I think Jiro mean that you and other hearing people want the deaf children to get CI to hear the sounds and listening if that is what you were referring to as spoken language and oral skills as perfect like a robot. We are only human and we are not perfect ever. So that you mean CI children must be fluent in listening and spoken language. Don't criticize us for saying that we have to use spoken language and listening whether hearing aids or CIs. It has been going on for a very long time which hearing authorities have been trying to teach us in orals skills and saying in oral language. This just turn us off right off the bat. That is why we have a hard time arguing with you about this being fluent or not getting what you are saying. You are not making any sense every time you claim that you have been using the signs with your daughter and involve in the Deaf community. We are not sure what you are trying to prove as saying that CI is a miracle for them to hear and listen. CI is just a tool that make the deaf children hear better but not really one hundred percent hearing at all. You can say no for all I care if you insisted that we are wrong. Well, I gotta go.