Why are deaf people against those with hearing learning asl?

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  1. DeafNerdMommy

    DeafNerdMommy Well-Known Member

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    Years ago, whem i only have modorate hearing loss, I had a guest when I worked at Carl's Jr who was deaf. I saw them staring at the menu and writing stuff down. I was helping another person and had no way of telling them I signed. When they came up he signed he was deaf and I told him I sign. He had just spent 5 minutes writing down his order. I told him I will take the card if he wanted but he tore it up and signed. He was so happy, told me I was the first person he had actually talked to that day. On my break I went out and talked to him somemore. I understand how hard it is to write everything down.
     
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    I worked at an Unos when I still lived in Baltimore and there was always a gentleman who came in who was deaf. I hadn't decided on becoming an interpreter at this time but I would practice sign now and again; he had asked for a mountain dew and I misunderstood him and brought him the wrong thing. I remember how mad he got and I signed "sorry" and corrected his order. At the time I didn't understand why he got so angry, and the only conclusion I could come up with at the time was maybe he thought I was mocking him? Keep in mind my signing was VERY poor at the time.
     
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    You are such a sweetheart for doing that. :)
     
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    I think, you got a grumpy customer. :) Keep up the good work. :)
     
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    I actually hope you're right and he was lol
     
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    keep practicing with your signing while you are in the bathroom, shower, eating alone and driving (watch yourself on the road!)
     
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    ^^ good ideas. I once had an AOL friend who would practice cued speech (her son was about 2 at the time... and yes they knew some ASL too) everywhere... including at the supermarket (still remember watching her do that lol).
     
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    Meh, I was into German at aged 10, but I no longer am that into it. I personally think that in the U.S., all languages other than English are 'fads'. I took mandatory Spanish classes though I do not remember all the basics.

    It's kind of like African American Vernacular English. It was cool in the 1990's, but just plain 'broken english' and not widely tasteful these days.

    This post reminded me, do most Deaf people have less respect for those who speak other (oral or written) languages like that? Do most of them speak English? Do most of them find oral English too complicated to interpret? If not, do they always ask hearing people to speak slowly since hearing people might be fast talkers? I'm new to this site and hearing, but I'm interested in different cultures (Deaf or non-Deaf).
     
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    Well, they 'make' it like english because ASL is based on English wording, hence U.S. Deaf schools teach (greatly American) English, and hence most American Deaf people read in English. You can't even compare making ASL like English to making Wolof like English because the Wolof wording is different from English wording, despite them both being written in Latin alphabet. It doesn't matter that Wolof is also sometimes written in Arabic alphabet.

    Anyway, for the above reason, people thus think English is simply a written language, rather than an explicably oral one. Certain (spoken) languages were/still are not written because of lacking [neo]colonialism.
     
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    They feel as if they're being colonized. It's similar to Afro-Jamaicans being offended by white people speaking Patois, though I have not come across that feeling. However, I think speaking another language is appreciation, not imperialism.

    I can't compare their feeling to how native Americans felt when white people made their religious/cultural objects fashionable, because native American religions/cultures are almost extinct, to the point where they are hardly recognized. As a result, they'd be glad to have more white people speaking the indigenous language. Plus, you have American Deaf organizations dominating foreign countries with ASL.

    ASL also benefits hearing kids with communicative disorders since ASL makes it easier for them to excel in communication.
     
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    I have never heard of that. As far as I can tell, Deaf people encourage learning ASL.
     
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    CADAVIS- I am sorry you have has some resistance. I think it is great that you are learning, and even more so that you are doing it so you can communicate with your brother! I hope you don't let any negative reactions stop you, you have one of the best reasons to be learning and are a part of the signing community. Why do some Deaf people react that way- I think you hit it right with your comment, some feel a sense of pride- language is critical for Deaf culture and ASL has a long hard history of being repressed, forbidden, mocked and marginalized. I know some people who feel put off when hearing people try to learn because it feels stolen, but that is a small group. As an example, Baby Signs is a program (or book, or DVD?) that encourages hearing parent of hearing babies to use rudimentary signs to encourage early linguistic development. While that should be fine, many Deaf people are victims of language deprivation because of myths and biases about allowing deaf or hard of hearing babies having access to ASL (myth:"they can't learn English if they learn ASL", "they will never speak if they can rely on ASL", "they need a 'real' language, and ASL isn't", etc). So the idea that hearing people can casually learn sign and benefit while deaf and hard of hearing people are systematically held back from it is a very real frustration for lots of people. But again, not everyone! I love it when hearing people can sign (or even fingerspelling) because it provides communication access. The only time I get frustrated is when someone says "oh I know sign language", and then doesn't use it (or makes it up!). But that isn't a 'hearing' thing, thats just rudeness :) Please continue to learn, and if you run into someone with that attitude the best thing to do is show that you are trying, or politely ignore the negativity. Your brother, I am sure, will not have this attitude :)
     
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    Because theyre assholes. I am late deafened and still get that from some and I am "learning" asl myself.
     
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