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Unread 12-23-2004, 05:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The slang "..raped.." - GOOD? BAD?

This question is burning as bad as it pissed me right off, because my relatives had been raped for some time ago.

So, do you think whether its good or bad to use the hurtful word "rape" as a fun, cool slang? YES OR NO?

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Unread 12-23-2004, 05:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Rape can also be referred to the refuse of grapes that are left after the juice is extracted. Also, it has a few different meaings...

For example, to plunder. Which would be referred to several websites being "raped". Therefore, you are misinterpreting it. It's an old word, and not a slang.

You could see somebody saying, "My house was raped last night" meaning that his house was robbed. Hope you understand, and please don't mistake it for the meaning of forcing a person to submit sex acts at all of the times.

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Unread 12-23-2004, 05:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I am sick and tired of people getting too uptight about certain words that have more than one meaning!!

P.C., my ass!
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Unread 12-23-2004, 05:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Rape can also be referred to the refuse of grapes that are left after the juice is extracted. Also, it has a few different meaings...

For example, to plunder. Which would be referred to several websites being "raped". Therefore, you are misinterpreting it. It's an old word, and not a slang.

You could see somebody saying, "My house was raped last night" meaning that his house was robbed. Hope you understand, and please don't mistake it for the meaning of forcing a person to submit sex acts.
I understand what you're trying pinpoint this issue, but as for people who have had bad experience wouldn't like to see the word 'rape' at all and it can be extremely sensitive to them especially for me and my family.

That shows people have misused the word 'rape' like robbed, etc.

If you or your family have been raped you're change your mind. Just like people love guns and suddenly they killed somebody and it changed their mind on guns for the rest of their lives (I love guns myself and never killed anyone before, but I can imagine that will impact my life as well).

Thanks for your information. Appreciate it!
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Unread 12-23-2004, 05:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I am sick and tired of people getting too uptight about certain words that have more than one meaning!!

P.C., my ass!
If you're sick of it - why bother and leave a message?!
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Unread 12-23-2004, 05:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Who the **** cares??? I was raped too a looooong time ago!! Do you see me cringe at the word: rape? Nooooo!

Duh, rape is not only about sexual violation, but has other meanings. Check your dictionary, or better yet, I'll bring the dictionary to you:

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noun - rape
1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.

verb - raped, rap·ing, rapes
1. To force (another person) to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse; commit rape on.
2. To seize and carry off by force.
3. To plunder or pillage.
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Unread 12-23-2004, 05:25 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Dang. I have not heard anyone using the word "raped" for a loss of something, whether through robbery or illicit means.
"I was raped of my wallet last night." Huh?
There are words in the dictionary that are not used much any more, let's be realistic. We do not use the "N" word any more.
Let's not be niggardly about it.
Jeez.
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Unread 12-23-2004, 05:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If you're sick of it - why bother and leave a message?!

I am sick of uneducated people jumping the gun at every "wrong" word.
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Unread 12-23-2004, 05:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If you or your family have been raped you're change your mind. Just like people love guns and suddenly they killed somebody and it changed their mind on guns for the rest of their lives (I love guns myself and never killed anyone before, but I can imagine that will impact my life as well).
There are people in my family who has been physically raped. I imagine most families has some people who has been sexually assaulted in a way or more. I can understand where you're coming from. The word, rape can be upsetting to a person due to a bad experience. But you have to understand that no words can be banned from either the USA or Canada. It is a fact that the word, rape has more than one meaning which is why we have been referring to a rape as a sexual assault instead more often to prevent confusion.

It's the same with guns, and it seem like you understand the logic of how people would get upset over a certain word. A word can flood a person's mind with bad memories, but we also have to learn self-control and move on. Easier said than done, I know. It's not easy to say it either.

But I do understand your concern, but there's really you can do about it except letting people know of your concerns. Sorry.
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Unread 12-23-2004, 05:37 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I am sick of uneducated people jumping the gun at every "wrong" word.
Uneducated?! Don't waste your time giving me more than one definition of rape. I know all of those definitions and you missed whole point here. Im talking about the MOST RECENT experience I've ever approached and that makes me pissed, but as for you Im sorry that happened to you long time ago. I understood your frustration as I am now. When I see this word (YOU KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT - IM NOT TALKING ABOUT BEING ROBBED OR ELSE!) 'rape' brings up flash backs or my relatives.

