Cloning Issues: Pro or Con?

Marj · 04-14-2003, 10:06 AM

hi again! I like to be a threadsetter! haha.. anyway.. here's my story: I'm in this quirky class--science, blah-- and they gave me an assignment on cloning... So far, so good.

I've been doing research on religious beliefs on cloning.. most of them are "on the fence"-- it means they are not against it but they are not with it either.. just need more answers and facts.

Now I'm bugged with this curiousity of what the Deaf world would say about cloning?

Me, personally, I'm with it for stem cells research not human cloning-- don't we all have enough jocks, preps, or goths in the world, heh?

So, I wanna know what -->YOU<-- think about it, not on your religious beliefs but from your perspective.

If you want to know more about cloning, simply go http://www.humancloning.org/benefits.htm

The page is on the benefits of cloning. So far I can't find direct drawbacks on it.. How interesting....

Fly Free · 04-14-2003, 10:30 AM

my personal opinion is NO CLONING!!!!!!!!

04-14-2003, 10:56 AM

I am very against Cloning sorry

***VamPyroX*** · 04-14-2003, 11:15 AM

Here are the...

Pros
good for loved pets
help keep animals from exinction
could lead to organ cloning
replacement body parts
additional body parts (double penises or quadruple breasts, anyone?)

Cons
DNA match between good and bad person

This is all I can think of at this moment.

ChelEler · 04-14-2003, 12:33 PM

I'm against HUMAN cloning. But for animals, like pets, that would be "on the fence" for me.

illustrator · 04-14-2003, 12:59 PM

They will need to take my cell, in case I lost my part of body. But for cancer - it's not possible. Remmy what happen to doctor's wife in the movie 'Thirty Days" I think...

***VamPyroX*** · 04-14-2003, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by illustrator
They will need to take my cell, in case I lost my part of body. But for cancer - it's not possible. Remmy what happen to doctor's wife in the movie 'Thirty Days" I think...

You're referring to Sixth Day. Actually, what happened to his wife was not because of a cloning error. It was done intentionally by the owner of the cloning company. He wanted to keep the doctor under his control so he added a small command to force the wife to die within years so that the doctor would be forced to keep working for him. The same thing goes for other people that he wants to control. Normally, if he didn't tamper with the data... the clone would live just like a normal person would.

javapride · 04-14-2003, 07:17 PM

MAJORLY against cloning. Im my own person unqiue and weird i ll stay that way thank u very much !

illustrator · 04-15-2003, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VamPyroX
You're referring to Sixth Day. Actually, what happened to his wife was not because of a cloning error. It was done intentionally by the owner of the cloning company. He wanted to keep the doctor under his control so he added a small command to force the wife to die within years so that the doctor would be forced to keep working for him. The same thing goes for other people that he wants to control. Normally, if he didn't tamper with the data... the clone would live just like a normal person would.

Ahh, you got my answer - thank!

jejones3141 · 04-15-2003, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by javapride
MAJORLY against cloning. Im my own person unqiue and weird i ll stay that way thank u very much !

You'd be unique even if you were cloned. A clone would have very different formative experiences than you did, and couldn't help but turn out different from you. (Ask a twin whether he or she considers himself or herself unique.)

Marj · 04-15-2003, 01:20 PM

Yes but WHY are you against it? WHY?!!??!

ChelEler · 04-15-2003, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Marj
Yes but WHY are you against it? WHY?!!??!

Why am I against it? It's not God-made thing. It's almost like we're stealing God's plan or something like that. That's why I don't like to be cloned. I want to produce in God's way. If I lose His way of producing, I lose and try again in His way, not these people's way. That's just IMO. Thank you.

04-15-2003, 04:00 PM

I am against clones. Everyone should be individuals and be different. We are given our own life to deal with, and we have the choice to do whatever we want to do with our lives. Cloning cells for body part harvesting sounds just too bizarre.

"I cut my arm off!"
"Oh no worries, you have a right arm in the catalogue."
"Great, I'd like to order it and attach it ASAP! Is rush service available?"

Ok, I know I am not making sense, but it just sounds a bit weird.

Marj · 04-15-2003, 06:03 PM

A arm from a catalog?!

