Tipping System - Page 6

Liebling:-))) · 10-19-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetheart

That's correct, sweety. Also, I just talked with my mom about her brother which my uncle Kevin work as Chef at Fancy Resturant in Detroit which it could cost a plate of food for around maybe 50 dollars or 100 dollars or so, not sure.. And, waiteress who work at same resturant as my uncle Kevin work at, they pay them 23 dollars an hour! It's alot money since it's rich people's resturant more like, Actor people go there or Preseident could be there, etc like that.. And, when I was in Virginia with my family when I was young, visited my mom's other brother Jeff, his ex girlfriend used to be work as waiteress the resturant in that state, she said that they have to pay around 10% of tips back to their boss... For the bills, etc something like that Im not sure... It's Family Resturant, not same like Denny's or whatever like that... Only one resturant in that state...

Interesting, I would NEVER afford to have a plate of food per $50.

$23 per hour wow... I can understand that it´s for rich people who can afford.

10% tips back to boss...? I have a question for you... perhap you can ask your Uncle... I know my question sound odd but how do boss know how many tips waiter/waitress collect from their customers then pay 10% of total tips back to their boss?

Reba · 10-19-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

...Many deaf people are not rich enough to pay the tips because they only have SSI, so they only can give how much they can afford....

Not just deaf people but any people (myself included)--if they can't afford to pay a decent tip, then they shouldn't eat at the restaurant. Or order just an appetizer or salad bar or something they can afford plus tip.

Can a deaf person use SSI as an excuse when they go to the grocery store? Can they tell the clerk, "Oh, I can't afford to pay for all my groceries, so I'll just give you what I can but I'll keep the food."? No!! Can they go to the gas station and say, "Oh, I can only afford to pay for 12 gallons of gas but I will put 18 gallons in my car."? No!! So why should they be able to rip off restaurant servers?

Kuifje75 · 10-19-2006, 02:29 PM

A question for you Liebling.

Hypothecially, (since I know you wont, as you say you never would) you went to an expensive restaurant in Germany. The restaurant's menu says that a service charge is added to the bill, and will be 15 percent.

Your bill comes to about €200, for example. 15% of €200 was the service charge, which is €30 for the service charge. In effect, you paid more than just your food, but to the restaurant, to the waiter, etc.. Right?

I fully understand that a service charge is "different," but my point is that some of that service charge still goes to the waiter in addition to the Trinkgeld. Some of that service charge might pay for the waiter's higher salary.

According to this link, in Utah, the minimum wage for a waiter receiving tips is $2.13 an hour.
Utah Human Resources State Council - Article Feature

Reba · 10-19-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I would not tip $20... $5 is my limit tipping. I would not go to expensive resturant and then tip extra expensive.

If your restaurant meal costs $100, then $5 is an insult tip.

Getting a $100 bill doesn't always mean that it's an expensive restaurant. If there are five people in your group, that's only $20 per person, especially if appetizers, dessert, and alcoholic drinks are included. A $5 tip means that each person gave only $1 for a $20 meal! That's 5%, which means your service was awful.

Kuifje75 · 10-19-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

By law in Washington state, ALL non-farm jobs are paid at the minimum wage of $7.63 per hour or higher as of 2006.

Under the Republican bill, restaurant owners are allowed some kind of credit, to get the money back for paying their waiters $7.63. So, the owners really only pay like $2.15 whilst the taxpayers pay the rest of the waiter's salaries. I think it is a pretty unfair system where taxpayers would pay for the services of diners eating out. I would prefer tips because it is the customers themselves, not taxpayers, who foots the bill.

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Reba · 10-19-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

... I do not expect you to agree/give me right over tipping system vs service charge. That´s so.

It really doesn't matter who agrees, or which system is "better".

The point is, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. That is, when people dine out in Europe, they should follow the European customs and just leave "change" tips. When people dine out in the United States, they should follow the American custom and leave at least a 15% tip. It doesn't matter if you or I (or anyone at AD) thinks it's "right" or "wrong", "better" or "worse", or "I do it MY way". Whatever the custom is for that country, that's what should be followed, like it or lump it.

