Beowulf

"He deliberately, systematically violated the law. He is not King, he is President."
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap...y.asp?ID=69123
U.S. Rep.John Lewis said Monday in a radio interview that President Bush should be impeached if he broke the law in authorizing spying on Americans...
Lewis is the first major House figure to suggest impeaching Bush..."
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Do not grieve for Bush. He is far worse than utterly useless, he is a clear DANGER to our liberties.
He has got to go.
What with all the indictments of his inner circle, the the new revelation that the guy he wants on the Supreme Court would look the other way in illegal spying on us, it won't be too difficult to get rid of him.
The right push at the right time will make the house of cards come tumbling down.
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I emailed Lewis a few days ago applauding his courage.
You can do the same by emailing him at
http://www.house.gov/johnlewis/index.shtml
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We CAN take our beautiful country back!

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EDGE

this country is already ugly beore Bush and his father exist.

Heath

Remember 1986-1987? Machine gunning UZI and AK 47 gang wars going on everyday and every night? Armed robbery was everywhere. Epidemic crack smoking and selling problem ? Prostitution at an all time high? Governments doing Black ops and nobody knew what was going on? The US/Mexican border was so dangerous. Medellin and Cali Cartel wars going on. Illegal Fistfights to the death for money. It Was Bad !!!! Nothing like today.

Endymion

Heath,

Are you sure that we've improved? Our memory does play quite a few tricks on us. Wikipedia has a wonderful list of cognitive biases: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases.

I'm not disagreeing with you. In fact, you could be right. I was just a wee tot when the eighties were around. But I do question our capacity to judge and compare the past and present.

Nesmuth

Hey guess what? Were going back to 1994 in my hometown when bullets flew a lot more than the birds.

Richard

Endymion

Rich, are you urban or rural?

Heath

My family lived in the urban area for years then moved to rural and they love living in the countryside... as for me I like the peace and quiet but none Deaf to talk to really and prefer big city for Deaf social and better jobs.

Heath

but seriously it was the Bad old days.

vfr

you need a serious dose of coffe!
for the most part in the reagan years crime dropped!!!!
get your facts straight! stop trying to be a know it marine wanna be and get your shit together!


from 1980 to 1988 the us spent more on the military AND the cops through out the the US.
city recived extra money to get more cops!and it worked! the 80s were a cops wet dream..the us marshals,FBI,SS, got so many warrents on the flimsiest evidence it became a running joke!police butality? through the roof! the cops did not take shit from anybody any more! choke hold deaths? so many they banned the choke hold. deaths by police shooting? through the roof!

the courts let the cops get away with more and more bullshit until they droped a BOMB in philadelphia! it burned down a whole ****ing block!
after that..people got pissed and elected new judges and DA and the police got slapped down for all the shit they got away with.

if you felt scared heath maybe it was just you! i remember walking to the store at 11 pm everyday to get fresh bread...in one of the worst areas in philly. yes i saw the gangs ..and no i did feel scared..

maybe its time for you to get off the computer, out of your house and get a life! stop filling up the pages with bullshit! more than 1/2 of what you put up is pure crap.

go get a girl and stop trying to jerk us off. :sure:

vfr

this was to be about NOW! not the past.. but if we impeach clinton for getting a blowjob, we need to get rid of the lying warmonger jackass in the office now!

Heath

You are the one who is the jerk ass !!!!

vfr

i am just the one who has lived in philly ,new york,la,phoenix, dc and bunch of other places during the 80s..and i know how to read! not to mention right now i work on motorcycles belonging to agents of FBI,CIA,US marshals and more..,.last night i called a pal BEFORE i replied to your crap to conferm what i knew.... :sure:

vfr

if the 80s were bad..why was called the get rich years?
more money flowed into the economy than ever before... the government just didnot have the money it owed to the big busines's and the shit hit the fan in late 89....duh! and we hade a big recesion.

what the hell is a jerk ass? you practice that at home heath?
that might explain why you have no girlfreind!

