Liebling:-)))

How I know? Well, I learn from websites... I see the pointless what MADD made... They claimed that alochol hurt brain... Look at alochols in the world... Did we all suffer brain disorder or what? It make no sense. It look like that MADD didn't know what moderately drinker is but negative all the time. *shake the head* It look like that they blame only alcohol to kill teens driving. It's not just alcohol but their immaturely.

I support Alex Koroknay-Palicz to MADD.

Deafness

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Cheri

You said "Most Americans don't like MADD" Now, It looks like it just you.


And Yes, It does effect the brain when someone drinks. I know because I did drank before. Why do people act goofy when they drink? Some don't even remember how they behave when they drink, while some other do but they still act stupid. They cannot help themselves it's the drink that makes them that way. That's the matter of fact.

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Liebling:-)))

Would you want them do that?

No true, I know from experience in Europe - nobody hide from their parents because they are allow to drink under parental's supersivon. It's about teaching children to drink in moderation in social settings (i.e. a glass of wine with dinner)

No, Germans and other Europeans grew up, they were allowed to have sips of alcohol except spirits. None of them have drinking problems.

The children are more likely to be irresponsible and silly and also binge-drinking or behave immoderate way when they get the chance to have it if the parents denied to them until they're old enough to legally buy their own. I know what I'm saying because of my first drinking behavior when I was 16 years old with crowds until we reached legal drinking age (18) because I never being taught how to respect alcohol in moderately way. Yes, most of British didn't know what moderation drinking is but binge-drinking for the fun.
I TOTALLY beleive that responsible drinking habits begin at home and let young people have the sense that they are joining in with the adults, learning table and drinking manners, etc. and lets them see that drinking is a social thing.


Respectfully disagree.

It is scary to know that it's illegal for underaged children to drink in the home under the parental's supersivion in America. I find it's sad that the parents are arrest for providing their children with alcohol in their house because the children didn't learn how to respect alcohol and learn to know that the wine is a common family thing. I also find sad that the kids were denied romantic feelings. Wine was treated as food to be enjoyed with the family and usually on special occasions.. I feel a glass of wine with dinner is part of the meal and relax evenings! My both sons are not interesting to try more sip of alochol since they have beent tried. They drink half of sip champagne to toast each other on New Year. I filled orange juice in champagne to diluted alcohol after toast each other with champagne.

If you educate your children to eat meals at the table (not in their laps and front of the TV, reading while eating) because of 'sociable' occasion. The wine should go with food but without distraction then your children will grow up appreciating both food and wine - and won't abuse either. Of course you can diluted wine (half wine & half water). Most young children think wine tastes disgusting - when offered a sip. They won't go off and try drinking with wrong crowd when they know drinking taste disgusting?

It's legal for underaged children to drink in the home under the supervision of their parents in most Europe countries including Germany. It's legal for teenagers to drink beer and wine at age 16 only without parental supervision in Germany. Yes, the people are pretty crazy with drinking law when there're public or under parental's supervision when they turn 21 and then drunk all the time and then abuse the substance because it's "forbidden to them until legal age. They didn't know what moderation is.

Liebling:-)))

Because you drank immorderately I know what I'm saying about I also drank immoderately myself, too when I was 16 years old. I know what it's alike... horrible... sick... can't remember etc... I never being taught how to drink moderately way by my parents until I began to learn what alochol is after married and live in Germany.

Liebling:-)))

Interesting, what about flavor additives? Of course we all including underage children eat some of flavor additives... Did you know about that? If not, then check food labels...

Did you know that Many liquid flavors or powder alcohol as an ingredient?

Yes, flavor additives foods such as sodas, ice cream, salad dressings, powder, cakes, cookies, sauces etc masked as alcohol. The flavor additives is form of alcohol, oil, coloring etc. Of course, also medical, too. What about that?

I alway make sure that any foods are alcohol free after check back of food label before buy them.

I would suggest everyone to check the back of foods label (canned, powder packet, etc). It written "Flavor".