I guess if a person doesn't like the way things are done in another country, then he/she should stay home.

Kuifje75 · 10-19-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It really doesn't matter who agrees, or which system is "better".

The point is, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. That is, when people dine out in Europe, they should follow the European customs and just leave "change" tips. When people dine out in the United States, they should follow the American custom and leave at least a 15% tip. It doesn't matter if you or I (or anyone at AD) thinks it's "right" or "wrong", "better" or "worse", or "I do it MY way". Whatever the custom is for that country, that's what should be followed, like it or lump it.

I guess if a person doesn't like the way things are done in another country, then he/she should stay home.

excellent post!

Opal · 10-19-2006, 03:38 PM

If I go oversea, I would try to be equal to my host/group of party, to avoid any embassement and respect their interesting culture of their own.

Liebling:-))) · 10-19-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

If your restaurant meal costs $100, then $5 is an insult tip.

Getting a $100 bill doesn't always mean that it's an expensive restaurant. If there are five people in your group, that's only $20 per person, especially if appetizers, dessert, and alcoholic drinks are included. A $5 tip means that each person gave only $1 for a $20 meal! That's 5%, which means your service was awful.

Do you think that I pay $100 for that meal?

I never spend $100 like that in my life... Greek, Italian or German resturant cost us (4 person) between €40 and €50 including service charge. $100 plus $20? No Way...

Please re-read my previous post that I do not want to go expensive resturant. I limit $5 and follow the list of % where webexplor provided for us which good to aviod any ambarrassment.

Liebling:-))) · 10-19-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Opal

If I go oversea, I would try to be equal to my host/group of party, to avoid any embassement and respect their interesting culture of their own.

Exactly.

Liebling:-))) · 10-19-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It really doesn't matter who agrees, or which system is "better".

Is it wrong to share cons and pros with agree to disagree about tipping system etc about our countries here? If you don´t like then don´t post.

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The point is, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. That is, when people dine out in Europe, they should follow the European customs and just leave "change" tips. When people dine out in the United States, they should follow the American custom and leave at least a 15% tip. It doesn't matter if you or I (or anyone at AD) thinks it's "right" or "wrong", "better" or "worse", or "I do it MY way". Whatever the custom is for that country, that's what should be followed, like it or lump it.

I see nothing wrong if anyone including me debate with agree to disagree here? What is debate topic for? See the links, they are also debated with agree to disagree, too... because we need to open our mind to see the sense about cons and pros.

For your information, I´m traveller. I has no problem to respect every culture where I visit to and get on well with people from other countries.

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I guess if a person doesn't like the way things are done in another country, then he/she should stay home.

Ugh? Your post make no sense to me... *shake my head*

Liebling:-))) · 10-19-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuifje75

A question for you Liebling.

Hypothecially, (since I know you wont, as you say you never would) you went to an expensive restaurant in Germany. The restaurant's menu says that a service charge is added to the bill, and will be 15 percent.

I have no problem to answer your hypothecial question but I only want to tell you that there´re no additional service charge here in Germany... Service charge is alway include in every meals.

I think we should talk example about Italy where there´re additional charge service.

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Your bill comes to about €200, for example. 15% of €200 was the service charge, which is €30 for the service charge. In effect, you paid more than just your food, but to the restaurant, to the waiter, etc.. Right?

Yes.

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I fully understand that a service charge is "different," but my point is that some of that service charge still goes to the waiter in addition to the Trinkgeld. Some of that service charge might pay for the waiter's higher salary.

Additional service charge go to owner, not waiter because the owner already fixed waiter´s decent wages which mean is everything including. No matter how many customer they have a day. Perhaps 100 customers a day then next day 60 customers and then next day 10 customers.. but wages, the owner pay stay the same.

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According to this link, in Utah, the minimum wage for a waiter receiving tips is $2.13 an hour.
Utah Human Resources State Council - Article Feature

Interesting, I can see that every states are different how and what they did with waiter/waitress in their resturant.

Reba · 10-19-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Do you think that I pay $100 for that meal?

I never spend $100 like that in my life... Greek, Italian or German resturant cost us (4 person) between €40 and €50. $100 plus $20? No Way...