Please have a opened mind and understand what Im going through.
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.... The word, rape can be upsetting to a person due to a bad experience. But you have to understand that no words can be banned from either the USA or Canada....
I agree, but it can be distracting though...thanks for understanding.
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I don't often hear it as slang. There are only 2 things I've ever heard it used for...sexual assault...and being ripped off. 'I took my car to the mechanic and frickin' raped me....900 dollars for tires'. Something along those lines.
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Unread 12-23-2004, 07:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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So, do you think whether its good or bad to use the hurtful word "rape" as a fun, cool slang? YES OR NO?
No it is not good to use that word :rape: and I don't see it as a matter of fun or cool slang. Because, Rape is serious as sex without power.


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Dang. I have not heard anyone using the word "raped" for a loss of something
Indeed, I use the word much as "ripped off" or "robbed."
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Unread 12-23-2004, 08:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I dont really think that "rape" is really often used as a slang these days though just today most people refer that word "rape" as an sexual assault.

Of course, years ago "rape" didn't really mean anything like sexual assault until like today it does. I guess it's because the rape crimes were increasing these days. *sigh*

so yeah "rape" is a very serious word to use and it's not actually that funny to use it as a slang or whatever like that...but sometimes people use that word as a different meaning or whatever like that...

for example, a certain person showed me a nasty picture of a baby being circumized and I went "thanks for raping my mind!!" because that picture was digusting and that I would get nightmares of that stuff lol...so "rape" isn't always refered to sexual assault but most of the time it is anyway.

like Banjo said, there's nothing you can do about it unless you just let the people know you are concered about that word and they should be alittle more specific though.
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Unread 12-23-2004, 10:55 PM   #15 (permalink)
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You could see somebody saying, "My house was raped last night" meaning that his house was robbed. Hope you understand, and please don't mistake it for the meaning of forcing a person to submit sex acts at all of the times.
Banjo, that make strongly sense what the specific instance you told this.. because between "robbed" and "raped" I NEVER have thought that till along you got it is good point!! have nice christmax!
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Unread 12-24-2004, 09:40 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Banjo put it in better way and definition than I could have.
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Unread 12-29-2004, 04:30 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Slang is often used for humor or irreverence in place of a standard term.
Grapes that have been raped.
A town that has been raped.
A girl that has been raped.
A mind that has been raped.
these are not examples of Slang. These are example of the correct use of the word.

"n*gger" was used in a hurtful manner, to insult an entire group of individuals based on race.

"Retarded" is used with a negative connotation, to insult someone. Mocking individuals who are physically and mentally retarded.

"Cool" ... "Oh, that's 'cool'". Does not mean something is cold.

The value and seriousness of the word Rape has not been lost when used correctly.

However, if someone used the sentence:
"I feel Great! I feel Wonderful! I feel Raped!"
you are robbing the word of it's value and seriousness.

Many of my friends who are Black, do this with the word "n*gger"
"What's up my Nigga!?" is a phrase used to remove the words power, by the group that it was used against. It is a word that will never cross my lips except in technical discussions of launguage, such as this one. For I am ashamed, that the human species would be divided over such a simple thing as skin pigmentation.

Words are ways of expressing and evoking feelings. They can hurt.
Should we be careful about hurting others feelings? Yes.
Should we be super picky over every little word? No.

[added after post] - It has just come to my attention that it will not even let me spell the "N" word.
Censorship is a whole other issue I won't get into.

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Unread 12-29-2004, 04:39 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I dunno if its good or bad but to be honest I've heard ' rape ' being used for sexual assault that's it...

And for the others who used it for another example then it might be best to explain the person what you mean by using that word ' rape ' , maybe that could help without any misunderstanding being involved or thinking otherwise.....Just my personal opinion
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Unread 12-29-2004, 04:57 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Many of my friends who are Black, do this with the word "n*gger"
"What's up my Nigga!?" is a phrase used to remove the words power, by the group that it was used against. It is a word that will never cross my lips except in technical discussions of launguage, such as this one. For I am ashamed, that the human species would be divided over such a simple thing as skin pigmentation.
Actually, you're allowed to say "nigga"... but not with the "r" at the end. However, the sad thing is... many members here take "nigga" the wrong way and look at it as the word with "r" at the end. We used to have an emoticon/smilie saying "My Nigga!" that others use when saying "That's My Man!" or "You're Da Man!" Sadly, it was removed.
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Most of my friends, who are black, would take offense to someone white using the word "nigga". They tollerate me using it since I am the only white guy within the group, and any of our racial joking is meant with no disrespect to race at all. That stuff is kept strickly within that context of friendship.

