WWIII has begin?

Reba said:
The cease fire period--have we attacked N. Korea yet?

Or are you referring to the propaganda?

Do you understand the nature and methods of propaganda?
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about the regime not buckling. We won Cold War. We can win it again and we didn't even fight.
 
Reba said:
Is this what you refer to?

"The US army is training a crack unit to seal off and snatch back Pakistani nuclear weapons in the event that militants, possibly from inside the country’s security apparatus, get their hands on a nuclear device or materials that could make one.

The specialised unit would be charged with recovering the nuclear materials and securing them."

Where is the attribution? Who said that? Did the reporter just make it up?
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Plausible Deniability.

Reba said:
I'm trying to figure out the connection you're attempting to make.

Futile in what sense for each country?
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to win their hearts and minds. did we fail at it?
 
Jiro said:
about the regime not buckling. We won Cold War. We can win it again and we didn't even fight.
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N. Korea's communist regime has not buckled since the cease fire began, so how is any further restraint going to cause them to buckle?

We succeeded in the Cold War against the USSR but it wasn't by backing down to Soviet threats. Do you remember the Berlin Airlift, the Cuban Crisis, Reagan's Berlin Wall speech, MAD, etc.? The times that the Soviets backed down were the times that we flexed our muscles and stood firm. It wasn't when we let them get their way. The times that we "restrained" ourselves, they took advantage of our weakness.

Have our decades of restraint caused China or Cuba to buckle and reject their communist regimes?

We're straying from the current Korean topic.
 
Jiro said:
Plausible Deniability.
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You're not answering my question.

"Where is the attribution? Who said that? Did the reporter just make it up?"

The reporter does not say what or who was her source. For all we know, she just made it up. That's not good reporting.


to win their hearts and minds. did we fail at it?
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Overall, yes. In limited areas, on one-to-one situations, we were successful.

Study: Few Afghans Know About 9/11, Reason for War | CommonDreams.org
 
Reba said:
N. Korea's communist regime has not buckled since the cease fire began, so how is any further restraint going to cause them to buckle?
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how would you know? We all know it's on the verge of collapse.

Reba said:
We succeeded in the Cold War against the USSR but it wasn't by backing down to Soviet threats. Do you remember the Berlin Airlift, the Cuban Crisis, Reagan's Berlin Wall speech, MAD, etc.? The times that the Soviets backed down were the times that we flexed our muscles and stood firm. It wasn't when we let them get their way. The times that we "restrained" ourselves, they took advantage of our weakness.

Have our decades of restraint caused China or Cuba to buckle and reject their communist regimes?

We're straying from the current Korean topic.
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we're not straying from topic. It's all related to how it can buckle NK's communist regime. We never retaliated nor attacked during Cold War, didn't we? and against China too, didn't we? and Cuba? Not a single war.

beside - we already retaliated back. what more do you want? Korean War II? Easy for you to say that we should retaliate back when you're 7,000 miles away from North Korea while our families are within eye sight of NK's missile strikes in Seoul.

We must exercise with extreme restraint and UN Secretary General Ban (South Korean too) is suggesting same. We both fear for our birth country and our people.
 
Reba said:
You're not answering my question.

"Where is the attribution? Who said that? Did the reporter just make it up?"

The reporter does not say what or who was her source. For all we know, she just made it up. That's not good reporting.
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She wouldn't be a good reporter if she gave up her source.

Reba said:
Overall, yes. In limited areas, on one-to-one situations, we were successful.

Study: Few Afghans Know About 9/11, Reason for War | CommonDreams.org
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:thumb:
 
a reply from my dad (don't mind his English)

Here a lot of tension exist after North Korea's bombing.
It looks a political action rather than a real threat.
So the rest of life is peaceful amid a concern of uncertainty..
The past regimes of Korea for 8 years had a policy of getting friendly to North Korea for peaceful solutions. During this period, the Korea army has been weakened and relaxed.
The current regime observes conservertism and has been strengthening the military power against the North Korea. But it is still vulnerable and not well prepared.
Now the Korea ramps up the miliary investment against the North. It will take time.
The joint military practice with the Korea and the US in the largest scale starts tomorrow. The North keeps threating against this practice. So a tension is stepping up.
Anyhow don't worry much about the situation here.
It should be okay.

dad
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Jiro said:
how would you know? We all know it's on the verge of collapse.



we're not straying from topic. It's all related to how it can buckle NK's communist regime. We never retaliated nor attacked during Cold War, didn't we? and against China too, didn't we? and Cuba? Not a single war.

beside - we already retaliated back. what more do you want? Korean War II? Easy for you to say that we should retaliate back when you're 7,000 miles away from North Korea while our families are within eye sight of NK's missile strikes in Seoul.

We must exercise with extreme restraint and UN Secretary General Ban (South Korean too) is suggesting same. We both fear for our birth country and our people.
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In bold, what about Vietnam War?
 
