license is permitted at age 14 in South Dakota.

I think thats too young. I think 18 is a good age.

The south is a deep country: hunting, farming, rednecks, etc .. and fathers let them drive a short while without a learner or license.. My dad did.

The North is a pretty busy place, so I can imagine there are more accidents than the souths.

Jiro · 05-12-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PurrMeow

Great thread you have made, Liebling

I am bit having problem with my oldest niece (which I hve only two niece) anyway she is 15 and half yrs old. I am really really very concern cause of "Trust". I gotta to create "Trust" thread!

hhmmm... is it that you do not trust her to make a smart decision for herself or are you concerned about external factors (for ie. a stupid drunk crashing your niece's car)?

jillio · 05-12-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jclarke

What's the difference between 16 and 21 if they start driving?

As a 16 year old they would do crazy things, if the law was at 21, they would do the same thing. Any opinions with this?

Yes, I have an opinion on that. Cognitive development makes a 21 year old less susceptible to many of the influences that 16 year olds are susceptible to.

Jiro · 05-12-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Yes, I have an opinion on that. Cognitive development makes a 21 year old less susceptible to many of the influences that 16 year olds are susceptible to.

wish that's true around here. The 21 years old people here act like 16 years old. such infantile society...

PurrMeow · 05-12-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

hhmmm... is it that you do not trust her to make a smart decision for herself or are you concerned about external factors (for ie. a stupid drunk crashing your niece's car)?

Yes but what about her her new friends? Isn't that far concern?

Jiro · 05-12-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PurrMeow

Yes but what about her her new friends? Isn't that far concern?

Nothing. I'm just curious cuz there are pretty much 2 concerns parents have for kids - either they don't trust their kids or they're just afraid of external factors or both. I know there's peer pressure from friends so I guess the best you can do is to make a rule like "you can only ride with 1 friend" and trust her to follow that rule.

***VamPyroX*** · 05-12-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

No he is right about California and law on teens. We have many laws on teen drivers and it works. If they break any law for instance drive with other teen after curfew, they would lose their license. It goes same for adult, if they got 3 tickets in one year, they lose license.

I've gotten a speeding ticket when I was 16, but they put me on probation. I got another one when I was 17, and they let me take defensive driving. I got another one when I was 18, and they gave me another probation. I got an average of 3 to 5 tickets a year for the next few years... then stopped when I was 23. I've only gotten a couple tickets in the last 9 years.

Jiro · 05-13-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

I've gotten a speeding ticket when I was 16, but they put me on probation. I got another one when I was 17, and they let me take defensive driving. I got another one when I was 18, and they gave me another probation. I got an average of 3 to 5 tickets a year for the next few years... then stopped when I was 23. I've only gotten a couple tickets in the last 9 years.

Bad Boy. but.... I shouldn't be a hypocrite. I had lot of tickets too

Jacob · 05-13-2008, 07:17 PM

I got pulled over for speeding some of the time, but since in my 5 years of driving, I haven't got a single speeding ticket... I was let go with a warning, thats all. But nonrelevant to this - I got too much parking fines in a year last year.

Reba · 05-14-2008, 09:35 AM

This is what happened:

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Mother, daughter die in I-26 crash

Truck lands on car, rescuers race hardening concrete
By Nadine Parks
The Post and Courier
Tuesday, May 13, 2008

A North Charleston mother and her twin teenage daughters were trapped Monday afternoon when a cement truck landed on top of their car and cement poured inside, hardening while rescue workers tried to dig them out.

"I've never seen anything like this before," said Peter Rogers, public information officer for the Charleston County Volunteer Rescue Squad.

Authorities said the accident on Interstate 26 killed the mother and one of the 15-year-old sisters, who was driving the car. Charleston County Coroner Rae Wooten identified them as Christina Akabidavis, 42, and Marcushire Akabidavis, 15.

The mother was in the front passenger seat, said Cpl. Paul Brouthers of the S.C. Highway Patrol. He said the 15-year-old twin, who was in the back seat, was taken by helicopter to Medical University Hospital in critical condition. Authorities did not release her name, but a previous story in The Post and Courier identified her as Maurishire Akabidavis. The same story said the twins attended Porter-Gaud. They turned 15 on Saturday, according to their online Facebook profiles.