It often comes down to context. And there is no context in which I would use the word "n*gger" other than in a debate over technical meaning.
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Unread 12-29-2004, 05:21 PM   #21 (permalink)
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DreamSlayer,

I agree with you as what you said above about using the word nigg**, that is something I wouldn't say and wouldn't dare use that word, cause once I do, black people would think I meant it as a racial, insult or being against them...Anyone could take that word in the wrong way such as taking the word ' rape ' in the wrong way too....

Sometimes we DO have to be careful when we use words that may offense others....

Got to be fair cause it goes both way in everything, some people see is differently and some don't....but that doesn't mean they're taken it personal or not seeing it the way some of you do.....
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I agree that we have to be fair, but, if I may I will disagree with you in one respect.

The word "N*gger" is meant for harm. It is not a word you can use correctly in a positive context. "N*gger" in essence is racist.
Some will argue that the deffinition is "ignorant person"
However, it is derived from the word Negro (which is no longer used for classification scientifically), and originally meant any black individual.
It was a derogatory name used for slaves. That is the deffinition you will find in most dictionaries.

"N*gger" is a noun, and is used as a (derogatory) label or name for an individual, or group of individuals.

"Rape" in the terms we are talking about is a verb. An action that takes place. Although I understand that the word itself may trigger serious emotions, it is not meant for harm, and no example has been provided that would demonstrate such.

Black people do not take "n*gger" in the wrong way.
At present time, there has been no examples of a context in which the word "Rape" could be taken the wrong way.
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Unread 12-29-2004, 06:09 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I understand but sometimes we DO have to look at from their view also, not everyone will think ' rape ' mean no harm but to them it does in someway, maybe they do not want to hear the word " rape " because it bring back memories of what had happened to them....

Like I said before, have to be caution when using words that may offense others even they mean no harm to them, but got to be fair on both views on this, cause not everyone thinks alike....

For example: if you use the word ' rape ' in whatever subject it may be, then you could add, ' oh I don't mean it that way as you think ' maybe that could help from misunderstanding what this person really mean by using the word ' rape '....just thought I would add that
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Here's an example of a line I don't think offends and I have used it many times: "Every month we go thru the rape of our wallets, courtesy of the utility company".....something like that.
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I think this is an issue that no one cares about until ONE person jumps in and makes a big deal out of it. It should have never been brought up in the first place.

I am the person who used the word "raped" in that way. I have been using it like that for years. It's a word that the AllDeaf community has used a lot as well. No one said a thing until one person jumped in on my mistake and made a big deal out of it. Now, everyone's jumping on me because I was wrong to use that word.
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Nah, Vamps, I wouldn't worry about it in the close confines of this forum; most of the world knows better. But since we are here, I think the use of that word calls for common sense. I use the word in different situations but I am not stupid enough to use it, for example, in a rape counselling session. LOL!
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I think this is an issue that no one cares about until ONE person jumps in and makes a big deal out of it. It should have never been brought up in the first place.

I am the person who used the word "raped" in that way. I have been using it like that for years. It's a word that the AllDeaf community has used a lot as well. No one said a thing until one person jumped in on my mistake and made a big deal out of it. Now, everyone's jumping on me because I was wrong to use that word.
Vampy,

Since this thread was created the day before Christmas eve, I have not seen any other thread that you used the word ' rape ' in, must have missed it, but the point is, no one is really jumping on you for doing so, cause I was the one who had no idea where this was coming from, beside the person who created this thread wasn't really pointed it at you , if so, he/she would have used your name as pointing directly at ya....

And I am not saying you were wrong for using that word, I am just being honest that some people might feel offened by it, that is all to it!

I hope this clear things up!

Another thing, is that why this person who created this thread is banned for this reason?, I hope not
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Vampy,

Since this thread was created the day before Christmas eve, I have not seen any other thread that you used the word ' rape ' in, must have missed it, but the point is, no one is really jumping on you for doing so, cause I was the one who had no idea where this was coming from, beside the person who created this thread wasn't really pointed it at you , if so, he/she would have used your name as pointing directly at ya....

And I am not saying you were wrong for using that word, I am just being honest that some people might feel offened by it, that is all to it!

I hope this clear things up!

Another thing, is that why this person who created this thread is banned for this reason?, I hope not
Actually, this person was already warned about his actions... so he stopped and created another name as if he was a whole new person. Therefore, he's abusing his priviledges here in AllDeaf.
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