Jiro said:
what do you think how did we do in Vietnam War?
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to fought against North Vietnam and protect South Vietnam from fell to communist but we failed and North Vietnam tookover South Vietnam then reunified into one Vietnam.
 
Jiro said:
a reply from my dad (don't mind his English)
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Thanks for sharing that with us Jiro. As you may recall, I have a friend whom was a S. Korean Military Intelligence Officer. We lost contact years ago.

It was his job to photograph evidence of these skirmishes. Some were made public, others were not.

When my father had his construction business, he hired someone who is now a LEO in Tampa. However, when he was in the Army, he served in S. Korea. He told me stories about his experiences there. One of them, I will never forget. They found tunnels every day. North Korea has bided their time, they will always plan to invade S. Korea. These "tunnels" were made for tanks.

I have an uncle who was in the Air force and was also stationed in S. Korea. His experiences were similar. I also have been babysat (and still know) Korean War veterans. They have all patiently awaited China's response. Now, China has given their response.

Anyways, the rhetoric concerning what China has said is clear to me. They have picked a side and it isn't us.


edit: However, I am not too worried about China. It is very telling that we are better at capturing their spies than they are at capturing ours ;)
 
Steinhauer said:
Thanks for sharing that with us Jiro. As you may recall, I have a friend whom was a S. Korean Military Intelligence Officer. We lost contact years ago.

It was his job to photograph evidence of these skirmishes. Some were made public, others were not.

When my father had his construction business, he hired someone who is now a LEO in Tampa. However, when he was in the Army, he served in S. Korea. He told me stories about his experiences there. One of them, I will never forget. They found tunnels every day. North Korea has bided their time, they will always plan to invade S. Korea. These "tunnels" were made for tanks.

I have an uncle who was in the Air force and was also stationed in S. Korea. His experiences were similar. I also have been babysat (and still know) Korean War veterans. They have all patiently awaited China's response. Now, China has given their response.

Anyways, the rhetoric concerning what China has said is clear to me. They have picked a side and it isn't us.
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tunnels were found and closed. There are definitely more tunnels to be found. China has historically sided with NK but exercised with caution.

China's wiser than us when it comes to foreign matter. We do not get to tell the Chinese what to do or what not to do because they have over 5,000 years of history. Who are we to lecture to them when we are a child to them?

Therefore, the relationship between the two countries is to enhance mutual understanding, promote interpersonal communication major step forward in the direction. Because that is the ultimate key to bilateral relations. And this relationship is built between the two peoples on both sides of the cultural background and the difference between the two sides have to understand the foundation. The American people, they need to understand is that China has five thousand years of history, cultural background and social experience. As a new generation of country the United States, you need to seek its founding document of their country. For example, describes in detail the rights and freedoms of the United States "Constitution" that the U.S. retained the longest, and continuing to use the rule tool. I hope my Chinese friends can understand the American people are unique, that is, people of both countries need to build a cultural bridge.

-Jon Huntsman, former Utah Governor and US Ambassador to China
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Steinhauer said:
edit: However, I am not too worried about China. It is very telling that we are better at capturing their spies than they are at capturing ours ;)
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you sure? they've been able to successfully steal quite a handful of our military secrets. makes you wonder why we're still working with China :dizzy:
 
Jiro said:
you sure? they've been able to successfully steal quite a handful of our military secrets. makes you wonder why we're still working with China :dizzy:
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we "probably" have 10 spies watching them steal our "secrets".

When we stopped them from stealing our secrets, they "accidentally" clipped one of our planes and demanded an apology which they never received.

But yes, 5,000 years of history but we landed on the moon in less than 200 years. So much for wisdom.

Tianemann Square wasn't wise in my humble opinion. Those students that gave their lives to protest were the wisest ones.
 
Steinhauer said:
we "probably" have 10 spies watching them steal our "secrets".

When we stopped them from stealing our secrets, they "accidentally" clipped one of our planes and demanded an apology which they never received.

But yes, 5,000 years of history but we landed on the moon in less than 200 years. So much for wisdom.

Tianemann Square wasn't wise in my humble opinion. Those students that gave their lives to protest were the wisest ones.
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so we had the technology to land on moon.... and yet we still can't fix our traffic jam? CC in internet tv? bullet trains? social issues? poverty?

yea so much for wisdom.

beside - you missed the point. I said foreign policy... not technological advancement. major difference. what does landing on moon has to do with foreign policy?
 
Jiro said:
so we had the technology to land on moon.... and yet we still can't fix our traffic jam? CC in internet tv? bullet trains? social issues? poverty?

yea so much for wisdom.

beside - you missed the point. I said foreign policy... not technological advancement. major difference. what does landing on moon has to do with foreign policy?
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Well - we were competing with the commies then too right?

That "could" be considered a result of our foreign policy with communist nations.
 
Steinhauer said:
Well - we were competing with the commies then too right?
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quiz for you - who specifically were we competing with?

Steinhauer said:
That "could" be considered a result of our foreign policy with communist nations.
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not really. might be better for you to come up with facts instead of theories that exist only in your head.
 
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