Poyznive52899 · 04-15-2003, 08:34 PM

I am gonna have to disagree with cloning.. its just inhuman... we should not "play God"

I believe things happen for a reason.. no matter how hard it is to accept or how difficult it is to figure out and no matter all the why did this happen .. and all the ifs or whatever... I believe its all part of one Great Big Cycle. Theres a time to be born and a time to Die Period. And we should leave it that way!!

Besides I really dont think if.. for example take a loved one.. died and we decided to clone him/her I really dont think the clone will really be just like the person we knew... not just outside but inside as well so thats CRAZY thats just DOWN RIGHT CRAZY!!!

Laughter · 04-16-2003, 12:26 AM

:madfawk: Anti-cloning :madfawk:

Marj · 04-16-2003, 08:06 AM

Isn't there anyone that is WITH cloning fer my sake?

Marj · 04-16-2003, 08:08 AM

Marj · 04-16-2003, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChelEler
That's just IMO. .

what the hell does IMO mean, eh?

LUNZ · 04-16-2003, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChelEler
Why am I against it? It's not God-made thing. It's almost like we're stealing God's plan or something like that. That's why I don't like to be cloned. I want to produce in God's way. If I lose His way of producing, I lose and try again in His way, not these people's way. That's just IMO. Thank you.

what about Cochlear Implants into ear? that is not God-made thing. All doctors in the rest of world, do that for experiement.

Tattoos, piecing, and more. Humankind made it not god. no make different.

ChelEler · 04-16-2003, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marj
what the hell does IMO mean, eh?

In My Opinion

ChelEler · 04-16-2003, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LUNZ
what about Cochlear Implants into ear? that is not God-made thing. All doctors in the rest of world, do that for experiement.

Tattoos, piecing, and more. Humankind made it not god. no make different.

Yes, you're right about these things aren't God's way. What I meant reproducing is making babies.

I have had a cochlear implant (surgeries four times) in my left ear, and that time I didn't realize that it's unnatural (I was only 16 years old). Now, I am not going to try again or anything like that. If other people are for it, I'm not going to go against them, because that's their decision, not mine. Also, it's a different feeling for me about cloning and manmade objects (not living thing).

I have tattoos and my ears are pierced twice (two holes in each ear). God made me this body, not man-made body. So I'm "decorating" my body. Do I make sense?

LUNZ · 04-16-2003, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by ChelEler
Yes, you're right about these things aren't God's way. What I meant reproducing is making babies.

I have had a cochlear implant (surgeries four times) in my left ear, and that time I didn't realize that it's unnatural (I was only 16 years old). Now, I am not going to try again or anything like that. If other people are for it, I'm not going to go against them, because that's their decision, not mine. Also, it's a different feeling for me about cloning and manmade objects (not living thing).

I have tattoos and my ears are pierced twice (two holes in each ear). God made me this body, not man-made body. So I'm "decorating" my body. Do I make sense?

Let God judge on you. you may go to hell or not. i think it's bullshit. anyway. your own body is your body, not god. that is fine. Doesnt matter clonin, tattoo and others. that is human made. Clonin the animals. that is fine, not human unless people want to from their own opinion then mind your business and mine, too.

ChelEler · 04-16-2003, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by LUNZ
Let God judge on you. you may go to hell or not. i think it's bullshit. anyway. your own body is your body, not god. that is fine. Doesnt matter clonin, tattoo and others. that is human made. Clonin the animals. that is fine, not human unless people want to from their own opinion then mind your business and mine, too.

True. There's nothing we can do to stop these people from what they want to do with cloning and stuff like that.

Maybe I can go and ask my pastor about how he thinks of cloning human. Hmm... something to think about...

LUNZ · 04-16-2003, 12:33 PM

pastor? i rather to listen my heart and mind than listen anybody's heart and mind or advise. nah, i dont think so. why? Each of human have different opinion and point of view. i rather on my own. i dont think paster can answer everything but your own answer. youself. i dont want to be fool.

ChelEler · 04-16-2003, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LUNZ
pastor? i rather to listen my heart and mind than listen anybody's heart and mind or advise. nah, i dont think so. why? Each of human have different opinion and point of view. i rather on my own. i dont think paster can answer everything but your own answer. youself. i dont want to be fool.

I would rather listen to my own self too, but I'm always curious about what this pastor has to say. You can say that I'm nosy too.

LUNZ · 04-16-2003, 12:38 PM

i bet, Pastor will always " that is wrong. that called sin"

that's it.