Tousi

Yeah, didn't gold go to something like 500 buks and silver somewhere around a hunnert in that era? But isn't that also disguised....like, I mean gold/silver being in the stratosphere indicates rampant inflation, no?

Heath

Vfr, I said jerk ass to show how basic your comments are and unlike you, I have family actually in US Military and L.E. I wonder what the LE guys would think since you just trashed and badmouthed the LEO's in another thread and you just work in a bike shop where LE officers are nice enough to bring their bikes to you for motorcycle repairs and you show no respect towards the LE officers in another threads who fight very hard to keep evil people away from you. If you had any respect for the LEO's then you would not break the law and not give the LEO's a bad time when they arrest and search you and you complain about ID or speeding ticket when you really actually were speeding right before the LEO's own eyes!!!!!!

FYI Before 1955 was the best time for the policeman. Not the 1980's.

I think you are the one who is the know it all and wanna be a Marine... and I do not know everything and am always learning and I have Marines in my family unlike you do and I pray one day to be healed of deafness by the Lord Jesus Christ and enlist in the U.S. Marine Corps. There are thousands upon thousands of people who could not do things they could do and are healed by the Lord Jesus Christ then go onto taking a job that was traditionally denied to them because of their disablity. So think twice about that.

Endymion

This is off point, so forgive me.

But heath, if you want to be a marine and they deny you admission because you're deaf, why not pursue legal recourse? Certain movements (women, for example) have been able to push ahead and gain a foothold in the armed forces.

You could raise a big stink about it. I'd support you, even if it turns out to be a losing bid. I can see it. The supreme court: Heath vs. Bush, et al, 117 U.S. 239 (2006).


When I was in high school I wanted to be an army ranger. Then my parents talked me out of it and I went to college instead. Besides, the army would have never taken me as a deaf person. I remember I once knew an Aviation Ordinancewoman, Third Class from the Navy; she told me she wished she went to college instead. Strange how that works out.

Teresh

Jesus isn't granting any miracles. In the scope of the Christian mythology, if miracles do occur in the present, it is God granting them, not Jesus.

That said, you really need to work on your attitude. You don't need to be so inflamatory. I'd suggest that you work on coming to terms with your being deaf rather than praying for something that will never happen.

Some of us are actually ok with being dhh. You're deaf. Accept it and move on. Don't take your self-loathing out on other people.

Nesmuth

Urban. It sucks tho but its good if youre into real estate. How else does a $30,000 investment on a condo turn into a $270,000 shoebox in 15 yrs?

Richard

Dennis

What? Are you kidding me? Were you even alive during that period? Heaven help you if you were a woman or a minority before the 60's. Let's look back before the 50's:

1) Organized crime was empowered through Prohibition. More and more people went to crime because Congress wanted to legislate morality. Very unpopular laws were passed in the name of making Americans more "Christian."

2) Empowering and hiring of family members instead of qualified and trained people in law enforcement was common. You'd be stuck with a officer of the likes of Barney instead of Andy Griffith, and there wasn't a thing you could do because he was family to the police in the area.

3) Education wasn't important to the field of law enforcement. Investigating crimes? Just point at someone and arrest them. Form a posse and deputize people and they'll hunt down people for you. It was only later in the 20th century when a movement started to have policemen/women hired because of their smarts, not their brawn.


Be careful wishing for the "days gone by." Things really are NOT better in the old days.

Okayyyyyyyy.......... You go right ahead and keep hoping that'll happen. Let us know when you're hearing again. We'll be waiting. We're not holding our breath.

Besides, there aren't very many people who were "healed" by prayer. They probably had the benefit of modern medical technology, which many fundamentalists believe is against God's will. Yeah, uh huh, God didn't want for us to have the ability to cure people (why isn't that his will?) or mess with genetics (why isn't that his will, again?) or feed the hungry (why would that BE AGAINST HIS WILL?)

Reba

I'm a "fundamentalist" and I have never heard any preaching against modern medical technology. We have doctors in our church membership, and we have medical missionaries. Luke was a physician. Medicine is a respected career for Christians.