Would you also sue government, too because some of alcohol in flavor additives? Yes, it's also legal to add alcohol in flavor additives, medicial...etc.

Liebling:-)))

[QUOTE=GalaxyAngel]Yes, that's right.

Exactly... it's illegal if anyone try to sell booze to underage children - it's understandable to file a lawsuit against dealer.

Do you think the law would interest to listen anyone who file a lawsuit over that sip of alcohol where the children receive from their friend under parental supersvion? Nope, because they would say "Why your children take and drink when they know they are not allow to drink then"?

I beleive MADD's supporters are too overreacted when alochol comes. Okay for teens driving legal age, drugs, smoking and gun legal age. This is an absolutely ridiculous!

Liebling:-)))

Exactly

Liebling:-)))

Of course I has to admit that I’m a terrible mother who allows my underage children to have sip of wine, champagne or beer in my home under legal parental supervision and want my children became alocholic, irresponsibly, immoderation, etc.

Yes, I'm terrible mother to give cons and pros (negative and positive) information about drinking, drugs, smoking etc to my children because I beleive my children deserve the truth about negatives and positive over alcohol, smoking, drugs, guns etc instead of hide positive from them then they will find out the truth later that we hide the positive from them...

I know MADD’s supporters will admit that they agree with me.

Opal

I must admit I didn't know its is LEGAL to serve alcohlic to underage children until my teenager daughter's older friend told us it is ok to drink alcohlic for any ages I thought she's making it up........................ until I went to see the Licencer Pub Owner and question him as I am naive about it as children knows more from their High School friends!!!

He said it is ok if I or any parents order alcohlic drinks for underage children if we order their meals too. They won't accept if I order a bowl of chip with alcohlic drink.

My middle daughter is 14, I order a Vodka bottle - 275ml (4.8% ALC/VOL) with raspberry flavour UDL, she drank it all with a meal. She is fine and alert.

I won't order alcohlic bottle for my other 11 years old daughter because to me she is still underage and too young.

The Pub Owner said he will lose his licence and heavy fine, perhaps closure of this hotel if he served alcohlic to underage children without parent's permission.

He will serve it to anyone who is 18 with ID.

Please remember I am European and brought up this culture, as I respect your decision to serve alcohlic to 21 years old and over likewise.

Opal

Hey, just a question to tell you did you know that listerine, a fresh mouth washer?

Well do you allow your children to gurgle this drink? it contain alcohlic too, thats why the Australian police tells all P-drivers not to try it because it will give their breathezler an alcohlic reading bac!!!

http://www.geocities.com/brodavelist...e/lister_1.htm

Heath

Yes Tamara and Listerine is also good medicine if you do not have anything on hand. It will burn for sure... but it is alots better than getting an infection that could turn very painful or even life threatening. There must be a website that details the 101 uses of Listerine.

Opal

Liebling:-))) I am with you all at this thread!!

Cheri

That is different, Don't start going off-topic now, It seems like a habit of you going off-topic a lot bringing up something to just cover your base. I am not going to say it again and again and again. I do NOT believe the same as you and I would not give my children a sip of anything you do with your children, If you want your children to drink that's your problem, If you want to break the law, That's your problem too. I am going to follow the law and the safely of my children. You worried about yours and I worried about mine. Medicine is medicine, food is food, beer, mixed drink, wine coolers, etc. are alcohol and are not necessary for life! End of the discussion!

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Heath

Cheri, I don't see how Liebling is going off topic. She is speaking a voice of concern for the kid's safety and that is the woman's instinicts to speak up for the children. I don't see a conflict of interest here. Liebling is saying she checks the food label to make sure it is alochol free and she wanted to make sure to let you guys know about the dangers of flavor additives. She suggests you do the same to protect your children from those harmful effects. She is staying on topic as far as I can see. Sometimes it is alittle healthy to go off topic for a few mintunes then get back on the topic.

Liebling:-)))

Yes, it's exact same with here in Germany and other Europe countries, too. The Pub or resturant owners will get in trouble for serve alcohol illegal to the children without parental's permission.