Please re-read my previous post that I do not want to go expensive resturant. I limit $5 and follow the list of % where webexplor provided for us which good to aviod any ambarrassment.

It might be hard for you to go to a nice restaurant in the US and feed four people dinner for only $50 (that equals 40 Euros). But if you do, a $50 meal requires a $7.50-10.00 tip. A $5 tip is just 10%, and that's a low tip meaning you aren't satisfied with the service.

If you go to a regular restaurant and don't include alcohol, salad, soup, appetizer or dessert, you can probably keep the cost down to less than $15 per person. That would total $60 for four people, and the tip would be only $9-12.

If you go to an all-you-can-eat buffet, or a Subway, or a cafeteria, or a salad bar, you can get a meal and a drink (tea or soda) for under $10 each, and you don't need to tip. Or you can go to fast food restaurants for that price, and you don't need to tip them. Also, if you go for lunch instead of dinner it's usually cheaper.

If you limit yourself to a $5 tip, just be careful not to order anything that costs more than $35 total. That means, if you get a meal for four people, the meal and drink total should be less than $8.75 per person.

I hope this helps.

Liebling:-))) · 10-19-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It depends on how much your meal cost in America. It's a percentage.

A $5 tip is good for a meal that cost $25-35.

A $20 tip is good for a meal that cost $100-135.

How much was your meal?

Yes I aware it... I have seen from webexplorer´s list of tipping...

I don´t know how much meal per person in America... as what you said that $5 is right tipping for between $25 and $35. Do you mean that $25 to $35 per person?

Liebling:-))) · 10-19-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It might be hard for you to go to a nice restaurant in the US and feed four people dinner for only $50 (that equals 40 Euros). But if you do, a $50 meal requires a $7.50-10.00 tip. A $5 tip is just 10%, and that's a low tip meaning you aren't satisfied with the service.

If you go to a regular restaurant and don't include alcohol, salad, soup, appetizer or dessert, you can probably keep the cost down to less than $15 per person. That would total $60 for four people, and the tip would be only $9-12.

If you go to an all-you-can-eat buffet, or a Subway, or a cafeteria, or a salad bar, you can get a meal and a drink (tea or soda) for under $10 each, and you don't need to tip. Or you can go to fast food restaurants for that price, and you don't need to tip them. Also, if you go for lunch instead of dinner it's usually cheaper.

If you limit yourself to a $5 tip, just be careful not to order anything that costs more than $35 total. That means, if you get a meal for four people, the meal and drink total should be less than $8.75 per person.

I hope this helps.

Yes your post helps... I appreciate it very much.

I never touch America in my life... I will know more when I see any resturants when I visit America next year. It´s our habit to go good resturants here in Germany.

Buffet and Salad bar sound good... mmmhhh

Yes I can understand and will make sure it should be less than $35.00 to aviod ambarrassment... We don´t eat 3 or 4 gangs. I feel my friend´s pain when I told them that $1.??? is not enough... I will print webexplore´s list of tipping and pass it to them.

Reba · 10-19-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Ugh? Your post make no sense to me... *shake my head*

We can debate the pros and cons of tipping versus service charges without making value judgments. Different systems work better for different cultures and economic systems. That doesn't necessarily mean one way is "good" or that the other way is "bad."

Reba · 10-19-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

... We don´t eat 3 or 4 gangs....

What does that mean?

Kuifje75 · 10-19-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

What does that mean?

She means refills or seconds.

Kuifje75 · 10-19-2006, 05:44 PM

Reba is right, you will have a hard time to find a good restaurant for cheap here in the US. If you go to McDonald's, it can cost about 5 to 8 dollars per person, or 20 to 32 dollars for 4 persons.

If you go to a nice all you can eat buffet, it usually costs 10 dollars per person, so it will be 40$ for a group of 4 persons, but no tips because you serve yourself.

If you go to a middle-priced restaurant such as Outback (Australian Steakhouse), TGIF, Chilis, Applebees, Uno, etc... and also drink a glass of wine with your meal, it would probably cost you about 15$ to 20$ for the meal per person. A group of four persons would cost about 60 to 80 dollars. Then on top of that, you give a tip of $12 to $14, totalling it to $72 to $94 for the meal alone.