Where did you get that weird idea? Christian organizations and individuals are major supporters of feeding the hungry, just as Christ ordered. Have you never heard of Salvation Army soup kitchens, Water Missions International, urban rescue missions, etc.?

Heath

I did not live through these times. I have listened to the policemen stories of those times from policemen that lived through those times themselves. You misunderstood my statement and went into an angry tirade. Criminals that really commited crimes did not get off like they do today. The police could use excessive force on violent criminals without fear of being sued. Alochol was a big problem much like crack is today. You see the pastors preaching against crack being smoked or being sold. It was the same level of abuse in alochol that prompted the Prohibition and naturally, criminals took advantage of that and the police had to combat the problem of violent alocholic addicts ( The Prohibition wants you to believe the social drinkers were arrested on the tv mass media. Real policemen that lived through that time went after the violent alocholic addicts, not the social drinkers. ) The generation of police to police families was there because it was a good job and not because of police abuse or slavery. It simply was a good job the way it was at that time also police technology was not really there and policemen became very good at studying the human behavior and usually , not always but usually could tell when someone was telling the truth or not. Policemen are human like back then and policemen are human today. You say that police were not trained or had education. You are wrong right there. Education and training was very important back then like they are today !!!! My God look at the old police manuals found on the internet and back then at that time , the training was not as extreme as we train today. It was a natural process of training and education that the police went through that got us where we are today. You better realize that today the criminals are attempting to control the police through politics and laws, back then criminals could not vote and today criminals can vote from prison and that is scary and not good at all, I am thinking ................... ( National security, gun control , anti-crime laws turned down etc) because of those criminals who can vote thanks to the corrupt politicans. Even back then politicans would have prison guards shoot a criminal for even thinking he could vote from his prison cell. Nobody in America would have allowed that to happen having a criminal vote from a prison cell !!! It was common-sense so go figure and It was much better for the police and may not have been for a Deaf man but at least the police knew when a Deaf man was innocent or guilty. They just used commonsense. Yes the police may have made mistakes but they had commonsense. Now it is all scientific data but still common sense and scientific data should go hand in hand. That is what the liberal politicans are trying to seperate forensic science from. The police aren't having any of it.The old days back then had better moral values and American society was not as violent as it was until after about 1955. That is when all the trouble began everybody who lived through that time I asked when did that year become a problem or troublesome they say alittle right after 1955.

vfr

this was to be about! now! hello! about impeaching bush the 2nd.. not about cops.

and for just for you heath... my foster dad was 4 star! in the NAVY!!! i would never wanna be a member of uncle sams misguided childern!doing chin ups while watch the superbowl.. ha bullshit you need a girl!

Heath

Vfr, For your information ( F.Y.I. ) it was you who brought up the discussion of the police and not me. You are the one in serious need of coffee and a girlfriend. I think the issue is not because your foster dad is in the Navy. I think it is because you are angry at your dad? Correct me if I am wrong. The another thing is you definetely are anti-police and anti-military. You do not want to work in a honorable profession stopping evil. You told everybody that you break the law all the time and give the honest hard working policeman a hard and bad time when you are pulled over for speeding and the policeman saw you speeding right before the policeman's eyes. and those people you got off in court due to speeding tickets and agrued over racial profiling in another thread. The judge will look through their records when they are arrested again and check with sealed or tossed out police rap sheets etc. Because that person was caught doing something wrong okay then the judge is gonna throw the book at that person then he is sitting here in jail then he will realize you were not a real friend to him at all. You just delayed and caused him more trouble at a later date, that is if he was ever caught and arrested again and if you got arrested again and brought up before the judge and he sees who you are and what you did from before ( remember judges do talk to another judges ) then a very hard sentence would be passed down that makes your knees go under from you with a jaw dropped mouth and a righteous dose of fear of going to the big house a.k.a the zoo and you would resist as the prison guards come to escort you out of the courtroom. Nobody in their right mind wants to be in the big house.