The resturant owners do not like to serve wine or beer to underage children IF they eat nothing or fries unless there're proper meal.

Cheri

Mind your own business Heath, You have no idea what you are talking about, She gives her children alochol did you know that? Then if you don't know then you need to re-read the whole thread before jumping on me. Understood?

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In Germany and all over Europe it is legal and is a way of life. Alochol does not get abused nearly as bad as here in America.

Liebling:-)))

I was like wow after read your link. Yes, it's not just listerine but other medications, too. My hubby & I used listerine with recommend from dentist to improve teeth and gum.
I got bronchiolitis drops (medication) from doctor last Monday. I read back of label saying that I should not drive for 2 hours after take drops.

Liebling:-)))

Yes, correct. Alcohol is also good to heal wounds, too.

Liebling:-)))

Wow

Alcohol is Alcohol. I simple ASK you either you know or not that alcohol hidden in nutrition. You do not need to be panic because I ASK you simple question...

NO, you need to re-read, not Health because you claimed that I break the law... *shake the head* I repeat in my previous posts that it's legal for the parents to provide their children in the home at any ages in Europe...

I choose to defend myself because the people do not understand what difference between moderation and immoderation drinker but criticize against alcohol and label/blame alcohol in negatively/also critizing against sip of alcohol to children instead of "disagree". I can see that I'm not only one who share my post about my culture where I grew up because I'm also European, too.

It's not alcohol, you blame to but it's people who choose to drink immorderately.

You can’t expect everyone please others with their posts because they have the right to entitle their opinions with agree and disagree respectful and we just have to learn to see which ones are valid and also pros and cons instead of negative ALL THE TIME.

I choose to share my thoughts about my culture where I live because I’m disagree without criticizing anyone here in first place.

Anyway, I do not appreciate the tone of your post toward me because of my simple questions.

Liebling:-)))

Yes, it's correct that we entitled our opinions in general way because it's children's safety we concern about.

Correct, some of flavor additives are dangerous and affect the people's health if they eat a lot. Alcohol hiddern in some of flavor additivies..., that's why I use any frozen foods, fresh foods and alcohol-free foods. I prefer to teach my children to drink moderately than eat a lot of flavor additives where the alcohol hiddern because we didn't know how many %vol of alcohol they add in flavor additives.

Thank you for make right point what you know from my posts...

Heath

Hi Liebling, if I lived in Europe I would permit my kids to drink a glass of wine with their dinner and if they want alittle more, just ask.

Europeans are far more healthy than Americans are.

Liebling:-)))

Alcohol helps older women's grey cells
http://www.nutraingredients.com/news...ol-helps-older

deafclimber

i agree ! however i wud ask my kids for holiday meals only when they turn 17 or 18. i dont see any diff. i remmy i was offered for the wine during the holidays at my ex-parent's home when i was teenager. my ex and her parent dont drink heavy drinks. they simply drink the wines, period. i dont see why the teenageers cant drink the wines at their parents during the holidays. i used my common sense like what right and wrong was when i was teenager.

i admire those europeans a lot because i have a lot of friends who come from south africa, austrailia and new zealand and, of course, europe. we did talk about the differences between our cultures. they admit they laugh at our cultures in some ways but respectfully and i am not surprised what they said. the winery grapes have been grown by the winers in europe for many many many years.. longer than this country and they cant change the cultures for the kids sakes. as long as the parent teach the kids the morals, the kids know what morals would be when they drink.

since i m seeing the heats in this thread, this is my last post eventually !

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You win, See ya later!

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Liebling:-)))

Yes, the wine and beers grapes are very common in Europe. We have a lot of grapes on everywhere in Germany.

Yes, we are open mind and respect each other about our cultures because we are traveller and understand every different cultures without critizing them. Yes, there's alway cons and pros about our cultures... It's part of our nature culture where we grew up.

Angel

Cheri and Liebling, get your cute little buns over here now...

Come on girls, don't make me pull both of your legs here... ..

so quit agruing with each others before I get my whip out....

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umm...intersting...well thanks for sharing umm the song yeah..the song!

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