Drivers can get their beginner's permit when they turn 15.

The driver of the cement truck, Jeffrey Mobley, 39, of Bowman, was in good condition Monday night at Trident Medical Center, the hospital said.

"He was shook up," Brouthers said.

The crash happened at about 3:10 p.m. in the eastbound lanes in front of the rest area near College Park Road. The family's red Honda made an abrupt lane change in front of the cement truck, Brouthers said. He said the truck driver tried to compensate, but struck the Honda and the truck landed on its side on top of the car.

The teenage driver contributed to the accident, but the truck driver did not, Brouthers said. He said the truck belonged to Carolina Redi-Mix Co. of Summerville.

The Honda was nearly flattened on one side and the occupants were pinned inside.

"All the concrete came out, pouring onto the car and in the car," Rogers said. "It literally filled the car with concrete up to their waist."

The concrete began to dry as nearly 20 rescue workers used their hands and shovels to clear away the mixture, Rogers said. They had to cut the car away from the mother and her children, he said.

"If anybody comes out of it alive, it's a miracle," said Diane Turok, who was stuck in traffic along with hundreds of other afternoon commuters. Eastbound lanes were closed for nearly two hours while authorities worked to clear the scene. Rush-hour travelers avoiding the interstate were stuck in long lines of traffic along College Park Road and U.S. Highway 78.

Though the crash did not affect westbound lanes of the interstate, traffic was snarled as drivers slowed to watch the commotion.

Mother, daughter die in I-26 crash

I saw the aftermath of the accident. It happened a few minutes before I drove near that same section of road.

It's a very sad story.

Reba · 05-14-2008, 09:36 AM

These stories are from today's local paper:

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School reflects on loss, survival
By Noah Haglund
The Post and Courier
Wednesday, May 14, 2008

The ink had barely dried on her learner's permit when a 15-year-old driver made a fatal lane change on Interstate 26 near College Park Road on Monday, killing the teen and her mother, and injuring her twin sister, authorities said.

Cushire and Rishire Akabidavis celebrated their birthdays on Saturday. They went to get their permits at the earliest opportunity, on Monday.

Cushire was driving the family's 2008 Honda Civic from the Department of Motor Vehicles office in Ladson east toward North Charleston when the crash happened around 3:10 p.m., said Cpl. Paul Brouthers of the S.C. Highway Patrol. The teen had been in the far-right lane, an exit for a rest area, when she made an abrupt lane change directly in front of a cement truck, he said.

The truck hit the car, then overturned on top of it between I-26 and the exit ramp. The collision killed Cushire and her mother, 42-year-old Christina Akabidavis, who was sitting in the front seat. Rishire, sitting in the back seat, was injured.

The teenag

View Poll Results: At what age do you think people should be permitted to have a driver's license?
Driving legal at age 16	35	46.05%
Driving legal at age 18	28	36.84%
Driving legal at age 21	11	14.47%
Any other ages than 16, 18 and 21 ?	2	2.63%
Voters: 76. You may not vote on this poll

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Rainshower77 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 91	I think they should learn while they are growing (It's harder to learn as you get older) so that they leave home, they will be a pretty good, confidence driver. plus, teens have jobs and sometime babies, so they need their license to take responsibilities. So 15 or 16 is a good age. I learned to drive when I was 21 years old, and I am still a nervous driver. I plan letting my son get his learners at 15 and if he shows he can make good grades and take responsibility to do his homework, he can get his license at 16.. if he keep making D's and F's and show irresponsibility in schools, I'll keep him in his learners until he is 18 years old. If he make straight A's, then he can have his own car but if he quit making good grades, I'll have to sell the car and let him borrow mine whenever he need it,... Unless if he is failing after doing good, Then he can't drive independently at all...

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PurrMeow Have fun~ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rose Posts: 2,395	Great thread you have made, Liebling I am bit having problem with my oldest niece (which I hve only two niece) anyway she is 15 and half yrs old. I am really really very concern cause of "Trust". I gotta to create "Trust" thread!