So therefore I think I will not break the law and be a law abiding citizen of the United States of America Merry Christmas !!!!

coloravalanche

VFR,

You have a problem! Do not outsmart to Heath..you talk about cops also!

You and Heath needs to cool off and stop arguing with each others! Thanks!

vfr

like i said heath.. so are so ****ing stupid you cant tell the dif between the joy of driving fast and being anti police and milatary....did you read my posts? you are just so ****ing pathetic that if you go to gally you fail out in the first semester!
i really do hope you go...just so you can show all those bullshit moves in your wanna be fight movies...i was tought by my foster dad how to fight.. i have been practicing marshal arts since i was 7... if you wanna know who the best in the milatary.. go to a base hospital, find a green baret..and ask him the name of the navy SEAL the kicked his ass!
i am pro milatay asshole! i just would never settle for 2nd best. so get a girl and stop jerking everybody off.

Rose Immortal

It may be Christian Science he's thinking of.

But yes...sometimes God works miracles by aiding human ingenuity. He doesn't always speed the process up beyond what we can accomplish.

BTW, with genetics I think there are a lot of great things we can and will do--but, I do think we need to proceed with caution and always be conscious of the ethical dilemmas we may raise in the process.

Heath

I know the joy of driving fast and am highly trained in driving cars trucks motorcycles. I am sure you never ever heard of driving guerilla ever before.

On driving fast on the roads is a very dumb thing and gambling with people's lives. .... there is a time and a place for that. The public roads are no place for doing that. There are too many people... a family in tow , grandparents with their grandchildren and people going to work and home.... if you want to go fast. That is great!!! Hit the local motorcycle track and ride for hours without ever breaking the law.

If you were not anti police or anti police then you and I would not be having this conversation about you breaking the law and showing no respect to the police when they pull you over for a real good reason.

I have been on military bases and in G.I. bars and I have seen fights that were so brutal. ( I did not get in any , it was between them. ) I do not need to ask a green beret or a navy seal. I have seen regular soldiers hand the special force soldiers their ass and I have seen navy seals guys lose to a green beret vice versa. They both are human too.

I was fighting before you were even a kid. I did not have any martial arts until I was in high school then when I got out of high school and learned military hand to hand combat then I realized my family and relatives taught me military hand to hand combat alittle by alittle over the years.

Your grammar will not pass at Gallaudet and you will not get past the first semster. Look over your own spelling and grammar. It is your own words and not mine.

You are not grounded in reality. I have seen real things. That is the big difference there.

If you were pro military you would know the difference.

You already have settled for 2nd ( second ) best and it already shows right through.

I think you would not even know if you had a girlfriend or not when you announce that you do have a girlfriend but is she for real with dating you. That is the problem here.

You need to stop jerking people's chain here.

Have a Merry Christmas.

Beowulf

Goodness, what a train wreck here.
The testosterone level is so high it can be sliced with a butterknife.
*shaking my head*
It is amazing that this thread was moved from Current Evens to Debate, because in my eyes, there is no debate.
I just submitted something you do not see in the mainstream news, more or less.
It is not about beating your chests and roaring at each other. That would be pathetic.
You see, I saw my parents today, and it changed my outlook.
My dad is an old warrior. He has been in three wars, and he should be in the Guiness book of world records for sinking 7 German U-Boats in a battle. (But that is another story.) I have a brother who was in Special Forces during the vietnam War and another brother who was a Marine. And I ask you, so what?
It is amazing that the veterans pray for peace while the armchair soldiers pray for war. But never mind.
I am home now, and I am at peace.
Merry Christmas, everyone, and God bless our troops.
Bring them home.

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Heath

Amen Beowulf and here is the USMC motto...

" Pray for peace . . .train for war "

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Merry Christmas and God Bless everybody pray for the US fighting troops overseas and that the war be ended at the right time for the right reason....

Beowulf

Tsk.
Mods, clean this thread up, please.
Thanks.

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