So, if you really want to avoid yourself the pleasure of fine restaurants in America because you don't want to pay the tip, then you will be very limited with your choices in the US, probably to terrible fast-food restaurants.

WhisperHorse · 10-19-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Interesting, I would NEVER afford to have a plate of food per $50.

$23 per hour wow... I can understand that it´s for rich people who can afford.

Either me, I cant afford that price for food in a plate... Unless, very speical then maybe? Of course, that's right. Rich People are lucky but same time, wow you know...

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

10% tips back to boss...? I have a question for you... perhap you can ask your Uncle... I know my question sound odd but how do boss know how many tips waiter/waitress collect from their customers then pay 10% of total tips back to their boss?

Boss and waiter/waitress count how much tip they have together then, mostly of time they will give boss 25 dollars, depends on waiter/waitress feels.... Or depends on Boss tell them how much, I'm not sure. I can ask my uncle about that.

webexplorer · 10-19-2006, 07:29 PM

Excuse me, I never heard of paying a waitress by the hour in a restaurant. No way - I think you are mistaken. If it is true, then I am really sure that it will go out of business in a short time!

I think that it would be a good idea to go inside at someone's house that you don't know and just eat their food for free. Just kidding!

Liebling:-))) · 10-20-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

What does that mean?

Sorry, it´s my habit to type "3 gang" into German... Sorry to confuse you with German language.

3-Gang Menü = 3-course meal (British language) What K75 said "refills or seconds" could be American language...

10-19-2006, 02:29 PM	#153 (permalink)
Kuifje75 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 422	A question for you Liebling. Hypothecially, (since I know you wont, as you say you never would) you went to an expensive restaurant in Germany. The restaurant's menu says that a service charge is added to the bill, and will be 15 percent. Your bill comes to about €200, for example. 15% of €200 was the service charge, which is €30 for the service charge. In effect, you paid more than just your food, but to the restaurant, to the waiter, etc.. Right? I fully understand that a service charge is "different," but my point is that some of that service charge still goes to the waiter in addition to the Trinkgeld. Some of that service charge might pay for the waiter's higher salary. According to this link, in Utah, the minimum wage for a waiter receiving tips is $2.13 an hour. Utah Human Resources State Council - Article Feature __________________ Megvan a repülőjegyem, az útlevelem, kész vagyok az útazásra.

10-19-2006, 05:44 PM	#169 (permalink)
Kuifje75 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 422	Reba is right, you will have a hard time to find a good restaurant for cheap here in the US. If you go to McDonald's, it can cost about 5 to 8 dollars per person, or 20 to 32 dollars for 4 persons. If you go to a nice all you can eat buffet, it usually costs 10 dollars per person, so it will be 40$ for a group of 4 persons, but no tips because you serve yourself. If you go to a middle-priced restaurant such as Outback (Australian Steakhouse), TGIF, Chilis, Applebees, Uno, etc... and also drink a glass of wine with your meal, it would probably cost you about 15$ to 20$ for the meal per person. A group of four persons would cost about 60 to 80 dollars. Then on top of that, you give a tip of $12 to $14, totalling it to $72 to $94 for the meal alone. So, if you really want to avoid yourself the pleasure of fine restaurants in America because you don't want to pay the tip, then you will be very limited with your choices in the US, probably to terrible fast-food restaurants. __________________ Megvan a repülőjegyem, az útlevelem, kész vagyok az útazásra.

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10-19-2006, 03:38 PM	#158 (permalink)
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10-19-2006, 07:29 PM	#171 (permalink)
webexplorer I'm listening to everyone Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New England Posts: 3,140	Excuse me, I never heard of paying a waitress by the hour in a restaurant. No way - I think you are mistaken. If it is true, then I am really sure that it will go out of business in a short time! I think that it would be a good idea to go inside at someone's house that you don't know and just eat their food for free. Just kidding!

10-20-2006, 11:34 AM	#173 (permalink)
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