Aluzky

Body language is defined as non-verbal communication (Nonverbal communication describes the process of conveying meaning in the form of non-word messages. Research shows that the majority of our communication is non verbal, also known as body language. - wikipedia)

Body language is processed by the eyes.

Verbal language AKA Oral communication (Oral communication, while primarily referring to spoken verbal communication, can also employ visual aids and non-verbal elements to support the conveyance of meaning -wikipedia)

Verbal language is processed by the eyes.

There is also tactile language, AKA braille which is processed by the skin.

So as you can see, there are many kinds of languages that are processed by different parts of the human body and depending of what part process the language, it gets different names, tactile language (skin) verbal language (ears) body language (eyes)

My questions is, is sign language body language?

Because the evidence I have see, support my belief that sign language is body language.

The way I see it is:
1-Body language is non-verbal communication.
2-Sign language is non-verbal communication.
3-Conclusion: Sing language is body language because it is not verbal nor tactile.

If you think I'm wrong, let me know and present any evidence that proves that sign language is not body language.

Deafness

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naisho

If this is for a course paper, your logic seems debatable enough to present some material for your instructor.
If you are looking to move on to the next level, I don't think the logic is well thought enough. It's kind of like saying:

1) Amphibians lay eggs and are aquatic.
2) Reptiles are cold blooded and can be aquatic.
3) A Platypus lays eggs, are not cold blooded, and are aquatic.

Therefore a Platypus is an amphibian?
No, that's incorrect.
While the logic seems like it can be used, the scope is too narrow and only focusing from a definition point of view, it needs to be expanded. A Platypus also has fur, is warm blooded creature and also posses milk. Those are also traits of a mammal.

Back to examining the differences between Sign and Body languages:
Sign Languages are a nonverbal communication methodology that eliminates the need for an orally spoken language. Instead of communicating through sound, we communicate through manual communication.

Body languages by itself, are nonverbal cues that can be generally understood by all humans regardless of what their native language is. There is no syntax, grammar in body language. To understand and use body languages, you generally don't need to take courses - it is learned passively while anyone is growing up, regardless of the language they communicate in.
You, me, everyone, we all know we don't need to go to school to realize someone is mad when they punch the table or they may be happy when they are smiling. Or why they seem nervous when you notice they are fidgeting. Or what it means when they hold up the middle finger with their arm poised up.

You DO have to go to school or be taught to communicate in verbal or sign languages. That's one major difference.

Finally, gestures are not a real language. There are no linguistics in the nature of using gestures if you point at something or hold up 1 finger. This is also similar as the reason given to body language, because there is no syntax, grammar, sentence structure, and other necessary components utilized in gesturing.

BoricuaChevere

Sign language is a visual/spatial language

Grummer

Sign language is an extremely advanced form of body language, it is not just a subtle sex or power games at play, it has been evolved to a much higher cognitive and social function , that is; into the realm of linguistic paradigms.

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Aluzky

[quote=naisho;2077103]
1) Amphibians lay eggs and are aquatic.
2) Reptiles are cold blooded and can be aquatic.
3) A Platypus lays eggs, are not cold blooded, and are aquatic.
Making a fallacious syllogism (your syllogism) Syllogistic fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Doesn't prove that my syllogism is fallacious.
All you did was prove that YOUR syllogism is fallacious and then claim that my syllogism is fallacious without presenting any evidence. You have not prove that my syllogism is fallacious at all.



Body language is the same, body language is non-verbal communication methodology that eliminates the need for an orally spoken language. Instead of communicating through sound, you communicate using parts of your body. (like your hands)

General but not always, body language is also understood only by some countries in different ways. Here have a read: International Body Language, Gestures & Manners: Don’t Be “That Guy!” | Taking off Travel blog


Assuming that sign language is not body language. Which you agree is a form of non-verbal communication. And non-verbal communication is now as???? Body language.


Same is true for verbal language and sign language, if everybody around you speaks sing language, eventually you will learn to speak sign language. Same way I learn my native verbal language without studding it.

You can learn that empirically or by school.

[QUOTE=naisho;2077103]You DO have to go to school or be taught to communicate in verbal or sign languages. That's one major difference./QUOTE] FALSE: Quote: "Researchers in Australia and overseas have looked at how deaf and hearing children learn sign languages, such as Auslan, American Sign Language (ASL) and British Sign Language (BSL). This research shows that deaf and hearing children will learn sign language naturally if their parents and other people around them use the language. They will learn sign language in the same way as other children learn spoken languages like English" source: How do children learn sign languages?

Aluzky

So it is body language.

Aluzky

So, you agree sing language is body language? Yes or NO?

naisho

Well, if I wanted to debate opinions with a rock in front of me that won't listen to what was said, I should've known better...

Jiro

what evidence is this?

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soutthpaw

Wiki is incorrect. but a mostly hearing culture uses an inaccurate term... Here is how to fix your thinking then ask yourself the same question.. Change Non-verbal to Non-linguistic...

Also Braille is not a language It is a tactile printed representation of spoken English. Same as SEE sign (was supposed to be) a manual representation of spoken English. Cued Speech is no a language, it is a Visual symbols used to represent certain sounds in spoken English language to assist with Lip Reading...

Grummer

and that is why in universities they will never give marks on information sourced from wikis, because it is unreliable

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Reba

No.

And reading isn't eyeball language.

And speaking isn't tongue, mouth, and larynx language.

Languages aren't identified by the body parts that are used but by the symbols and arrangement of symbols that are used.

Following your reasoning:

1. Verbal language is oral communication.
2. Grunts, snorts, sighs, screams, etc., are oral communication.
3. Conclusion: Grunts, snorts, sighs, screams, etc., are verbal language.



BTW, in your #3--have you never heard of tactile signing? Sign language can be tactile, so there goes your theory. (Unless you really meant "Sing" language.)

I want credit on your paper.

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Reba

Last time I checked, the mouth and ears were also part of the body, so I guess that makes oral communication a body language, too.

rockin'robin

Went to school with a girl and whenever she signed, she also moved her body along while talking....I loved it!...could never master it tho'....Was as if she was an actress and her signing was ever "so flowing"....She would even sort of stomp her foot to get a point across (not to get ur attention), but to make her point.....so interesting to watch. And much better than the "frigid" look while signing, she was very expressive!

LoveBlue

(^ body language or sign language?)

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Tousi

Who let this guy loose?

Frisky Feline

lets game for a body language game.

Grummer

what body language game?
the most famous one is called - getting sex- well no, its universally known as "The Game of Sex"
LOL

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Grummer

yah, i know what you mean, those rare types with a talent, that talent is very moving and entertaining, makes conversation so much fun, its like a signing equalvalent of those well with REALLY well versed spoke words that speaks like Pro on TV or Opera singers , i mean those types of people are also excellent marathon runner - why? BIG LUNGS _ THEY have extraordinarily strong lungs, just like some of us might have long arms, strong legs, or strong back or excellent eyesights, and so on, not really freaks of nature just variety, and some lucky to use, and sadly many dont or dont realise it, OR even dont know HOW...

but yup Im sure its beautiful to watch those with swayying body language with that intutive flow and well time snaps and stomp- clever people!!

wish more deafes would do that, but then again, it would be seriously mistaken for the Deaf Gay and lesiban club or the Deaf Drama school LOL

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Frisky Feline

Lol isnt it awesome to have body language? Lol keeep dreaming.

dogmom

Grumm!

Lau2046

By this definition, the same case could be made for Italian or Spanish....because neither language is understood just verbally....

DeafBadger

Sorry, I thought that was funny. Carry on.

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Reba

Or featherless chickens?