ChelEler · 04-16-2003, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LUNZ
i bet, Pastor will always " that is wrong. that called sin"

that's it.

Maybe, maybe not. There's several mohawks in this church I attend, and they dress themselves really odd and their hair are like spiked straight upward and COLORED! But they all act so friendly and very interactive with most church-goers, like me.

So, I don't know what this pastor's going to say next about cloning and stuff like that.

He's unpredictable.

Marj · 04-16-2003, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChelEler
In My Opinion

ooh thankiez

LUNZ · 04-16-2003, 12:43 PM

i dont care what he looks like or what he dress. it has nothing with his opinions, but only mind and heart.

04-14-2003, 10:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
Marj Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: My Bedroom Posts: 156	Cloning Issues: Pro or Con? hi again! I like to be a threadsetter! haha.. anyway.. here's my story: I'm in this quirky class--science, blah-- and they gave me an assignment on cloning... So far, so good. I've been doing research on religious beliefs on cloning.. most of them are "on the fence"-- it means they are not against it but they are not with it either.. just need more answers and facts. Now I'm bugged with this curiousity of what the Deaf world would say about cloning? Me, personally, I'm with it for stem cells research not human cloning-- don't we all have enough jocks, preps, or goths in the world, heh? So, I wanna know what -->YOU<-- think about it, not on your religious beliefs but from your perspective. If you want to know more about cloning, simply go http://www.humancloning.org/benefits.htm The page is on the benefits of cloning. So far I can't find direct drawbacks on it.. How interesting....

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Fly Free Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Roosted in the DC area! Posts: 9,101	my personal opinion is NO CLONING!!!!!!!! __________________ Enjoying life!

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*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 40.18, 58.41 Posts: 34,158	Here are the... Pros good for loved pets help keep animals from exinction could lead to organ cloning replacement body parts additional body parts (double penises or quadruple breasts, anyone?) Cons DNA match between good and bad person This is all I can think of at this moment. __________________ Check out my city... C L I C K H E R E! (If you've already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

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04-14-2003, 10:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
GoldenLeaf74 Guest Posts: n/a	I am very against Cloning sorry

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illustrator Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Benbrook Posts: 4,594	They will need to take my cell, in case I lost my part of body. But for cancer - it's not possible. Remmy what happen to doctor's wife in the movie 'Thirty Days" I think...

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javapride Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: hawaii Posts: 6,511	MAJORLY against cloning. Im my own person unqiue and weird i ll stay that way thank u very much !

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Marj Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: My Bedroom Posts: 156	Yes but WHY are you against it? WHY?!!??!

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kuifje75 Guest Posts: n/a	I am against clones. Everyone should be individuals and be different. We are given our own life to deal with, and we have the choice to do whatever we want to do with our lives. Cloning cells for body part harvesting sounds just too bizarre. "I cut my arm off!" "Oh no worries, you have a right arm in the catalogue." "Great, I'd like to order it and attach it ASAP! Is rush service available?" Ok, I know I am not making sense, but it just sounds a bit weird.

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Marj Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: My Bedroom Posts: 156	A arm from a catalog?!

04-15-2003, 08:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
Poyznive52899 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 8	I am gonna have to disagree with cloning.. its just inhuman... we should not "play God" I believe things happen for a reason.. no matter how hard it is to accept or how difficult it is to figure out and no matter all the why did this happen .. and all the ifs or whatever... I believe its all part of one Great Big Cycle. Theres a time to be born and a time to Die Period. And we should leave it that way!! Besides I really dont think if.. for example take a loved one.. died and we decided to clone him/her I really dont think the clone will really be just like the person we knew... not just outside but inside as well so thats CRAZY thats just DOWN RIGHT CRAZY!!!

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Laughter Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 255	:madfawk: Anti-cloning :madfawk:

04-16-2003, 08:06 AM	#17 (permalink)
Marj Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: My Bedroom Posts: 156	Isn't there anyone that is WITH cloning fer my sake?

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LUNZ Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 874	pastor? i rather to listen my heart and mind than listen anybody's heart and mind or advise. nah, i dont think so. why? Each of human have different opinion and point of view. i rather on my own. i dont think paster can answer everything but your own answer. youself. i dont want to be fool.

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LUNZ Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 874	i bet, Pastor will always " that is wrong. that called sin" that's it.

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LUNZ Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 874	i dont care what he looks like or what he dress. it has nothing with his opinions, but only mind and heart.